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Mr Moon
05-07-2022, 06:45 PM
Staff ReportYour BYOND Key
mistermoon Date of Incident
May 7, 2022 Your Character Name?
brandon 'tribesman' cox Their BYOND Key
time_urss Approximate time and date of the incident
19:20 Which Staff Protocols (https://cm-ss13.com/forums/showthread.php?5-Staff-Ranks-Code-of-Conduct-and-Protocols) were broken
Preserve the RP and enjoyment of the server
Determine the bare minimum punishment. Description of the incident
so i was CL and was assisting research in their efforts to make greenos, hijack comes and we lose research which is where the infected monkey is, the xenos kill it but we are able to push back to the body
a marine comes along and for no reason just starts bayoneting the body, i and the major tell him to stop but he continues and so i had killed him with a spear

my reasoning is because if he causes the monkey to perma, we would be severely be down in manpower without a queen on our side, queens can easily make up 15 marines with how strong they are and this marine is sabootaging our efforts

now from an in character point of view, imagine putting an operations worth of research infront of you eyes and have it destroyed, inciting anger from their actions including the confusion and nature of the situation that is occuring, it would be enough to make you not care about you actions

i personally feel like this could have been an exceptional circumstance with the lives of all marines on board at stake and also that the major was in the room and he had a gun in hand, disarming him may have been more dangerous also considering how both the exceptional circumstances examples are much less than effectively killing a killing machine on the marines side even after being told not to by the major Evidence
logs What resolution are you seeking?
just the note removed

ThesoldierLLJK
05-07-2022, 09:07 PM
Logs

Attack logs, note there are no logs of monkey attack cause they're not saved.


2022/05/07: [18:13:15]SAY: Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox [1]: FUCK (CKEY: MisterMoon) (JOB: Corporate Liaison)
2022/05/07: [18:13:17]SAY: Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox [1]: NO (CKEY: MisterMoon) (JOB: Corporate Liaison)
2022/05/07: [18:13:19]SAY: Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox [1]: DONT (CKEY: MisterMoon) (JOB: Corporate Liaison)
2022/05/07: [18:13:23]SAY: Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox [1]: FUCKING (CKEY: MisterMoon) (JOB: Corporate Liaison)
2022/05/07: [18:13:25]ATTACK: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox) attacked /(Eugene Wells) with spear (Wielded) (INTENT: GRAB) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Medical Research containment (155,156,4).
2022/05/07: [18:13:27]ATTACK: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox) attacked /(Eugene Wells) with spear (Wielded) (INTENT: GRAB) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Medical Research containment (155,154,4).
2022/05/07: [18:13:28]ATTACK: /(Eugene Wells) was hit by a the spear, thrown by MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox) in the Medical Research containment cells (158,154,4).
2022/05/07: [18:13:33]SAY: Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox [1]: IDIOT (CKEY: MisterMoon) (JOB: Corporate Liaison)


Ahelp sent


2022/05/07: [18:14:51]ADMIN: HELP: /(Eugene Wells): Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox killed me for no fucking good reason - heard by 5 non-AFK staff.


Ghost chat from victim

2022/05/07: [18:27:40]SAY: Ghost/ : retarded cl ruined my whole round by killing me for stabbing a dead monkey
2022/05/07: [18:28:52]SAY: Ghost/ : i fucking die for 2 spear hits and 1 trow how tf is this even possible
2022/05/07: [18:29:35]SAY: Ghost/ : and my body was fucking ignored by 2 men
2022/05/07: [18:29:41]SAY: Ghost/ : only fucking looted
2022/05/07: [18:31:12]SAY: Ghost/ : cringe scree


