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    CastorTroy23 - Spirit of the whitelist

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Bellymaster

    Date of Incident
    August 16, 2022

    Your Character Name?
    FU-595-G

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    CastorTroy23

    Accused Character Name
    Lang'Kell Nhon

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    11:16 AM

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Spirit of the whitelist

    Description of the incident:
    A runner was fighting a predator at hydro, against a predator. The predator was slowly getting the upper hand, so a pair of spitters attempted to make the predator leave. The predator, which was running out of health and getting repeatedly stunned, used its plasma eradicator, which instantly put me, and I believe another two xenos in to crit. After the queen healed us, the predator camped my crit body until the stun wore off, then walked up, diced me in to crit and killed me. Yes, they did not slash me in stun, but they may aswell have. They reduced my HP by about 90% with one attack from the caster, then stood about 3 tiles away and waited for my crit to wear off before instantly attacking and killing me. They did not earn the kill, it was not really an acceptable way to fight. The pred has no rules that stop it from fleeing a fight against xenos, nor any reason to use its overpowered oneshot weapon, then wait for queen heal and stun to wear off before executing. They metagamed the honor code to get a small dopamine rush off of killing other people with gamer gear, and it goes against the spirit of the role they are playing, it took no skill to click the general vicinity of the fighters, and then to capitalize on being able to take away all of my HP and stun me off weeds by waiting.
    Neither spitter who engaged are dishonorable, as according to

    This is a temporary status for a single engagement and is not mandatory to utilise
    Example : A single or group of marine(s)/xeno(s) engage you because you are actively engaged with one of theirs, they are honorable.

    Also

    Yautja Honor Duels & Mercy:
    Yautja may challenge another blooded Yautja or human they deem worthy of an honor duel. Honor duels are to the death but have some rules:

    The challenging Yautja can choose the rules of the duel. Such as allowing the use of ranged weaponry by the challenged. This is only applicable to humans.
    For a Yautja on Yautja honor duel to occur, there must have been a major incident that occurred between the two (i.e. The stealing of a trophy, grave insults and so on.)

    Should the human win, they may be given a trophy from the ship by the other Yautja or one of the gear parts of the fallen yautja.

    Any interference with the duel will lead to that party being marked as dishonorable. Also, any party that breaches the rules of the will be marked as dishonorable.

    >>>>Xenomorphs and Abominations can never be the opponents in an honor duel.<<<<

    We did not use dishonorable tactics, it was within the honor code to be free from dishonor to help the runner, as soon as the predator used its eradicator it should have returned any crit xenos to weeds as according to

    Honor Code Infractions -
    If you break the Honor Code while hunting a prey, you are to cease your hunt of the said prey. If you critically injure them during this, please bring them to their teammates. E.g Bring xenos to weeds. Marines to their squaddies or fortifications. Should you not be able to, due to a threat or time constraints, you will not be penalized for this however, you should be prepared to defend your initial actions should a report be filed.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    What resolution are you seeking?
    Warning, gamer gear should not be used to abuse other players that do not have access, predators are not punished from fleeing xenos, and do not have to SD when they are loosing. It was not a dishonorable fight, and they choose to bend the rules as far as they can to let themselves kill players that have no means of protecting themselves, while also arguably being honorable the entire time.
    Last edited by ito726; 08-16-2022 at 05:01 PM. Reason: ckey

