[02:21:26]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): Hi there! Reaching out to you in regards to a heads up that you were using C4 with a mouse. Could you please tell me what happened?
[02:23:19]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): hey, I was prepping for drop and an OT gave me a rat and custom C4, said to throw it as a grenade and then to use it when in a suitable spot. is that not allowed? had absolutely no idea if so
[02:26:36]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): Thank you for clarifying! And yes, unfortunatly that is considered bug abuse, as is is by-passing the intended mechanic that C4 is affixed to a stationary surface before priming and detonating.
[02:28:14]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): I'm sorry this is a bit of a clumsy way to go about it, but I am attaching the link to the Dev clarification on Discord for you here.
https://discord.com/channels/1503155...12060888281168
[02:28:17]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): okay, had absolutely no idea considering the OT told me to do so. I've never played OT and only recently regularly as engi, wasn't sure it would even work, but the OT was confident in it. honestly did not know it was against the rules. had seen C4 used on corpses often, and didn't know it was bug abuse to use it as a grenade like that
[02:29:59]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): not sure that link is working, will try to look if I can. but I definitely will not do so, assumed if it wasn't allowed the C4 wouldn't be able to put on it like that. absolutely had no idea it was considered a bug or abusable like that
[02:30:20]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): working for me rather, with how my browser handles links
[02:31:03]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I don't know the differences between OT nades and C4 so I assumed it was nothing more than a funny way to use an OT nade of similar use, but now I assume that isn't the case
[02:31:30]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): I understand, sometimes it's a little tough to keep up with clarificatons, and it's such a weird suggestion from the OT, I can see whay you'd want to try it out. I'm going to pin a note to say that I spoke to you on this and let you know it was considered bug abuse, and please avoid doing this again going forward.
[02:32:49]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): okay, I'm confused on why an OT would bait me into doing something against the rules that I had no idea about, and it is cited on a Discord channel I can't see, and not something visible? I would assume bug abused would involve knowledge of a bug and malicious use of it
[02:34:03]
Note was placed on Anuv by ScarletReign at this point
[02:34:40]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): Can you provide me with the name of the OT? I can check the logs and follow up with them as well
[02:35:56]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I'm trying to go about this in a polite way but I'm honestly pretty shocked, PFC Bob Parker says, "Take this wierd "super gernade"" PFC Bob Parker says, "The rat" PFC Bob Parker says, "You want to attach the C4 to the rat" PFC Bob Parker says, "The rat allows you to "throw" the C4 like it was a gernade"
[02:36:14]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): Please don't be too concerned with the note, it's only to record that you now understand that this is a bug. As long as you don't repeat, it won't affect a thing.
[02:37:31]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): if an OT basically commands me to do something, that isn't visible in any rule clarifications, it really comes that I'm the one who has to accept a bug-abuse hit? and I it's very easy to tell someone to not be concerned with a note considering it's a permanent mark on your profile that lasts in perpetum
[02:37:56]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): not visible in any public rule calcifications on the wiki at least, with rulings in the past
[02:39:10]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): had I know it was bug abuse I wouldn't have done anything of the sort, I really just don't understand why the OT wasn't the one soloed out for ban-baiting, I feel like a victim here
[02:40:04]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): the fact that I now have a permanent note for a recently ruled, unknown "abuse" mechanic hidden in the optional Discord? I don't really know what to say
[02:40:24]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): In the case of a mechanical exploit, we always do note if someone has triggered it, even if by accident, as this prevents someone from being able to claim, on multiple occasions, they had no idea. The OT is being addressed now.
[02:42:24]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): okay, and if something is done by accident, like has happened here, I just have to sit with a permanent mark that will never go away and impact future staff behavior towards me? I'm trying to be polite but I feel like I was completely screwed over in every which way right now
[02:43:46]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I understand if you guys want a system to keep track of serial abusers but as someone who tries to stay out of trouble every single day, in every possible situation, and avoid blemishes, I just really am frustrated
[02:44:29]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): I'm sorry this took you by surprise, I hope the link to the clarification answers your questions. The best advice I can think to offer is, to look at what you are being told to do, and ask yourself if it makes sense for this setting. If it seems odd or off, you can always ahelp and ask for confirmation.
