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    N/A - will be listed in indicent

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Ceyella

    Your Character Name?
    Evelyn Meer

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    N/A

    Accused Character Name
    Marie Kiri, William C. Ferrin, Bowser Drachen Schwartz, coulikov wichinein

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    4:00 am 3/5/2019

    What rule(s) were broken:
    will be listed in indicent

    Description of the incident:
    >start of round MPs taze and screw with any medic going to medical for chems.
    >MPs arrest tank crew, for running over a crate, despite tanker being new to driving OOC.
    >Mps arrest a man for knocking on glass and asking where to hold during boarding.
    >MPs arrest me for asking the captain if i can mutiny against MPs and free the man arrested for help intent knocking. perma me and isolation me
    >Comms taken away after trying to inform captain for the situation.
    >Kol steel, a SG is shot while in brig.
    >Attempt to contact captain via appeals letters, that are burned by MPs. i did inform them appeals is protocol.
    >The one nice Mp waits until the others leave and takes my appeal up. CPT comes down and sets me free after hearing all the fuckery.
    >MPs arrest me again, without stating reason, or sentence, and toss me back in isolation, i tell CPT and he informs me he will need to fax high command.
    MPs disobey captain, ironically in a pretty mutiny way by refusing to release me and KOL.
    round ends.

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    It would be rule 3. Being a dick. Whichever was the griefing rule. And the rule that mps have to follow marine law OOCly
    (not enough room for all of this in rules broken.)

    Thier were only two staff on, so i talked to bancrose on discord throughout the time, and he was trying to login before round to take care of it, but then round ended.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    How you would punish the accused:
    CMP Bowser deserves a Jban, he was the main factor in all of this, burning appeals letters for one, and mistreating people as MP role.
    William deserves a Jban for shooting unarmed prisoners. and being pretty fucky.
    Marie Kiri arrested me after CPT let me go, and told me he couldnt help me. i think she should be warned to side with cpt over CMP in such matters.
    coulikov wichinein took my headset after i tried to tell the CPT about the shooting. clearly silencing me for trying ot get help, he should be Jbanned, or temp banned from role.
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    Hi, I'm posting here as Marie Kiri. You were in jail for Sedition, which is a capital level crime. According to the wiki only Minor or Major crimes can be pardoned, a Capital level crime can only be pardoned if the captain also has a fax from High Command approving the pardon. The appeal route doesn't work either as I believe the CMP had evidence of you confessing to the crime, which means that you can't be released on appeal either due to there being clear evidence of you not being innocent.

    Thanks!

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    I would like to ask why an ahelp wasn't made about this, as staff were around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimreaperx15 View Post
    I would like to ask why an ahelp wasn't made about this, as staff were around.


    I was talking to bancrose on discord about the issues, and he was attempting to login to deal with them. i felt a ahelp would be notifying two separate mods of the same issue which is generally frowned upon.

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    I'm curious to see if the CMP will pop in here. I'd like to see what the others have to say before I give my full account as the Capt mentioned in OP's incident, since I woke up real late into the round after most of the supposed MP shittery happened. Also I'm a bit too tired to type up anything right now.

    If any staff have questions about my role, I'm happy to answer.

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    Hello. I am Bowser Drachen Schwartz, the CMP with the ridiculously long name that was mentioned by Meer.

    I will be giving my side of the situation that transpired those two rounds (at least, the parts that Ceyella are bringing up - it was a mess!), as I myself had spend the entirety of both rounds on the USS Almeyer (if we don't include the bridge sending down the Alamo with me on it so I had to hide in the cockpit with a marine that I was arresting - with the PO's permission.)


    Since I am the CMP involved with this case, I am willing to take responsibility for the actions of the men and women who worked under me if they were following my orders. They followed their orders to the letter and took initiative in how they dealt with Marine Law, be it to the spirit or to the letter of the law.