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    2022/08/16: [16:07:16]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:07:21]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:07:22]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:07:22]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:07:24]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the North Nexus Road (97,69,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:07:24]HIVEMIND: BellyMaster/(Mature Sentinel (FU-595-G)) : How many caps do we still have
    2022/08/16: [16:07:28]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the North Nexus Road (98,68,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:07:36]HIVEMIND: BellyMaster/(Mature Sentinel (FU-595-G)) : Queen rouney under attack
    2022/08/16: [16:07:42]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (88,69,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:07:52]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:07:53]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (81,68,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:07:54]HIVEMIND: BellyMaster/(Mature Sentinel (FU-595-G)) : Do you want us to help
    2022/08/16: [16:07:55]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (82,69,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:07:57]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (81,69,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:10]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Medbay (81,73,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:14]TGUI: BellyMaster (as Mature Sentinel (FU-595-G) at 84,69,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:15]TGUI: BellyMaster (as Mature Sentinel (FU-595-G) at 84,69,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:08:15]TGUI: BellyMaster in tgui-window-1/close (suspending)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:15]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:22]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:08:23]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:23]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:25]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:26]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Medbay (81,72,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:26]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:29]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:34]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (80,70,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:37]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (84,70,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:39]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (91,69,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:44]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:08:46]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:47]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:47]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:47]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) shot CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) with an acid spatter in the North Nexus Road (98,69,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:48]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:48]ATTACK: /(Mature Spitter (OR-78-K2)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:49]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:08:49]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:52]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (86,70,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:54]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the South Medbay Road (77,70,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:08:56]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:56]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:08:58]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:08:58]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) shot CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) with an acid spatter in the Northwest Jungle (72,70,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:00]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) injected CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) with unusual crystal (REAGENTS: Thwei) (INTENT: HURT) in the Northern Jungle (72,77,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) shot BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with a plasma eradicator in the Northern Jungle (76,84,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) was harmed by explosion in Northern Jungle caused by plasma caster at (70,80,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) blew up BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with a plasma caster in the Northern Jungle (70,80,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) was harmed by explosion in Northern Jungle caused by plasma caster at (71,79,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) blew up BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with a plasma caster in the Northern Jungle (71,79,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) was harmed by explosion in Northern Jungle caused by plasma caster at (72,78,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) blew up BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with a plasma caster in the Northern Jungle (72,78,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) was harmed by explosion in Northern Jungle caused by plasma caster at (72,78,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:09:12]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) blew up BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with a plasma caster in the Northern Jungle (72,78,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:13]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) shot /(Mature Spitter (OR-78-K2)) with a sparks in the Northern Jungle (79,85,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:18]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:09:19]EMOTE: Unknown/CastorTroy23 : Unknown cries out in pain!
    2022/08/16: [16:09:20]ATTACK: /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) slashed CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon)
    2022/08/16: [16:09:21]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Northern Jungle (78,86,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:25]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) shot /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with a plasma pistol bolt in the Northern Jungle (88,84,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:28]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked /(Ancient Runner (YEW-531)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Hydroponics (91,78,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:43]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Northwest Jungle (72,75,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:44]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Northwest Jungle (72,73,3).
    2022/08/16: [16:09:45]ATTACK: CastorTroy23/(Lang'Kell Nhon) attacked BellyMaster/(Mature Spitter (FU-595-G)) with chainwhip (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE) in the Northwest Jungle (72,74,3).


    Left out statements by BellyMaster regarding how unhappy he was with the incident in deadchat.
    Last edited by ito726; 08-16-2022 at 06:04 PM. Reason: corrected ooc to deadchat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ito726 View Post
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    A strange way to avoid getting capped....


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    hi, the runner YEW attacked me out of the blue then the spitters joined. I shot an HPC in the general direction and it hit you. After having dealt with YEW I went back to you and finished you off after the queen seemingly healed you out of crit

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    Queens logs. Heals are not logged explicitly, there are some TGUI logs that are plausibly related to a heal, but they could be something else too. Queen is more focused on the siege than headhunters, but she is aware of them and the situation.

    2022/08/16: [16:05:38]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Fall back to hydro
    2022/08/16: [16:05:44]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : They seem to push
    2022/08/16: [16:07:00]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:07:02]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:07:02]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:07:14]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:07:31]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Yeah the runner is fighting headhunter
    2022/08/16: [16:07:36]HIVEMIND: BellyMaster/(Mature Sentinel (FU-595-G)) : Queen rouney under attack
    2022/08/16: [16:07:57]HIVEMIND: /(Runner (BA-459-D)) : Order retreat queen
    2022/08/16: [16:08:59]TGUI: erol509 (as Queen at 160,196,3)
    2022/08/16: [16:09:02]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:09:05]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:09:06]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:09:06]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:09:06]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:09:07]TGUI: (as Queen at 160,196,3) in tgui-window-1
    2022/08/16: [16:09:45]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Dont try to siege them
    2022/08/16: [16:10:03]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : And dont fight headhunter
    2022/08/16: [16:11:04]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Im not sure why they are hiding in nexus
    2022/08/16: [16:11:15]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Single one in cargo
    2022/08/16: [16:12:38]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Okay retreat towards caves
    2022/08/16: [16:12:43]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : Let them push
    2022/08/16: [16:12:48]HIVEMIND: /(Queen (PU-630-L)) : We cant siege them yet
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    If the runner was dishonorable, why did you not use dishonorable tools to dispatch them, you fought the runner for a minute, in north nexus, right outside hydro, xeno staging, and according to logs only used chainwhip, while you could have used the same HPC to instantly end the fight, and would have been able to continue your hunt. After you get engaged, during what looks like an honorable hunt, you fight for another minute, inject thwei, and then 12 seconds later fire a hail mary lethal plasma caster. This does not make any sense, if you were fighting dishonorable foes, a yautja would not dither and exchange blows in such a fashion, they would quickly and brutally end the fight. It looks like the fight was going poorly, and you decided you wanted to win at any cost, and lethal'd regardless of the other considerations.