[02:45:25]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I figure you all don't want every single novel situation ahelped, and I do ahelp odd situations, but considering it was possible without any mechanical exploits I'm really just baffled in every way. I was told by the OT to put C4 on a rat, and I did it. I don't see how that was an exploit.
[02:46:07]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I've looked at the Rule Clarification pages before, and though I don't remember every single little one, I don't remember seeing anything about C4 with corpses or anything of the sort.
[02:46:36]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): And assuming something is posted in a Discord, is a player expected to check it daily?
[02:48:15]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I've seen players put C4 on corpses, for gibbings or other things, so I just assumed it was possible. I don't understand how I "exploited" something when the OT told me to do something like plant C4, and it was possible.
[02:50:48]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): If it was ruled an exploit then it's an exploit, that's fine, but I just feel completely caught offguard by being told by another player to do something and it turns out to be against the rules, tucked away, when it was presented to me as something to do normally.
[02:52:25]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I don't see how it would be any different than someone telling a newer player to do something knowing it's malicious and ban-baiting them, especially if someone has experience in a role like an OT making a powerful signaled C4.
[02:53:05]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): I'm very sorry to hear this has you so distressed. You can always ahelp to ask about anything unfamiliar.
[02:53:47]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): It has me "distressed" because I go out of my way to make this game fun, and have fun, and not grief in any way, and now I'm getting a permanent mark for it
[02:53:52]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): But unfortunatly, not being aware of server rules is not generally treated as an examption from them.
[02:54:05]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): How am I supposed to know the server rules if they're hidden in a Discord channel?
[02:54:26]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): Is every player expected to check a special unique scenario ruling channel daily?
[02:55:51]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): It's just really easy for you to say to not be concerned with a note when you don't have to deal with the eternal consequences from it. I just don't understand how I was not being aware of server rules when a recent rule clarification was not made readily available.
[02:56:39]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): There are rule clarifications on the server page, and again, I know some but not all. But how am I to check those tucked away in a channel?
[02:58:05]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): With notes, there are generally three levels, recorded- which is a recording a clarification, warned and heavily warned. When we see players who have repeated rule breaks of a similiar nature in a short time, it is escalated to the next level- but if time passes, and there aren't more rule breaks, the notes time and and are no longer considered in escalation.
[02:58:41]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): Yet they're still visible, yes?
[02:59:37]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): I'm very sorry, I releise I may not have accurately addressed all your questions, but the start of the next round has been signifigantly delayed at this point. Could we continue this later?
[02:59:37]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I don't want to debate notes, nor their permanent duration, or the impact they have on WL/staff rulings, even if a "recording" or whatnot. I just don't understand how I'm the one getting in trouble for an unseen rule clarification that I was told to do.
[02:59:54]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I want to say no but I am aware and being the nice person, fine
[03:00:04]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): Notes are only visable to the user whose account they are linked to, and server staff.
[03:00:23]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): CM notes are no longer available for public review.
[03:00:24]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): And their presence will impact future rulings of any sort.
[03:00:41]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): And staff also hold WLs, and can reference them freely, am I correct?
[03:01:40]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): The Whitelist Manager is staff, yes. The individual White List Senator positions are not required to be staff.
[03:02:11]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): I just feel I go out of my way to stay out of trouble moreso than what is expected of an average CM player, while still trying to make things fun for everyone, and I get this. And yes. Reviewing apps I see many instances of "well, your note history..." with regards to WLs. I want to continue but fine, just restart it.
[03:03:00]ADMIN: PM: ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo)->Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean): Thank you, I appreciate your understanding. If you would like to discuss after restart, please ahelp and let me know.
[03:03:02]ADMIN: PM: Anuv/(Janice 'Foxy' Lean)->ScarletReign/(Alysia Wilo): My words are just falling on deaf ears, just restart the round