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    dinobubba7 - Commanding Officer Application

    Commanding Officer Whitelist Application
    Personal Information

    Byond ID?
    dinobubba7

    What is your discord username and handle?
    Dinobubba7#6577

    What is your timezone in UTC?
    UTC+04

    Player Name You Use Most?
    Erick 'Snake' Silva

    Make a list of links to all of your ban appeals as well as whitelist and staff applications (both accepted and denied) submitted within the past year. For appeals, provide an additional ban reason and the appeal’s verdict next to the link.
    N/A All ban appeals and applications are further back than one year.

    Have you been banned in the last 3 months?
    No.

    Experience

    How familiar are you with command positions?
    Fairly familiar, most experience stems from Squad Leader. However I do have experience as SO, XO, and CO when I used to be one. Thought it has been a couple years since CO.

    Approximately how many hours do you have as Executive Officer (XO) at the time of writing this application?
    3.3 Hours with the current playtime tracker, although my time as XO overall is well over 100 hours taking the past into account.

    Approximately how many hours do you have as Squad Leader at the time of writing this application?
    24.6 Hours, like in the case of XO my hours as SL in this case is well over 200+ hours from the past.

    Basic Questions & Story

    Why did your character decide to become the CO of a ship?
    He wanted to see if his upbringing and experience in the USCM especially as a grunt could transfer over to commanding a ship properly. Plus he considers it a challenge that he intends to take head on and navigate his way into more important positions. If anything this job is a springboard for greater prospects.

    How did your character attain the position of CO?
    Rose up through the ranks, mainly having a grunt perspective of things that elevated overtime. Allows him to connect with his men therefore win them over and is then able to successfully lead them.

    Provide a short story of your Commanding Officer.
    (Short Story from Original CO Application)
    He went through basic training and managed to pass, becoming a Private First Class for the United States Colonial Marines.

    In his time of service as a Private First Class, superiors noted him for his above average intelligence compared to those around him, as well as seemingly natural leadership that he had when assisting fellow PFC's in getting tasks done.

    Approximately a year into his service, his squad leader, Staff Sargent Rakura Miller, noted Silva for his exceptional CQC skills, as well as a knack for leadership, and assisted Silva via citations, and those citations eventually lead him into being promoted to Corporal.

    During his time as a Corporal, he was once again given a citation from Miller, after Silva assisted in leading a fireteam under CLF fire, to take a machinegun nest in the Battle of Rakisun, located on Unglar II, Silva was wounded in the process but managed to lead his fireteam to victory, securing the hill and waiting for reinforcements to arrive.

    After the battle he was recovering in the field hospital before being approached by SSGT. Miller, but also a Lieutenant by the name of Iroquois Lipskin, personally receiving a congratulations an thank you for what Silva accomplished, most noticeably a citation from Lipskin himself, assisting Silva in becoming a Sargent after he recovered from his wounds, and went through the basic training to become one.

    During his time as a Sargent, he was noted for having a close connection to each of the men under him, talking to them personally and getting to know them, winning over many marines that were under him, and being known to somehow, lead near penal battalion levels of men. However tragedy would strike as Silvas mentor and personal friend, Rakura Miller, would be killed in action following a sniper attack during the Battle of Terf, located on Dagoth Minor.

    Silva would be promptly promoted to, even though he had not gone through NCO training at this moment in time, Staff Sargent after this event due to the lack of properly trained marines during the operation by Lt. Lipskin, and at this time two men would have been contacted by [REDACTED] to watch over him as a favor, and attempt to see if Silva could be promoted even further in the USCM, to carry on a certain legacy. Those men's names would be Commander James-Frederick Cerwick, and Colonel Roy Campbell.

    After approximately two years of being a Staff Sargent, and receiving citations from multiple NCO's and other above him, he would be personally approached by Cerwick, and after discussing Silvas numerous accomplishments, would offer Silva to go through Officer Candidate School, to open up a future of possibilities in his career, Silva would accept and go through officer school, while being watched by Cerwick and Campbell the entire time.

    Silva would end up passing Officer Canidate School, being promoted to Lieutenant and being personally picked and assigned to Cerwicks Staff Officer crew, aboard the USS Cleveland, where he would be put in charge of Delta Squad, assisting them in multiple operations under the command of Cerwick, while still keeping in touch with Campbell.

    After approximately 3 years as a Lieutenant, and following the scandal involving a bear, prostitute, and the Executive Officer onboard the USS Cleveland, Cerwick would approach Silva, and with papers given to him by Campbell, assist Silva in being promoted to Executive Officer of the USS Cleveland, officially making him into a commissioned officer of the United States Colonial Marines.

    It is of note that due to the seemingly ease of promotions being handed to Silva, [REDACTED] must have been pulling multiple strings in USCM High Command to allow this to happen, even with his skill set, it would take a lot longer to reach where Silva has, and is planning on going.