    >Start of round, MPs taze and screw with any medic for going to get chems

    We had set up the checkpoints to give Medbay time to prepare chemicals and to make sure that the marines attended the Briefing. It harkened back to the days of the Sulaco, and many of them did not like the idea. I gave the MPs explicit orders to let the civs pass in and the Tankers/Pilots/etc inside to pass out, and the marines were not allowed to enter the greater part of the lower deck until the Briefing had ended. This was done on the precedent that marines have had a recent bad streak of breaking things and harassing the PO as a way to avoid Briefing, and it was not without probable cause; Once they had gotten access to the rest of the Almeyer, they blew up the shooting range.

    The Executive Officer waived this as aCO on the second round that it happened, and we all complied because they were our superior officer.




    >MPs arrest tank crew, for running over a crate, despite tanker being new to driving OOC.

    I was not there when it happened, but, and I quote, Lily Izayoi cried out "TANK ATTENDING BRIEFING"

    She drove through the MP checkpoint with encouragement from multiple marines, including one Kol Steel, who we'll get to later. (He's the marine who Evelyn mentioned in the last part.)

    Izayoi proceeded to damage multiple walls on the Almeyer and ran a bunch of marines, including the MPs, over. Her gunner wisely left the tank and didn't want to get into any trouble. We ordered Izayoi to leave the tank, and she refused. I ahelped it and we went to the Alamo for a long, grueling standoff, which ironically ended with her gunner helping us to rip her from her tank. She was permabrigged for her crimes and LOOC'd that she was going to disconnect, and to Cryo her so a new Tanker could play. When the staff notified me of this, we threw her into Cryo and eventually, a new crew got to lose the tank later on.

    I also checked your screenshots. There are no logs related to this situation. If you have any, could you share them to help clarify where you feel wronged? It would help me to understand your perspective a whole lot better if you had more information for me to go on.




    >Mps arrest a man for knocking on glass and asking where to hold during boarding.

    I was there at the time, and did not see you. That marine was banging on the window while I was holding a marine in the Security Office. I told them to "STOP THAT" and they said OK. When I went back to holding the meeting, they refused, and were arrested with a Hooliganism charge.

    There are no screenshots related to this case, either.




    >MPs arrest me for asking the captain if i can mutiny against MPs and free the man arrested for help intent knocking. perma me and isolation me

    Yes, we did free the man for knocking. He served his time, and was only annoying us.

    You, on the other hand, had explicitly asked Captain Cottler for permission to mutiny against the MPs for situations that you were not even a part of. OOC, you were basically trying to find an excuse to kill and harass us, and to ruin our round. IC, you wanted us to be locked up and our careers to be ended, or worse, for us to be killed.

    When we interrogated you, you confessed to the crime. We had a tape recorder on to collect your words.

    Marine law specifically states that pardons cannot be given if there is evidence of the crime.

    >Comms taken away after trying to inform captain for the situation.
    >Kol steel, a SG is shot while in brig.
    >Attempt to contact captain via appeals letters, that are burned by MPs. i did inform them appeals is protocol.
    >The one nice Mp waits until the others leave and takes my appeal up. CPT comes down and sets me free after hearing all the fuckery.




    You were screaming for help instead of demanding your rights to an appeal for the most part, which the logs that you posted clearly indicate. More on that in a moment. (We knew that you wanted to appeal, but legally could not pardon you.)

    You also lied to the CO about the Jailbreak. One of the MPs had accidentally locked themself (Dothal, the one posting here) in a locker when setting the prisoner's timer. The prisoner managed to remove their cuffs and attempted to escape. One of the MPs accidentally pulled his M4A3 instead of his taser, which I'd like to point out you could have easily ahelped about for improper escalation, along with the marine in question.

    I refused to punish them because I knew it was an honest mistake and gave them a verbal reprimand and warning instead, because I knew that they were acting in good faith, and had spent the round trying to ensure that every marine brigged had proper records, and were in for a fair amount of time. There were checks and balances in the police force to ensure that the spirit and letter of the law was enforced. Their fellow MP was also locked up illegally, from their perspective, and the offender had attempted to beat them.