Mod/Mistermoon Conversation


2022/05/07: [18:16:41]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): Ey. Would you mind explaining why you stabbed Eugene Wells with a spear?
2022/05/07: [18:17:15]ADMIN: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones) jumped to MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox) in the Upper Fore-Starboard Hull (97,174,4).
2022/05/07: [18:17:18]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): because the monkey containing the greeno larva had died, we had said not to attack it and he had procceeded to knife it 5 times
2022/05/07: [18:17:35]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): And your course of action was to murder him?
2022/05/07: [18:17:50]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): my action was to protect our last hope
2022/05/07: [18:18:34]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): And so you broke a rule while doing so. You already have 1 note and 1 ban for IE.
022/05/07: [18:18:46]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): could i ask
2022/05/07: [18:19:06]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): this feels like a situation where it would be reasonable
2022/05/07: [18:19:26]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): Murdering someone for having killed an infected monkey? Not at all.
2022/05/07: [18:19:41]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): since marines are dying, and our last hope of survival is on the floor and a marine is stabbing it even after told not to
2022/05/07: [18:19:54]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): At utmost, stopping him nonlethally would have been the right course. But straight murdering him is not.
2022/05/07: [18:20:03]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): could you please understand
2022/05/07: [18:20:30]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): could you please consider this to be an exception
2022/05/07: [18:20:34]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): A larva isn't a last hope at all. It's as weak as a round-end drone after a marine stomp.
2022/05/07: [18:21:06]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): its more than a larva its an entire queen
2022/05/07: [18:21:24]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): A young queen?
2022/05/07: [18:21:50]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): its still a large impact being able to start up an entire hive
2022/05/07: [18:22:00]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): Still doesn't justify it, man. It's not justified to kill someone over a larva.
2022/05/07: [18:22:18]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): yes but multiple people said not to attack it including the major
2022/05/07: [18:22:37]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): he could have ruined our entire chances of having a queen
2022/05/07: [18:23:11]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): In that case, you deal with it following escalation. Not straight out murder him.
2022/05/07: [18:24:17]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): in character we have risked our lives for the queen having entire moments where we almost died
2022/05/07: [18:24:32]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): and 1 marine is ruining it as we stand there
2022/05/07: [18:25:00]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): i ask that you consider this an exception and in future i will handle it better
2022/05/07: [18:25:10]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): Look. I will consider a 3 hour ban just as you did have a reason to do it. Remember that you have several notes of IE and next time it happens it will end with a longer ban.
2022/05/07: [18:25:47]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): im trying to get synth, could you please consider it an exception
2022/05/07: [18:25:59]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): I can't overlook it pal.
2022/05/07: [18:26:19]ADMIN: PM: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones)->MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox): You had several choices to stop him and you straight out went for murder.
2022/05/07: [18:26:46]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): in the rules though there are examples where skipping ie for much less thigns are an exception
2022/05/07: [18:27:19]ADMIN: PM: MisterMoon/(Brandon 'Tribesman' Cox)->Time_URSS/(Noah Jones): like a single spot on an escape pod, and this man is trying to ruin the marine chances

2022/05/07: [18:29:00]ADMIN: Time_URSS/(Noah Jones) has edited mistermoon's notes: Banned by timeurss|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: Rule 10, Improper Escalation - Killed a fellow marine with no escalation followed at all. Player says they did it because the marine killed a monkey with a corrupted larva. Told them to consider following escalation procedures next time. Was very apologetic.

DukeofCagliostro
05-07-2022, 10:09 PM
I was witness to the monkey killing. Marines were indeed pressed. That Greeno could have saved us.

Tez
05-07-2022, 10:24 PM
So I was on at the time and advising Time through the ahelp, might as well throw my opinion in. I seriously doubt ONE greeno who's not even bound to be friendly btw, would save the marines, especially because no other monkeys were infected. You arguing it was an extreme situation imo is not valid, for the reason I just stated, one greeno would not decide the fate of the round.

Mr Moon
05-07-2022, 10:29 PM
even if there wasnt enough time for a hive, the 1 queen may have been enough to win us the round, ive seen queen vs xeno combat and they absolutely merk xenos considering the worst fate to a xeno is a stun so i dont personally agree with your idea of 1 xeno isnt enough, and like duke said, marines were under alot of pressure from xenos and could lose at any moment, the greeno was our only way to get a secured victory and the player had directly sabootaged our efforts to achieve it

ScarletReign
05-08-2022, 05:43 AM
After reviewing, I am of the opinion that Time_URSS was correct in the call that the 'Exceptional Circumstances' clause does not apply here. The CL was not under attack or in immediate danger from the individual they killed. During Hijack, there is risk of imminent death for everyone, but the increased global risk doesn't let one bypass escalation rules based on a threat in the abstract. (In this case, that recovering and restoring the dead infected monkey would make the CL and marines safer.)

Report is denied.