    Approximately five years of being an Executive Officer, Silva was ordered to return to Earth, to receive a new assignment and posting, after meeting with Marine High Command, and Colonel Roy Campbell, as well as [REDACTED], Silva was promoted to Commander, and being put under control of the USS Almayer, which was currently in dock receiving retrofitting and a new crew, to be sent off to the outer colonies to patrol for CLF, and to respond to destress beacons from any colonies.

    Commander Erick 'Snake' Silva, after multiple years of service would finally be in a position of power and responsibility he has never had before, sitting at the helm of the USS Almayer he would think about his past, how he got here, who assisted him along the way, before pulling out his bandanna, taking off his new beret, tying it around his head before standing, and heading down to briefing to meet his crew.

    Scenarios

    When do you believe it’s appropriate to pardon a prisoner? Give an example.
    Depends on the severity of crime, the position the individual holds, and the current context of the round.
    If they're a simple PFC who broke a window and its early into the round with no outstanding issues then that individual will serve their time.
    However, if the individual is a specialist role, they too did a minor crime but the circumstances in the round are more dire then a pardon would be allocated. Context matters for these situations and they cannot be given out liberally.

    When do you believe it’s appropriate to use a Battlefield Execution? Give an example.
    (Answer from Original CO Application)
    I believe that BE's should be used at intermediate times, as using them liberally turns you into a murderous maniac capable of instantly taking any player out of a round at whim, and setting you onto the path of becoming a griefer, but at the same time if you barely use any, then people will see you as soft and attempt to walk over you whenever possible, knowing you wont react, you need to find a middle ground as to the amounts you perform, within reason of course.

    When performing a BE, you need to think about a few things, should I be doing this, why is this happening, who is going to be effected, how MANY will be effected, and much more. If you BE the RO for calling you a retard, you may have slower times in requisitions, if you BE the Delta SL after they attempted to murder you via throwing knives, you might have a mutiny on your hands, so on and so fourth. You need to find the right circumstances to BE someone, and it must not be for a petty reason. Not to mention before even thinking about going to the BE, figure out if you can punish them via marine law, and work from there.

    Confirmations

    Have you read the Code of Conduct?
    Yes

    Have you read the application process page?
    Yes

    Do you understand that any player - even donors or staff members - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our Server Rules or Roleplay Guidelines?
    Yes

    Do you understand you cannot advertise or promote this application on any platform, including Discord?
    Yes

    Do you also understand that you may not edit this application 1 hour after it has been posted?
    Yes

    Do you understand that you represent the CO whitelist and that while playing CO as any character, you must adhere to the CO Code of Conduct, Server Rules, and Roleplay Standards?
    Yes

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    Your story is very short and is the stereotypical PFC - CO story.

    I also have personally never seen you play command roles, this is even showcased in the fact that you only have 3.3 hours on record. And with your last De-WL I feel like this needs a bit more work to get the WL.

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    Largely have to echo the above here.

    The Story is a very very tropey "Enlist as PFC, somehow end up as a Senior Officer in like 20 years" story. It's more or less the exact type of story the Council does *not* want to see from what I recall, because it shows a basic misunderstanding of how ranks work. You also seem to not understand the difference between being Enlisted and Commissioned, since apparently you don't consider a Lieutenant to be an Officer? You also use the old naval ranks (Lieutenant, Commander, Captain and such) which we haven't been using for quite a while now, which just makes me think your story is low effort and hasn't been reviewed by... anyone, really.

    For Pardons, you fail to mention that capital crimes cannot be pardoned which is something that should be mentioned. Likwise, I am left wondering if you would only ever pardon for minor crimes (which MPs don't have to arrest for) or if you would also potentially pardon for majors?

    Your BE answer is confusing and partially wrong in my eyes. You specifically mention a Delta SL trying to outright murder you with throwing knives. This is not an iffy BE - it's a perfectly legitimate BE and one you really should conduct. If someone tries to quite literally kill you, they're 100% viable to be BEd and deserve as much. Beyond that, you should delegate things to MPs wherever possible, in so far as they're available. If MPs are not able to respond at all, or in time, a BE can be seen as valid, as well.

    Finally, your playtimes are absolutely not in line with what's expected. 3 Hours of XO is incredibly too little for what is expected of you, which is AT LEAST 30 Hours ON RECORD, and in recent times. The game changes a lot, and having 50 hours of CiC 1-2 years ago is going to do you very little because the game is a lot different now than it was then, and you're also out of practice.


    -1. I highly advise you to join the Discord if you haven't and check in with #whitelist-app-help BEFORE posting Whitelist applications, and ask what the requirements are etc. You can also ping Councillors and request them to pre-read your story and check if it's alright. You can literally have most of your app pre-read by Council, and if they give you the thumbs up, that's like 50% of your app already done. It's very beneficial and anyone reading this can tell you it's super worth your time.

    Good luck moving forward o7
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    Mostly addressing the replies:

    I personally do not think the story is generic, nor it should be the main point of a -1.

    The lack of mentioning capital crimes is indeed a bit sketch, I do agree with that.

    The BE answer is perhaps a bit "spaghettily" worded but I see its point, in my own experience, if you try to take a popular person out of the game for something dumb, you'll get heavy flak for it (example, once I was arrested and got all of Delta to not deploy, riot and eventually culminate into a mutiny). Not to mention throwing a knife at someone is Assault with a deadly weapon, not Attempted Murder.

