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    N/A - Rule 3, Rule 4

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Yuliy

    Your Character Name?
    Alysha 'Nutjob' Cooper

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    N/A

    Accused Character Name
    Bowser Draken Schwartz

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    04:00 AM, KST

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 3, Rule 4

    Description of the incident:
    Before we begin, let's rephaze the rule 3 and 4's info. I have cut the rules a bit so we don't have to read everything - Included non-related data.

    Rule 3. Don�t be a dick - Harassment, racism, bigotry, homophobia, exploiting bugs, cheating, hacking, and just plain being an asshole.

    Rule 4. No griefing - Griefing is the intent of one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or the server without a valid roleplay reason. If Staff believes that the player�s intent is to grief, then action will be taken whether or not it was the player�s intent.

    Major shenanigans that may disrupt the normal flow of the round are not allowed at roundstart. This includes big or lethal fights, briefing brawls, riots, and massive equipment restrictions.

    Okay, we have checked what the rules are, let's begin.

    At the time when I was a Charlie Specialist, waiting at the Request line, Bowser was an RO at the time. Every Marines were preparing their gears and waiting in the request line. Then suddenly, Bowser commented they will close the line at 12:15 and will re-open at 30. I was so annoyed, but instead C4 my way into, I have directly reported the issue to CO at the time. The CO, didn't seem to know about that RO's sudden action against refusing to do their job.

    This is definate a grief following by the example listed in Rule 4.
    Searching the record of the chat in Discord, following by Swagil's words - Bowser closed it at 12:15 "so he could prepare supplies" then blamed it on XO ordering it when he never did, nor did i

    Also a Rule 3 AND 4 violation.


    Meanwhile, not ending the report over here, I will add up another rule 3 and 4 violation report on general behavior of his.

    I don't know if any admin has make a warning to him, but if they did, his grief of being a "Blun, straight Asshole" is continuing. By just simply making a search, "Bowser" on Discord, there are 120 search results and in recent 1 month, almost all of the search result are complaining Bowser's blunt-asshole behavior.
    From what I have seen, they are abusing the IC SoP/Rank system/Marine Laws. But even then if they may claim "I was just following the rules ICly", it is completely avoidable and able to continue their grief and being an asshole which made peoples not to make a report against his grief and being a dick towards the peoples.
    This has included as an XO, MP and RO on previous rounds also.

    One day, lesser than a month and even a week, he have closed the Request line at the time of 12:08 as an XO. This have made a massive anger to general Marine users and actually making Marines to munity against him and to general commands. I was the witness and the one who was involved as a CMP. As this one I had to leave the round early, I couldn't make a report of his behavior. However, mentioning this incident in this current report will support my report against his general behavior. Witness was Avalanche and 'Ice', each was a PFC and CO at the time when Bowser abused his rank and power to grief as an XO.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Simply making a search on Discord, "Bowser", will reveal the general game player's complaints about Bowser's bad behavior.

    How you would punish the accused:
    Job banning from all command roles, MP and cargo tech to prevent them being a griefer. All Command roles, MP and cargo technician can result a massive damage to the Marine forces by simply griefing and abusing their ranks and their abilities WHICH they are actually doing it even from nowdays.
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    Was present for this. RO closed the lines while a good number of marines were still waiting to get served. As an officer, they also ordered the arrests of a fair few marines who complained about the closure, taking them out of the round, as well as (iirc) ordering the arrest of a SO. The RO was later arrested by the CMP for NoD after failing to supply anyone.

    Either he doesn't know how the role is supposed to be used amd needs a hand, or enjoys toeing the line to rile people up.

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    Pulled some logs for now will search for XO logs later, can anyone tell me who the XO was?

    Spoiler Spoiler:
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    Found the XO
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    Hello, Quill-Weave here. Here's my side of what happened.

    TL;DR: hey man i wasn't trying to fuck the server

    >at the time... refusing to do their job

    I distinctly recalled the XO allowing me to close the line, IC. Upon inspection of the logs presented by the administrator, it appears that I was in error in that regard. I had wanted the CTs to attend the Briefing so they knew what kind of equipment that the marines would need upon deployment. If it is something that is usually and exclusively handled over the radio, then I was in the wrong for closing Requisitions.

