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    Ahana - Bad MP behavior

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Yangtaiji

    Date of Incident
    September 29, 2022

    Your Character Name?
    Easton Shafer

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Ahana

    Accused Character Name
    Laurencia Beck

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    29-09-2022 between 16:00 and 16:39

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Bad MP behavior

    Description of the incident:
    As described in my AdminHelp : I pushed a doctor to make way to the dropship to deliver a Drip for the field. The doctor decided to press charges for assault ... Fair. I got arrested for "assault" and "NoD", like ... I don't know where that NoD is coming from. And whil I was "cooperating" with the CMP and following him. I got tased 5 times by the MW for no reason. His excuse is "i thought you was running". When i asked to press charges against this abusive use of force, CMP denied it.

    CMP : Laurencia Beck
    MW : Emily James

    For god sake it's been 3 days and this is already getting toxic each round ... We can't enjoy a round now without getting harrassed by laurencia beck and this "abusive" use of marine law addiction.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Doctor asking for a IV drip :

    2ndLt Abar Baryon [MedSci (Doc)] says, "CMO mind sending down some IVs please."

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    My character throwing the doctor away because he is preventing me from delivering the IV drip to the dropship :

    Easton Shafer has grabbed Naomi Martinez passively!
    Easton Shafer has grabbed Naomi Martinez aggressively!
    Easton Shafer holds Naomi Martinez by the neck and starts choking them!
    You prepare to perform a high toss.
    Easton Shafer has thrown Naomi Martinez.

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    Me getting arrested for "Assault" and "NOD".

    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "CMO."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "I love your money."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You are under arrest for assault and NoD."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "As ordered by your doctor, you are to be detained."
    Jr. Exec. Saturn Tiberian says, "I should have warned ye cmo."
    Jr. Exec. Saturn Tiberian says, "The red hat is."
    Jr. Exec. Saturn Tiberian says, "Aggressive."
    2ndLt Jean 'Docteur' Corbeau [MedSci (SO)] says, "CMO. bring aspirine to CIC when possible.."
    1stLt Easton Shafer asks, "Is this a fucking joke ?"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Please come with me to the brig."
    PFC Bob Huey [Almayer (OT)] says, "Howd you manage to do that over radio."
    2ndLt Brick Begum [MedSci (Rsr)] says, "This new medscanner is the worst"
    2ndLt Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "Hm, let's protest."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale has disarmed Laurencia Beck!
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale attempted to disarm Laurencia Beck!
    2ndLt Naomi Martinez asks, "Huh, is that was press charges means?"
    2ndLt Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale screams!4
    Laurencia Beck tries to put the handcuffs on Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale.
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You may join the CMO."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "Well, i'm being under arrest for an assault that i never did."
    1stLt Easton Shafer [MedSci (CMO)] says, "Well, i'm being under arrest for an assault that i never did."
    2ndLt Naomi Martinez grita, "Piping hot ass whoopings served here, courtesy of the United States Colonial Marine Corps, motherfucker!"
    Laurencia Beck has grabbed Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale passively!
    Laurencia Beck has grabbed Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale aggressively!
    Laurencia Beck starts loading Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale onto their back.
    Laurencia Beck loads Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale onto their back.
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "And NOD of course."
    1stLt Easton Shafer [MedSci (CMO)] says, "And NOD of course."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale attempts to remove the handcuffs!
    2ndLt Alejandro Olphert [MedSci (IO)] asks, "New med scanner?"
    2ndLt Jean 'Docteur' Corbeau [MedSci (SO)] says, "What."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Please follow me, CMO."
    Naitshell Maneman [Almayer (Bravo RFN)] says, "Focus"
    Naomi Martinez has grabbed Clark Faust passively!
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "Marine beck law time."
    1stLt Easton Shafer [MedSci (CMO)] says, "Marine beck law time."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale attempts to remove the handcuffs!
    Laurencia Beck starts climbing up the ladder.
    You start climbing up the ladder.
    Laurencia Beck climbs up the ladder.2
    Easton Shafer climbs up the ladder.
    You climb up the ladder.

