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    unk - Rule 10

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    TwoJoints

    Date of Incident
    May 18, 2022

    Your Character Name?
    Simon Bobrovski

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    unk

    Accused Character Name
    Jacoby Marshall

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    5/18/2022 around 8:30 AM CST

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 10

    Description of the incident:
    I was crew chief on the Alamo on the surface. Jacoby was a marine on the Alamo wanting to go back to the Almayer. He was the only marine on the Alamo, and the PO that flew me down was running around and not on the ship, so I couldn't just leave him there. I started radioing the PO for an ETA.

    After a few minutes, Jacoby got impatient and shot an explosive in the Alamo, killing me instantly.

    I instantly reported to Adminhelp, but the response was very delayed (not complaining about that, there was only 1 admin on at the time).

    After I was brought back, I demaned he be arrested by the MPs, and when I left medbay he followed me with a knife. I pulled my knife and we had a knife fight which I won.


    Afterwards, the admin decided to AHEAL Jacoby and warn me.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Sgt Seth Harazuka [Bravo (SL)] says, "Brad"
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Yo."
    Capt Matt Krisher [Delta (XO)] says, "Save the grenades for spec please sl"
    PFC Avalona A.W. Saber [Req (CT)] says, "Put crates on Alamo"
    Sgt Seth Harazuka [Bravo (SL)] says, "Whats the word on gustavo"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski asks, "PO eta?"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski [Command (DCC)] asks, "PO eta?"
    Jacoby A. Marshall points to Simon Bobrovski
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Well from what he said."
    LCpl Tia 'tea' Time [JTAC (Bravo Spc)] says, "We lost alpha spec"
    Sgt Jonas 'Thirsty' Ward [Delta (SL)] says, "SPEC GET HETRE"
    Cpl Sean 'Blaze' Halkias [Req (Bravo RTO)] says, "Empty crate on the Alamo. Told you."
    Sgt Vladimir 'Tsar' Petrov [Alpha (SL)] says, "Nevermind, found them, they are dead in APC"
    Sgt Jonas 'Thirsty' Ward [Delta (SL)] says, "TO ME"
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "There is only one pilot."
    LCpl Dennis Cook [Engi (Bravo ComTech)] says, "Gonna get more metal then add another line to north nexus."
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "I assume he's fine and doing somethign stupid."
    Capt Matt Krisher [Delta (XO)] says, "SPEC CAVE ETRNACCE NOW, grenades for you"
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "And he is running CAS."
    1stLt Mitchell Rockwell [Command (CE)] says, "I'd like to nominate Bravo Squad Tech Dennis Cook for a medal"
    Jacoby A. Marshall buckles in!
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "A pilot flew me down here, Marine"
    PFC Gustavo 'Thumb' Sybila [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Hey brad"
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Yo."
    1stLt Mitchell Rockwell [Command (CE)] says, "They've been instrumental in helping to establish the FOB defense"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "Dont argue with ME"
    PFC Gustavo 'Thumb' Sybila [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Seth wants to know how i look with the face paint off."
    LCpl Steve 'Chompa' Mann [JTAC (Charlie SG)] says, "FIRE ON MY LASE"
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "Bro."
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Uh oh."
    PMC. OPR. Keagan Hynes [Delta] says, "GL"
    Sgt Vladimir 'Tsar' Petrov [Command (Alpha SL)] asks, "Captain, are you copying?"
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "Just do a cycle."
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Don't ask that Seth."
    1stLt Mitchell Rockwell [Command (CE)] says, "It'd be half the size it is now without em'"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "I can't"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "BRUH"
    LCpl Steve 'Chompa' Mann [Charlie (SG)] says, "GOD"
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "Bruh."
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "It's better to not let that man see himself in a mirror."
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "Ask for the pilot."
    PFC Brad Ward [Bravo (RFN)] says, "Also tunnel west nexus."
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall says, "If you can do cycle."
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "I've been asking for the pilot"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "Quit your whining marine"
    Capt Matt Krisher [Command (XO)] says, "No medals today but it will be ntoed"
    LCpl Zeke Campos [Delta (Spc)] says, "Blessed be"
    Sgt Simon Bobrovski says, "You're boring."
    LCpl Zeke Campos [Delta (Spc)] says, "Sadar where"
    Capt Matt Krisher [Command (XO)] asks, "What is it SL?"
    Jacoby A. Marshall points to the floor
    The metal rod is shaped into metal by Dennis Cook with the weldingtool.
    Sgt Vladimir 'Tsar' Petrov [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "Captain, why are you just ignoring me"
    Simon Bobrovski has grabbed Jacoby A. Marshall passively!
    PFC Jacoby A. Marshall screams!
    2
    Jacoby A. Marshall slams into the Wey-Med Plus!
    You notice you can't hear anything... you're deaf!
    Simon Bobrovski slams into the Alamo!
    The wound on your right leg widens with a nasty ripping noise.
    Your right hand hurts badly.
    ...You almost hear someone talking...
    2
    ...You hear something about...you
    ...You almost hear someone talking...
    3
    ...You almost hear someone talking...
    2
    ... You can almost hear someone talking ...
    Phelan cries out in pain!
    Sgt Seth Harazuka talks but you cannot hear them.
    PFC Kennedy Campbell cries out in pain!
    3
    PFC Issac Mills cries out in pain!
    Unknown roars!
    DEAD: Jacoby A. Marshall (F) says, "FUCK YOU FOR NOT CYCLING"
    1stLt Mai 'Jyn' Trin talks but you cannot hear them.
    Capt Matt Krisher talks but you cannot hear them.
    PFC Kennedy Campbell talks but you cannot hear them.
    Simon Bobrovski has died to chemical explosion at the Almayer Dropship 1 from Jacoby A. Marshall