    His playtimes are from before the playtimes even counted, just as mine are. The game hasn't changed, that is completely false, the gameplay loop and the "meta" has been the same for god knows how long, we still have the problem of most people not following CIC orders, our job is still to coordinate the troops, the only thing we don't have from 1-2 years ago is intel/techwebs and changing to marine ranks instead of navy ranks, those are the only major thing that changed.

    In conclusion to analyzing the criticism above, I believe i give it a +1, as I know Dino is an experienced player who should at least be given a shot at the CO whitelist.

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    I'm surprised that the whole 'PFC to CO' story has been used to such a degree recently that it has become a trope. I used the answers for what was used in my original application because it worked the first time and those answers I would say still hold up even though I could have phrased them better.

    From what I have witnessed, CO and command in general has not changed much since I was in the position; apart from general conduct and rule tweaks, what you're still there to do is no different. If anything the only actual difference is that marines refuse to listen to command even less than before; doubly so if the marines have no idea or respect for those in charge, looking at modern briefings at the lack of attendance by practically anyone I feel is an testament to it.

    For the BE answer the reason I disagree with you saying its wrong because we both have differences in if we are going to follow through on a BE even if its justified. The context surrounding a BE matters, especially who its on and why. Take a delta SL who is well known, loved by the troops and they committed a BE'able offence, I would not BE that individual based on the outcomes of doing such a thing. Mutiny's, riots, and all of these things have occurred when BEs on individuals like that occur, especially if they are known players. No good comes from a situation like that in my eyes as it brings more negatives than positives. If anything you put them in the brig and let the MPs take care of the rest; if anything else develops from that situation then I will consider the BE to be necessary but only after other events have transpired since again, going straight to a BE for a BE'able offence does not look good, trust me I know from experience. I will only BE if there is an absolute necessity and there are no other options available that are sufficient for punishment.

    My actual playtime with command positions is a lot historically, those that recall from 2019-2020 was when I did mainly play command roles, especially SL. Being an SL main for hundreds of hours is what landed me the position of CO in the firs place more then my actual hours as XO since the skills gained from SL transfer over and work off XO/CO very well. I did used to be a CO, and yes I was taken off the whitelist due to LRP however that was over two years ago and a lot has changed in that timeframe.


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    You haven't touched XO for more than 4 hours. I think you're a solid PFC player and a cool guy, but you need to meet the minimum requirements for the application regardless of the playtime you have in the past. The story holds up for the time period that you originally applied, but the application process has changed since then. I would recommend reviewing previous accepted and rejected CO applications within the past year to get a better idea of what's expected. Obviously, the CO apps just changed again, but the purpose was to make the application standard higher - not lower.

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    Ive seen you as an SL, and an XO

    and while I think you've done fine (off the top of my memeory)

    Im gonna be -1 ing this


    I dont hate PFC to CO stories... it happens, and we're on the frontier where officers are a commodity that's getting shot in the face frequently (there are litterally systems in place to get Promising enlisted into the officer Corps) But:

    You are using Navy ranks (which are no longer correct) and it shows you either are unaware of the ways CM has changed (which is bad for a commander prospect). Or else this is a low effort copy paste of a previous story

    And even as a story it feels dead... like no character?

    I know what he did, but Im not super clear who he is as a character from it.
    (I will even admit my story was almost too bland as well, and in hindsight woulda put more flavor in it)

    You got 3 hours of Modern CM command under your belt... and while Command in principal hasnt changed too much over the years (Yell at squads to go to important spot and shoot bugs)
    The rules, duties and tools surrounding the job have changed quite a bit. even in the last few months, and while in theory several hundred hours in the past will make up for this, plus a few to get familiar with the role in a modern capacity. It doesnt give any of us, or the council a chance to be familiar with your ability skill, or character in the Command position as you are "now" regardless of past performance.

    also frankly that pardon answer is sketchy as fuck, and i'm a bit unsure about your BE answer, like Ok sure... shooters get the kablamo, but everybody know this, give us more of an edge case, or at least something less cut and dry than "crazy man killing people".

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    Dinobubba, I don't think you're a bad player at all and more importantly that you've changed for the better since last time I saw you actively play CM, but the fact of the matter remains that you got dewhitelisted over something pretty nasty, and the CO whitelist itself got purged - twice. It doesn't matter how much of a presence anyone had beforehand, if they did not keep their whitelist after the purges, they're treated as a blank slate and have to start from scratch again. Them's the apples.

    My advice, withdraw this app, keep playing the game, and reapply in a month with a new app taking into account all the feedback you've gotten here.

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    Sheeesh this boy LRP as hell!

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    You do not have the required XO hours. However we understand you are a veteran player, and had the whitelist at one points. But, the council has said anyone who was de-whitelisted or purged must have the required hours regardless of account age, reputation, etc… when it comes time to reapply.

    Try again in 30 days and hopefully you can get the required XO hours
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