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    Me getting tased 5 times while i'm cooperating

    2ndLt Jean 'Docteur' Corbeau [MedSci (SO)] asks, "Mon dieu, don't vous learn to de escalate????"
    Capt Jordan 'Raptor' Cross says, "-298 -326"
    Capt Jordan 'Raptor' Cross says, "Dial"
    2ndLt Jean 'Docteur' Corbeau [MedSci (SO)] shouts, "Reach a deal merde!"
    Emily James fires the disabler gun!7
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] asks, "Any OBs left?"
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "I'm fucking."
    You just said something, take a breath.
    ...You hear something about...i
    ... You can almost hear someone talking ...2
    ...You almost hear someone talking...6
    1stLt Easton Shafer babbles, "I--------------"
    ARES v3.2 [Almayer] states, "Alan Jones has entered long-term hypersleep storage. Belongings moved to hypersleep inventory."
    The cigarette machine beeps, "Life's short, smoke a Lucky!"
    2ndLt Emily James says, "Oh"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "He's clear."
    1stLt Easton Shafer stammers, "L-Low."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "Well thought he was running"
    1stLt Easton Shafer stammers, "Y-Your f-fucking."
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] says, "Aight."
    1stLt Easton Shafer stammers, "G-G-Gun."

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    Me asking to press charges for the MW while the CMP is refusing it

    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "I'm pressing charges against the MW for unauthorized use of force."
    Emily James puts the disabler gun into the shoulder holster.
    Sgt Lou 'Leatherback' Norton [Almayer (MP)] says, "Guys he litrally choosed to stay."
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    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "Fair."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "You were marked"
    Sgt Lou 'Leatherback' Norton [Almayer (MP)] says, "He had a chance."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "And cooperating."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "It was not malicious in capacity."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "And i had no way of knowing you weren't running"
    Sgt Lou 'Leatherback' Norton [Almayer (MP)] says, "But he decided not to."
    The Jurisdictional Automated System pings, "Criminal Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale verified."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "I said i'm pressing charges."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "Let Provost handle it."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "Arresting procedures do not mention maliciousness anywhere."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "I can arrest the warden."
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] says, "East being cleaned up."
    Command Announcement

    Must east once the cluster clears. Don't waste the clearing.

    Signed by,
    Captain Jordan 'Raptor' Cross
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "But should their appeal be successful."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You will incur prevarication."
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall says, "Resisting and misuse may be what your looking for . and it would indeed CMO"
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "Go ahead ? I was following you and got fucked with a taser."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "Your warden continuned tasing me."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "Non, it would only be if he ordered the arrest for the MW."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "He is not."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "EVEN WHEN I STOPPED."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "That one is for the record."
    Capt Jordan 'Raptor' Cross [MedSci (XO)] says, "Doctors you need to deploy to the fob. there's too many dead."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "It's up to you to decide."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "So."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "She stopped when I told her."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "IM PRESSING CHAAAAARGES."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "I only saw the CMP after you were tased"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Okay."
    PFC Bob Huey [Almayer (OT)] says, "Research."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "I wasen't aware the CMP was there"
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale talks into the medical radio headset
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale [MedSci (Doc)] says, "Sad."
    PFC Bob Huey [Almayer (OT)] says, "You got a moment."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale talks into the medical radio headset
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale [MedSci (Doc)] says, "I'm arrested with cmp."
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "Not my problem."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale was unbuckled by Laurencia Beck!
    Laurencia Beck has grabbed Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale passively!
    2ndLt Jean 'Docteur' Corbeau [MedSci (SO)] asks, "How???"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You're under arrest for assault."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "It is actually"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You have the right to an appeal."
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall asks, "MW did you say he was under arrest?"
    Laurencia Beck stuffs Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale into Brig Locker!
    Command Announcement

    We have a lot of dead in the fob. Rally back at the fob and give the one doctor we have a chance to heal people up. Don't go south. There's 2 lurkers.