    You also neglect to mention that your appeal, which I insisted was submitted in writing for this hearing since you clearly seemed mentally unstable at the time, was not signed or dated. I had a MP LOOC you how to fill out a piece of paper and you couldn't even do that. You are also calling for their job-ban after they tried to help you, and again, did not post any logs, this time of the positive things which they did. I burned the appeal that was illegible and consisted of screaming for help as an example to you. Signing and dating a piece of paper is something which you learn in Kindergarten, and the server rules also state that all marines are sane, and sound of mind. Maybe you had PTSD from the mission that made you forget how to write...which if so, would've warranted a medical screening with a M.D. to see if you were fit for duty at all.

    Captain Cottier took his own initiative, and did not discuss the brig situation with me beforehand. One of my MPs noticed his pardons without consulting the brig crew, and went back to read the transcripts we kept. It was then that we got our lead about Kol.

    Kol was an interesting marine. An admirable record on the ground, and he was a bona-fied Xeno Killer. It's following orders where he had trouble. I told him that the alien menace was dead, and to stop shooting, and he proceeded to smash down windows. He was arrested for Damage to Government Property.

    However, during his processing, he attempted to jailbreak. When a responding MP saw what happened, he accidentally shot him, and only once. I did not condone or order this. He made it explicitly clear that it was an accident, and I'll be requesting that they post their perspective in this thread as well, as to help this case be handled quickly and efficiently. (He probably had a Shoulder Holster with a M4A3 in it. I did not order any of the MPs to carry sidearms, but they were legally allowed to in accordance to SOP.)

    When we re-read the evidence that included a recorded confession from Meer (making their appeal impossible, so we stopped her hearings) We found out that Kol had told Izayoi to drive the tank through the Security Checkpoint. Izayoi's rampage resulted in a lot of harm to the marines on and off of the Almeyer. This gave us enough evidence to consider Kol's execution. (For Jailbreak, Sedition, Damage to Government Property, Assault..

    Oh, and Kol was not a Smartgunner. He was a Squad Specialist, who had in the previous round also made an effort to randomly harass people for fun. He was brigged during that round, too.

    The Captain also approved of a re-arrest because of the bookkeeping we did. We had recordings of your confession and your criminal record for him to read.

    According to the facts of the situation, I fail to see as to why anybody involved should be job-banned Two staff members were online, overseeing the cases, and I was keeping in touch with both of them to ensure that nobody was falsely brigged.
    To quote Sargash; If you were making invalid arrests, You would know."

    I hope that this wall of text gives proper and fair insight into the situation that transpired, and that it helps the staff to handle this situation in a timely, simple fashion! I take reports very seriously.


    For those of you who don't like to read;

    TL;DR: Evelyn Meer tried to incite a mutiny. We brigged her for Sedition. The Captain pardoned her in error and without checking their records or the evidence closet, or consulting me. We re-arrested Meer after talking to the Captain about the wrongful pardon.

    An MP accidentally pulled an M4A3 instead of his taser when dealing with a different criminal. There were moderators online who were handling these cases whom had already given their rulings. Some of these events happened during separate rounds. Meer was not involved in some of these situations.
    Last edited by Quill-Weave; 03-05-2019 at 10:51 PM. Reason: fixing minor grammar issues, edited the part about screaming for help

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    Hello, i'm William C. Ferrin and i'm the one who pulled the M4A3 in this situation. I normally keep my tazer in a shoulder holster so that I can quickly detain suspects without having to fumble about. I believe that we had active xenos aboard during the round in question which prompted me to exchange my tazer for a M4A3 as a last line of defence. I forgot to swap back once the threat had been dealt with and when I arrived to the brig with a loose perp and a fellow MP inside of a locker my instincts kicked in. I quickly realized my mistake and immediatley ceased fire. I admit that this was a careless mistake and should've never happened, I would never purposely harm a marine who was in our custody.

    The tank crew incident involving Lily was more extreme than Meer let on. I told Lily not to take the tank to the briefing hall when she decided to simply run through the checkpoint. It took multiple MPs to finally subdue her but not before she ran over multiple people including myself.