    >This is a definite grief...nor did i

    It is up to the people arbitrating this report as to whether my IC reason was valid or not. In the meantime, I had planned on organizing my technicians to find good seating in the Briefing Room so they could hear the briefing as it happened, and had the intention of preparing each squad's supply drop in advance.

    However, the CO had entered Requisitions and re-opened the department without contacting me beforehand. Since he was manning the table, and Briefing was happening, I went to attend Briefing.

    This was around when an MP arrested me for Neglect of Duty. I had considered making an appeal, but then refused, only giving my opinion that caving in to Marine demands only undermined the authority of the command staff on the vessel. Many of them had called me a cunt and other derogatory, rude things, for closing the department. I also did not give marines unreasonable amounts of equipment, as it was my right as Requisitions Officer to determine who gets what.

    It was not an active or passive attempt to antagonize people. Attachments and equipment are a privilege, not a right.

    While I was brigged, I was told that I could go do a fax before returning to duty. I went and spoke with a doctor about signing some paperwork for medical leave. We had some hilarious roleplaying about the previous five Requisitions Officers suffering from depression, anxiety, and paranoia due to how violent the marines are towards them. But I was then arrested, again. During my arrest, I asked about Marine Law and the medical aspects of it, and also ahelped Imperator_Titan about it.

    Titan said that it only covered physical harm, and so I accepted my sentence without further question. The CO demoted me to Squad Marine, and the xenos hit the ship. I managed to kill two of them by myself, and one of them with the help of other marines.

    I then died.

    That is how the round went for me. My only OOC issue was whether Marine Law covered psychological health or not. Knowing the staff member's ruling, I did not object to my treatment. If I had felt it was too egregious, I would have just faxed High Command about it.

    >Meanwhile, not ending...grief as an XO

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I am horrible with cliques. Yes, CM has it's own community fads, trends, and things of that sort, but I am genuinely troubled with anything that isn't very by-the-book. I have never been known for being cool or popular, or for being very good at sticking to the current trend at the time, so I do not keep up to date with them. There are some exceptions, of course - in the case of CM, there's trends such as base design, strategies for pushes, and other simpler concepts that I can pick up on relatively easily.

    Do not confuse this for me not caring about what people think of me. The name-calling gets old, and Bowser is just a character. Not me, the person. A character. I play other characters, too.

    Now, let's talk about 12:08. The Captain of that round was a member of the server staff, and had left me in charge after I made my starting announcement. I had wanted the marines to attend the briefing, then deploy at 12:25. Instead, they assumed that it meant no equipment and went on a massive mutiny. (this may have involved me ordering the MPs to make the marines fighting for their line space disperse, or the CO's shenanigans with Requisitions, which I myself don't know the full story on.)

    To the delight and confusion of everyone involved, this round was also the first victory against the Xenomorphs with the strain update, and beloved by most of the marines involved with it. The person who I had executed even had a ton of fun. Despite the chaos that the round had brought, the parties involved, for the most part, felt good about it. I had also kept in touch with the staff at the time. I have screenshots of the chat from that round, if they help? (They're a huge pain in the keester to upload, though.)

    >An addendum, from Quill-Weave

    I am unaware of the goings-on on the Discord. For the most part, I lurk on there to DM staff members and friendly players. Because of this, I have not went through the process to get full access.

    I would also like to point out that the player who is making this report has called me a cunt at roundstart for taking the materials as Chief Engineer. I have ahelped about this problem on multiple occasions, along with her refusing to follow orders, being rude and abrasive, and generally treating me poorly for petty reasons. It has become routine and has made me very uncomfortable as a player. I understand if it's in-character, but it has been a consistent issue and is making me feel very anxious about playing the game with them.

    That being said, I hope that this report is because they feel that I am trying to antagonize the server, and not because of a personal and sudden vendetta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quill-Weave View Post
    Hello, Quill-Weave here. Here's my side of what happened.