    Signed by,
    Captain Jordan 'Raptor' Cross
    2ndLt Emily James says, "I was under the impression that he was already under arrest after i read comms"
    2ndLt Naomi Martinez [MedSci (Doc)] says, "Well."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "All i saw was him running"
    2ndLt Naomi Martinez [MedSci (Doc)] says, "I might deploy."
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] says, "They're charging at us."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "But i was aware he was under arrest over comms"
    ARES v3.2 [Almayer] states, "Abuzar 'Newports' Porter has entered long-term hypersleep storage. Belongings moved to hypersleep inventory."
    Laurencia Beck blinds Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale with the flash!
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall says, "Even then that's a quick finger a bit too much, careful next trime"
    2ndLt Emily James says, "Soo i had the go ahead incase he was running which he wasen't"
    2ndLt Emily James says, "It was a pure mistake"
    ARES v3.2 [Almayer] states, "BRIG REPORT: Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale has been jailed for Assault."
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] says, "Not many men at the fronts, sir."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "Right"
    Capt Jordan 'Raptor' Cross [Command (XO)] says, "I know."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Actually."
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall asks, "Even if he got away what is he gonna do? deploy?"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You cannot arrest MPs, CMO."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "Not taking chances"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You may ask the commander to."
    Laurencia Beck has grabbed Easton Shafer passively!
    1stLt Easton Shafer says, "I got assaulted."
    You are buckled in to the chair by Laurencia Beck.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's Easton Shafer's ID Card (Chief Medical Officer).
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] says, "Most of marines are at defensive positions in the fob."
    Easton Shafer says, "By an MP, it's either you deal with it, either provost will."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Only the CMP or commander may authorize MP arrests."
    2ndLt Anthony Murphy [MedSci (IO)] says, "Doctor on the ground went ssd mid surgery"
    The Jurisdictional Automated System pings, "Criminal Easton Shafer verified."
    Easton Shafer says, "And i'm pressing charges."
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall says, "Thats what gets it a bit much, might cross failre to follow procedure one day due to it"
    Command Announcement

    This is XO cross. I have to cryo. You're in good hands with Jean. He's a concious objector, but a good staff officer. Good luck.

    Signed by,
    Captain Jordan 'Raptor' Cross
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall says, "Just be a tad careful"
    Easton Shafer says, "You duty is : to process the charge."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale [Almayer (Doc)] says, "Oh lord."
    2ndLt Braiden Roby [Command (SO)] says, "Welp, good luck Jean."
    Sgt Kiera 'Bombshell' Hall says, "Happens to the best of us, sadly"
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "They did not attack in malice."
    1stLt Christian 'Dutch' Vanleer [Command (CE)] says, "I could fix up the south, with a SG and some PFCs."
    Easton Shafer says, "When I stopped running after the first tase miss."
    Easton Shafer says, "I got shot 5 fucking times with it."
    1stLt Christian 'Dutch' Vanleer [Command (CE)] says, "A SG should scare the lurker gang."
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "Since when is malice a factor."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "Taser slows people down"
    You were unbuckled from the chair by Laurencia Beck.
    Laurencia Beck has grabbed Easton Shafer passively!
    Sebastian 'Exodus' Hale says, "Cmo didn't assault the doctor in malice either."
    Easton Shafer says, "I wasn't slowing, i was stopped intentionnally."
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's M276 pattern lifesaver bag.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's white shoes.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's chief medical officer's headset.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's HealthMate HUD.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's latex gloves.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's flashlight.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's labcoat.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's sunglasses.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's USCM satchel.
    Laurencia Beck tries to remove Easton Shafer's chief medical officer's jumpsuit.
    2ndLt Emily James says, "I don't read minds CMO"
    Laurencia Beck tries to put the orange shoes on Easton Shafer.
    Easton Shafer says, "And I read marine law."
    2ndLt Emily James says, "I didn't know the diffrance"
    Easton Shafer says, "You better do, MW, you are not an MPC."
    Laurencia Beck tries to put the orange jumpsuit on Easton Shafer.
    2ndLt Emily James says, "To me it looked like my taser was slowing you down"
    Laurencia Beck tries to put the radio headset on Easton Shafer.
    2ndLt Emily James says, "And as soon as i saw the CMP come from behind i stopped"
    Easton Shafer says, "I will ask provost to give you better practice."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Your charges are NoD and assault."
    Easton Shafer says, "Paper and pen, thanks."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You have the right to an appeal."