    I'd like to also touch on the accusation of me being "fucky". I try to play as a moderate MP who believes in the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter. What I mean by this is that I try not to take people down for throwing a pack at a window once or insulting me. I even try to talk to prisoners if i've been assigned guard duty in order to help the time pass for both parties. I apologize if anyone has found my character to be overly abrasive, I'll use this as a learning experience.

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    Hello, Voss here. I personally believe the Bowser does indeed deserve a job ban from all the incidents I have seen him as CMP he does not play it correctly, and activly baits people to insult him so he can add charges. I ahelped a proposed mutiny last night but I gave up on that thought since it was lowpop. Every time I have seen bowser as CMP deadchat is litearlly asking for him to be job banned. He will go around and if you do the slightest thing he will taze you (multiple times). In the incident I was in (if you care to dive for logs it was about...an hour or 30 min before this incident) I broke some glass in the briefing and of course I knew I was being arrested. I was complying and turned to follow the CMP only for him to taze me and another marine multiple times. Then after dragging me to brig I told him that while I can be brigged that is the MAXIMUM punishment and should not be utalized at all times (I was a smartgunner so I was needed for the mission). He then stated that me laughing was insulting a suprior officer and that my time was fifteen minutes. This led me to believe he was baiting the charge just so he could brig me. Due to the maximum punishment for destruction is 30 minutes I should have been in there for a maximum of forty five minutes yet I was only in for the minimum punishment of insulting a superior officer which (laughing does not count). I had an audiance with the captain and thus after briefing he said "Okay drop his charges for disrespecting) and they were not dropped. I was in for the same amount of time. Bowser also does not allow appeals and he burns faxes that are supposed to make it to HC. In my personal opinion he does not deserve to have the job of CMP now, or ever and honestly if I ever see them as CMP I am going to cryo and beno that round.

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    The only input I can give is that they went to me about it in PM's and as I was coming I could not handle it, but from what I could gather. It seems like Rule 3 for the CMP and the IE for the MP that shot a Marine named Kol Steel, but Staff said that was handled ingame unless I'm wrong.

    Also a note CMP, You cannot deny someones right to appeal by burning their appeal. They have the right to appeal to the Captain or someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bancrose View Post
    The only input I can give is that they went to me about it in PM's and as I was coming I could not handle it, but from what I could gather. It seems like Rule 3 for the CMP and the IE for the MP that shot a Marine named Kol Steel, but Staff said that was handled ingame unless I'm wrong.

    Also a note CMP, You cannot deny someones right to appeal by burning their appeal. They have the right to appeal to the Captain or someone else.
    Yeah, from what I recall it was handled IC. Their appeal was literally gibberish and I told them to sign and date it, and two staff members (I think Sargoth and Taketheshot?) were there to handle it.

    In regards to the appeal rule, since they did not submit the appeal in writing, I was the only person who could handle their appeal at the time. (The CO was busy in the CIC.)

    Since I had a transcript of them confessing to the crime, and they would not follow any of the instructions given to appeal their sentence, they were not pardoned.

    Voss, as I stated IC, the insult charge was more of a formality. Your Damage to Government Property charge was only for fifteen minutes. I didn't put it up to 45.

    The only time I have EVER burned a letter to the CO was that letter from Meer, which wasn't even written legibly. (for example, instead of Incident, the thread is named indicent.)

    Also in regards to your case, you didn't mention that you were running at me with a shotgun wielded...Or that the other marine was attempting to break you out of the brig. Anybody else who wrote a letter has had it delivered by Caulikov or William.

    Said marine was also one of the marines who attempted a mutiny against the Almeyer later in the round, IIRC. So, there's that. (I think you were actually the Commodore that round, Bancrose.)

    As an addendum, according to marine law, the XO, CO, or CMP can oversee an appeal, right? Which would mean that I could do with the documents what I see fit, if I'm the one overseeing the appeal process. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
    Last edited by Quill-Weave; 03-07-2019 at 12:22 PM. Reason: formatting, addendum

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