    TL;DR: hey man i wasn't trying to fuck the server

    >at the time... refusing to do their job

    I distinctly recalled the XO allowing me to close the line, IC. Upon inspection of the logs presented by the administrator, it appears that I was in error in that regard. I had wanted the CTs to attend the Briefing so they knew what kind of equipment that the marines would need upon deployment. If it is something that is usually and exclusively handled over the radio, then I was in the wrong for closing Requisitions.

    >This is a definite grief...nor did i

    It is up to the people arbitrating this report as to whether my IC reason was valid or not. In the meantime, I had planned on organizing my technicians to find good seating in the Briefing Room so they could hear the briefing as it happened, and had the intention of preparing each squad's supply drop in advance.

    However, the CO had entered Requisitions and re-opened the department without contacting me beforehand. Since he was manning the table, and Briefing was happening, I went to attend Briefing.

    This was around when an MP arrested me for Neglect of Duty. I had considered making an appeal, but then refused, only giving my opinion that caving in to Marine demands only undermined the authority of the command staff on the vessel. Many of them had called me a cunt and other derogatory, rude things, for closing the department. I also did not give marines unreasonable amounts of equipment, as it was my right as Requisitions Officer to determine who gets what.

    It was not an active or passive attempt to antagonize people. Attachments and equipment are a privilege, not a right.

    While I was brigged, I was told that I could go do a fax before returning to duty. I went and spoke with a doctor about signing some paperwork for medical leave. We had some hilarious roleplaying about the previous five Requisitions Officers suffering from depression, anxiety, and paranoia due to how violent the marines are towards them. But I was then arrested, again. During my arrest, I asked about Marine Law and the medical aspects of it, and also ahelped Imperator_Titan about it.

    Titan said that it only covered physical harm, and so I accepted my sentence without further question. The CO demoted me to Squad Marine, and the xenos hit the ship. I managed to kill two of them by myself, and one of them with the help of other marines.

    I then died.

    That is how the round went for me. My only OOC issue was whether Marine Law covered psychological health or not. Knowing the staff member's ruling, I did not object to my treatment. If I had felt it was too egregious, I would have just faxed High Command about it.

    >Meanwhile, not ending...grief as an XO

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I am horrible with cliques. Yes, CM has it's own community fads, trends, and things of that sort, but I am genuinely troubled with anything that isn't very by-the-book. I have never been known for being cool or popular, or for being very good at sticking to the current trend at the time, so I do not keep up to date with them. There are some exceptions, of course - in the case of CM, there's trends such as base design, strategies for pushes, and other simpler concepts that I can pick up on relatively easily.

    Do not confuse this for me not caring about what people think of me. The name-calling gets old, and Bowser is just a character. Not me, the person. A character. I play other characters, too.

    Now, let's talk about 12:08. The Captain of that round was a member of the server staff, and had left me in charge after I made my starting announcement. I had wanted the marines to attend the briefing, then deploy at 12:25. Instead, they assumed that it meant no equipment and went on a massive mutiny. (this may have involved me ordering the MPs to make the marines fighting for their line space disperse, or the CO's shenanigans with Requisitions, which I myself don't know the full story on.)

    To the delight and confusion of everyone involved, this round was also the first victory against the Xenomorphs with the strain update, and beloved by most of the marines involved with it. The person who I had executed even had a ton of fun. Despite the chaos that the round had brought, the parties involved, for the most part, felt good about it. I had also kept in touch with the staff at the time. I have screenshots of the chat from that round, if they help? (They're a huge pain in the keester to upload, though.)

    >An addendum, from Quill-Weave

    I am unaware of the goings-on on the Discord. For the most part, I lurk on there to DM staff members and friendly players. Because of this, I have not went through the process to get full access.

    I would also like to point out that the player who is making this report has called me a cunt at roundstart for taking the materials as Chief Engineer. I have ahelped about this problem on multiple occasions, along with her refusing to follow orders, being rude and abrasive, and generally treating me poorly for petty reasons. It has become routine and has made me very uncomfortable as a player. I understand if it's in-character, but it has been a consistent issue and is making me feel very anxious about playing the game with them.