    Do you understand that staff make the final decision in the resolution of this report?
    Yes

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    I don't know what you're upset about in this post.

    I am going to assume it's the NoD charge, or the fact I didn't let you order the arrest on an MP.

    For the NoD charge, I applied it because you were acting unbecoming of an officer and RP standards. A first lieutenant is not going to pick up their doctor by the throat and launch them across the medical facility with their hands, for what looks like them walking in your way of transporting an IV. There was no explicable reason for you to begin even choking them, let alone throwing them. Assault and Neglect of duty have the same timer, neither increased it regardless. Your doctor wanted to press charges.

    If it's for not arresting the warden, I'm pretty sure I explained this in the round. There was no malicious intent behind the warden's actions, she literally explained her entire thought process to you in-game as well. It's literally bolded that malicious intent is required in marine law to apply MoA. Never, at any point, were you even harmed, to my knowledge.

    I also think the warden should be notified and added to the report since you're reporting their actions too (?).

    Please let me know if you want me to answer anything or have questions.

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    I'm not reporting his action or his mistake. I handled it "IC" when my character asked for charges to be processed. It's only you the main topic here.

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    Arrest Procedure
    Arresting a Suspect
    Inform the Suspect he is under arrest.
    Take down the Suspect if he resists and securely restrain him.
    Move the Suspect to the Brig.
    Inform the Suspect of his Charges before the brig timer starts.
    Inform the Suspect he may file an appeal should he wish so.

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    I can expect a MPC to not handle theses steps, but not a MW. No one reported i'm resisting arrest. No one reported i'm on the run. No one will be stupid enough to run TO BRIG. If MPs starts acting like cowboys and tasing for no reasons, theses reports are made to make them remember they play with the rest of USCM community, not against them. That's how I see it. And staff will have the final say about it. But again, Emily problem was handled IC for me. My character wanted to press charges, you refused to treat it. Malicious or not. A MW started acting like a cowboy for no reason. I played an MP before. I don't take my taser out only if I have a clear notification over the chat about a resisting and running. But certainly. No MP is above marine law, your character included. Refusing to process and abusive use of force ... Is not something that should not be reported. You are not discovering the MPs gaming.

    As for the "NoD" charges. You should really learn what is the role of a CMO. You seems to have "no idea" about it :

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    he Chief Medical Officer (CMO) is responsible for the overall health of ALL staff on the USS Almayer. That means you should be in medical at all times, ensuring patients get treated so they can go out to get hurt again. Your job also includes overseeing the research department, which is usually some researcher working on... Nothing!

    You also have some limited authority over the Combat Medics, as you have absolute say (except if the Commanding Officer, XO or aCO overrules you) over all medical procedures on and off of the Almayer.

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    This is the only part about my duty, please stop inventing duties to apply more charges. There is nothing in marine law or SOP that state how a Lieutenant should see, eat, drink, speak or put his pants on.

    If I slap a doctor, it's assault, If I kill a doctor, it's murder. If I leave my medbay and go have a drink with the CL for two hours, it's neglect of duty. What's your next step in abusing marine law ? Putting a desertion charge on a marine because he is in autodoc and not deployed ?

    My duties stops where my "ROLE" tells me what to do.