    Besides that, you are a hunter, you are not on the planet to sightsee, why would you be in the middle of a hive staging at north nexus and expect to not get attacked. The yautja have a term for xenos, it is kiande amedha "hard meat" "whom they revere as perhaps the most worthy of all prey."

    Only a foolish hunter,or mighty hunter, knowing the danger and power of hard meat, would intentionally sit, in plain view, and so close, to a hotspot of xenos. Yautja know how xenos operate, they know that they are an apex predator, and will murder them without hesitation, so why, when engaged, would you stay in plain view of many xenos, what folly would that be, to pick a battle in such proximity to such a great foe.

    The Yautja have a Code of Honor during the hunt that it expects all members of the species to adhere to on pain of not being seen as a "true Yautja" and therefore subject to being destroyed. Therefore, most Yautja are moulded around that code, being ruthless but honorable ,

    ruth·less
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    having or showing no pity or compassion for others.
    "a ruthless manipulator"

    A ruthless hunter, would, by logic, if dishonored, not entertain and hunt a foe, but would exterminate it. When you failed to exterminate YEW, it could be, and would be inferred, that you were not able, by your own IC and OOC rules, to use dishonorable weapons.

    TL;DR You did not RP well, if you were fighting a dishonorable opponent, you should have used your tools that would show it was a dishonorable opponent, you did not show xenos any respect and you behaved in a very LRP manner for your role, and if the fight was honorable, well, the logs speak for themselves. However, IMO, for non hunters, decloaked preds that are within base vision range for a considerable amount of time, and fighting allies of those in vision range, should not be able to "bank" dishonorable status from one prey to use on another. My actions were honorable, my behavior was MRP in the exchange, and yet castor used dishonorable weapons, and tactics, as admitted in their own post.

    A strange way to avoid getting capped....


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    Hello council here. In lore predators and CM predators are very different. In lore predators would not even give you the chance to be fought with CMs honourable tools. The predator being report here chose to use his honourable tools when versing the runner 1v1 even though the runner was dishonourable for attacking him. He only started to use his dishonourable tools when the other two xenos got involved which he 100% can do.

    A ruthless hunter, would, by logic, if dishonoured, not entertain and hunt a foe, but would exterminate it. When you failed to exterminate YEW, it could be, and would be inferred, that you were not able, by your own IC and OOC rules, to use dishonourable weapons. By this logic you are stating you want him to dispatch everything that attacks him first with every tool in his arsenal which is something I do not support what so ever.

    This is not a debate on RP at all i don't know why you brought this up, there is nothing LRP with a predator using his worthy tools against dishonourable prey.

    you did not show xenos any respect and you behaved in a very LRP manner for your role This is just false. A yautja would never treat a xenomorph with any respect they are prey and nothing more, they are lower than even humans in their eyes. Humans can at least hold honour when xenos cannot ever hold honour also you being MRP has nothing to do with you defending dishonourable.

    I also don't know why you brought up duels and mercy when predators can never duel with xenos because once again xenos hold no honour. Again You were defending dishonourable so castoy used dishonourable tools when you jumped into the fight to defend the runner. The council is discussing this report and will close it ASAP.
    Last edited by Joe Lampost; 08-23-2022 at 01:42 AM.
    Now I just feel sorry for the Pred council. Those poor people only get the nut jobs...

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    Council has declared this is not a violation of the spirit of the whitelist.
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