    That being said, I hope that this report is because they feel that I am trying to antagonize the server, and not because of a personal and sudden vendetta.
    First off on the last quote - That being said, I hope that this report is because they feel that I am trying to antagonize the server, and not because of a personal and sudden vendetta.

    On the Rule section 4, Griefing is the intent of one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or the server without a valid roleplay reason. If Staff believes that the player�s intent is to grief, then action will be taken whether or not it was the player�s intent.
    That is not the thing you can decide it or not.

    Also, the sentence you have mentioned. - I have never been known for being cool or popular, or for being very good at sticking to the current trend at the time, so I do not keep up to date with them.

    lots of Users are SERIOUSLY complaining about your bad behavior not only on Discord, but also in the game, antagonizing and griefing weather if it was your purpose or not. Almost as a meme, on this rate. (So, yes. If that was your plan being a meme and a bad, popular example of the 'bad player', congradulations, you have made it.)

    Lastly on the mentions about the MT/CE complainment, that has been handled by admin to stop in-game already. So I stopped instantly when they requested. If you have something to say about more, you can make a report page on there, not here where we are currently discussing about YOUR'S, not MINE.

    That is all I want to say. The rest of decision upon the incident will be up to the admins by checking the record and the Discord's records about your bad behavior.

    Edit - I distinctly recalled the XO allowing me to close the line, IC. Upon inspection of the logs presented by the administrator, it appears that I was in error in that regard. I had wanted the CTs to attend the Briefing so they knew what kind of equipment that the marines would need upon deployment. If it is something that is usually and exclusively handled over the radio, then I was in the wrong for closing Requisitions.
    Right away copy from the words you said, and now you can check the logs the admin uploaded.
    No. XO doesn't even told you to close the request line. Which means, you made the lie even there's a record about it.
    Last edited by Yuliy; 03-14-2019 at 02:35 PM. Reason: Checked the logs lately. Adding up.

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    I was Sven Gustav during this round, Captain.

    Basically, I announced briefing at 12:20, and RO closed up all lines at 12:15 to "re-organize supplies" or something. I was trying to do my briefing when Charlie Spec told me about this alongside other marines, so I had to stop briefing and ask XO to do briefing as I forcibly opened RO lines and began helping out. On top of all of this I had to deal with command chatter where the RO was asking for the arrest of people insulting him. He had a few SO's and marines arrested due to marines being understandably upset, and when I ordered his arrest and talked to him later, he blamed everything on XO and myself (when we didn't order shit).

    I then had to deal with him claiming depression to get out of a jail sentence to the point that I finally got CMP to demote the RO, as he was a complete nuisance, did not want to do his job, and was essentially soft griefing. I was already contemplated BEing him but the CMP had him in custody so I let CMP deal with him. Especially since all marines are supposed to have passed psych and physical evaluations, so the RO wouldn't get depressed from being brigged for neglect of duty.

    TL;Dr Bowser's bullshit was essentially soft griefing and derailed the round, making it very difficult to command the marines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagile View Post
    I was Sven Gustav during this round, Captain.

    Basically, I announced briefing at 12:20, and RO closed up all lines at 12:15 to "re-organize supplies" or something. I was trying to do my briefing when Charlie Spec told me about this alongside other marines, so I had to stop briefing and ask XO to do briefing as I forcibly opened RO lines and began helping out. On top of all of this I had to deal with command chatter where the RO was asking for the arrest of people insulting him. He had a few SO's and marines arrested due to marines being understandably upset, and when I ordered his arrest and talked to him later, he blamed everything on XO and myself (when we didn't order shit).

    I then had to deal with him claiming depression to get out of a jail sentence to the point that I finally got CMP to demote the RO, as he was a complete nuisance, did not want to do his job, and was essentially soft griefing. I was already contemplated BEing him but the CMP had him in custody so I let CMP deal with him. Especially since all marines are supposed to have passed psych and physical evaluations, so the RO wouldn't get depressed from being brigged for neglect of duty.

    TL;Dr Bowser's bullshit was essentially soft griefing and derailed the round, making it very difficult to command the marines.
    I do not recall the last on after arrest, from "I then had to deal with..." to "...from being brigged for neglect of duty." Can we get the record about it? I think it's out of the "Role play standards" from Marines.