    What resolution are you seeking?
    Would really like some clarification to admins/players on properly escalated violence vs metagaming/rule 10 violation. And maybe not aheal the rule breaker...

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    I need to put this part on its own so everyone sees it - just in case anyone thinks he didnt do it on purpose:


    Right after killing me:
    DEAD: Jacoby A. Marshall (F) says, "FUCK YOU FOR NOT CYCLING"

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    This is for Reference for who takes the logs or If I end up taking them

    incident Starting time: 2022/05/18: [13:12:56]


    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Smokey_Ryder/(Jacoby A. Marshall)
    Retired CSM Jonathon 'Ghost' Granger


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    Logs will be posted within 24 - 72 hours.
    Retired CSM Jonathon 'Ghost' Granger


    Discord Jonathongun#0219

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    Logs for the incident

    Pulled Logs, A Verdict from an Admin or Above will be issued
    We thank you for your patience.


    Date of Incident
    May 18, 2022

    Your Byond ID?
    TwoJoints

    Your Character Name?
    Simon Bobrovski


    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Smokey_Ryder

    Accused Character Name
    Jacoby A. Marshall




    Brief dialoge with marine about pilot

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    Asking The PO for an ETA

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    In character discussion over the pilot (between Simon Bobrovski and Jacoby A. Marshall).

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    Combat logs

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    Ahelp

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    Request MP's to intervene

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    The knife Fight

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    Meets a MP and explains the situation
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    Smokey_RyderGhost chat which he expresses anger and intent to blow up the Alamo then perma TwoJoints/(Simon Bobrovski)

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    Admin intervenes "will get the Admin's Ckey if requested but

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    Jacoby A. Marshall Tells a Mp what happned on his account

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    Combat logs

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    Then the MPs Arrest TwoJoints/(Simon Bobrovski) and Jacoby A. Marshall after the Knife Stabbing "Will get these logs if requested but it will be easier to sum it up since it is briefly related of TwoJoints/(Simon Bobrovski) and Smokey_Ryder/(Jacoby A. Marshall)"
    Last edited by Jamesthebond; 05-22-2022 at 12:52 AM.
    Retired CSM Jonathon 'Ghost' Granger


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    Moved to Staff Reports as the primary issue here seems to be the aheal and warning from Jarek.

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    Per our Escalation rules:

    If at any point combat is disengaged and both parties leave the area, you cannot skip escalation and plunge back into a fight. What's done is done.
    This also means your situation where both parties were, well, dead. You cannot seek retribution for something that happened 7 minutes ago AND you already reported it to the MPs ICly.

    You did not have any reason to stab the player again, nor did you have any reason to leave their body in maints. There was no RP leading up to this, you just saw them follow you and killed them. I cannot determine what their intent was - if they were the ones to hit you fist without any RP, they would be the ones breaking the rules, this however did not happen and you clearly did not stop even after they went down which you could argue was a justified IC reaction (though still breaking our escalation rules)

    You admitted to leaving their body to perma "as an IC action" which is also not allowed per our server rules.

    Jarek has explained all this to you. You are honestly lucky Jarek decided to leave this as a verbal warning, because I would have banned you for 3 hours for both IE and griefing.

    Regardless, an aheal for a player who has been taken out of the round by some one else breaking the rules is justified and falls within staff protocols.

    Report denied. Jarek explained the issue to you to my satisfaction and it is within his right to chose a lesser punishment. You were given an explanation for the decision that fits admin standards. Since Jarek clearly explained to you what the issue was and even told you that you should have been sanctioned harsher, I find that his warning to you was clear enough and we typically do not punish admins for picking a lesser punishment where they think it is sufficient.
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