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    Military Police and Lawbreaking
    Breaking Marine Law as a member of the Military Police is a serious offence, and carries a serious consequence. Should a member of the Military Police be arrested for breaking Marine Law;

    They are to be charged with Neglect of Duty as an additional charge, however this does not upgrade a minor crime.
    Should their appeal or pardon be denied, they are to be removed from service as law enforcement.
    For Minor Crimes, demotion is subject to the wishes of the Chief MP, or the Commander in their absence, and their decision cannot be altered.
    Enlisted are to serve in squad roles or other assignments aboard the ship, subject to relevant Heads of Departments granting permission, or direct assignment by the Commanding Officer.
    Officers are to serve in the CIC unless dismissed by the Commander to find duties elsewhere.

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    This is the ONLY exception about the NoD everywhere. It's on MPs, because it's part of THEIR role to be "Exemplary". And there is NO article in marine law or SOP that says a "Lieutenant" need to be examplary like you are stating it. That's pure invention from you. If I want someday to turn medbay into a drug lab dealing distribution center with the CL, As long as :

    - Doctors are handled
    - Patients are handled
    - Medics are handled
    - Lower medbay is running for wounded
    - Upper medbay is running for scanning xenos, intels and stims.
    - I'm available on the radio for any request.

    My duties are PERFECTLY fullfilled. The only available charge for that drug lab to the CL is : Contraband.

    And again, so you don't loose your time answering about Emily and a doctor, neither of them are reported here : IC matters for me, i throwed him, yes, i'm not complaining about the assault charge or the Emily abusive spam tasing here. IC matters for me. I'm here for your excellent ability of always inventing non existants articles in marine law and SOP. And your ability to refuse to handle MPs bad behavior. While it's "Your duty" to handle them.

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    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "Actually."
    1stLt Laurencia Beck says, "You cannot arrest MPs, CMO."
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    Officer Requested Arrests
    Should a Commissioned Officer order an arrest for a crime, MPs MUST arrest that person. Only the Commander and CMP can order an arrest on an MP. They may arrest and hold that person for ten minutes after they have reached the brig while they gather evidence. Should the suspect be declared innocent of all accused crimes, the requesting officer may incur a Prevarication charge. The time for any crimes the suspect committed as a result of the arrest must still be served, however. The CMP or Commander may order an arrested marine to get an NJP instead of a brig timer for Minor crimes. Should the marine already have been given the option for an NJP but refused to do it, they may not get the chance for another NJP in regard to those charges. An officer must clearly communicate that he wishes the criminal arrested, for the arrest to be compulsory. Any Commissioned Officer who explicitly orders the arrest of a person or persons may recind the order up until the detainment of said person or persons.

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    My character did NOT order any "arrest". Not even a single time. My character repeated multiple times : I want to press charges about an abusive use of force happened "in front of your eyes".

    You refused to handle that charge pretexting i'm ordering an arrest as a commissionned officer. I did not and I know Marine law and SOP like my pocket Crimson. My mentor position force me about it so I can guide brigs when i'm SEA or via mentor helps.

    Letting the staff handling from here, i just needed to explain some critical details about why i'm reporting. And clearing some important points you are trying to missguide them.

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    I don't want to write another text wall for staff to read, so I'm going to keep it short.

    You are a head of staff. The chief medical officer, to be exact. It's implied you don't act in hostile capacities towards your staff without sufficient reason in your duties, let alone physically attack them for walking in front of you. You're held to higher standards, not just by being an officer, but as the head of a department. In my opinion, this constitutes NoD, as I charged. The JAS console even gives reason to charge NoD to officers who breach ML. You were acting unbecoming of an officer, which is backed by admin clarification.

    Again, I found no malicious intent in the warden, who didn't even arrest you, but thought you fled. She walked both you and me through her thought process. I thought it was justifiable.

    After stating you wanted to "press charges" you literally told me in-game to let provost handle it, too. I gave you the pen and paper you wanted, and faxed what you wanted, too.

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    You fully admit that the assault charge was valid. As you are both a commission officer role and a department head, you can be subject to Neglect of Duty charges. It’s not an automatic charge, however we all agree that a Department Head committing a major crime against subordinates most definitely qualifies.

    Management isn’t going to have logs pulled because we feel that both of your statements is enough to render a decision.
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