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    Oh, right. Almost forgot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Quill-Weave View Post

    >Meanwhile, not ending...grief as an XO

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I am horrible with cliques. Yes, CM has it's own community fads, trends, and things of that sort, but I am genuinely troubled with anything that isn't very by-the-book. I have never been known for being cool or popular, or for being very good at sticking to the current trend at the time, so I do not keep up to date with them. There are some exceptions, of course - in the case of CM, there's trends such as base design, strategies for pushes, and other simpler concepts that I can pick up on relatively easily.

    Do not confuse this for me not caring about what people think of me. The name-calling gets old, and Bowser is just a character. Not me, the person. A character. I play other characters, too.

    Now, let's talk about 12:08. The Captain of that round was a member of the server staff, and had left me in charge after I made my starting announcement. I had wanted the marines to attend the briefing, then deploy at 12:25. Instead, they assumed that it meant no equipment and went on a massive mutiny. (this may have involved me ordering the MPs to make the marines fighting for their line space disperse, or the CO's shenanigans with Requisitions, which I myself don't know the full story on.)

    To the delight and confusion of everyone involved, this round was also the first victory against the Xenomorphs with the strain update, and beloved by most of the marines involved with it. The person who I had executed even had a ton of fun. Despite the chaos that the round had brought, the parties involved, for the most part, felt good about it. I had also kept in touch with the staff at the time. I have screenshots of the chat from that round, if they help? (They're a huge pain in the keester to upload, though.)
    About the thing that you, yourself have mentioned.

    Do not confuse this for me not caring about what people think of me. The name-calling gets old, and Bowser is just a character. Not me, the person. A character. I play other characters, too.

    Yes, you have stated this by yourself that only in character, as Bowser is acting bad.

    Yes. We know that at the time you closed the Request line as an XO, you weren't Bowser but using another character to grief. This has been checked by the admin.

    I will use this as another evidence that the user's intention is actually griefing and tried to avoid the public blame towards him to grief by using unfamiliar, new characters.

    Also. The time you have mentioned that you were closing line at 12:08 and thinking of deploying 12:25? I, as a witness at the time, can say it is a lie. You were planning to drop in 12:15 even when only very, very few amount of Marines were geared up in pristine condition.
    You might think that if Marines won, your faulty will be eased out.
    Simply to say, No.
    We don't care weather we won or not in this player report. What matter is that you have done a grief that made the huge impact on the round. Even then if you think winning matters, it's because of Marines doing their best DESPITE your grief as an XO. Not because of you.

    As an advise, it is always opened to upload the screenshot about the chat record to defend yourself. However cutting it and adjusting the chat record might gonna make a bad influence of the usage as the evidence. And of course, get yourself into a massive trouble as a liar.
    Last edited by Yuliy; 03-15-2019 at 12:10 AM. Reason: Grammar error

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuliy View Post
    Oh, right. Almost forgot.



    About the thing that you, yourself have mentioned.

    Do not confuse this for me not caring about what people think of me. The name-calling gets old, and Bowser is just a character. Not me, the person. A character. I play other characters, too.

    Yes, you have stated this by yourself that only in character, as Bowser is acting bad.

    Yes. We know that at the time you closed the Request line as an XO, you weren't Bowser but using another character to grief. This has been checked by the admin.

    I will use this as another evidence that the user's intention is actually griefing and tried to avoid the public blame towards him to grief by using unfamiliar, new characters.

    Also. The time you have mentioned that you were closing line at 12:08 and thinking of deploying 12:25? I, as a witness at the time, can say it is a lie. You were planning to drop in 12:15 even when only very, very few amount of Marines were geared up in pristine condition.
    You might think that if Marines won, your faulty will be eased out.
    Simply to say, No.
    We don't care weather we won or not in this player report. What matter is that you have done a grief that made the huge impact on the round. Even then if you think winning matters, it's because of Marines doing their best DESPITE your grief as an XO. Not because of you.

    As an advise, it is always opened to upload the screenshot about the chat record to defend yourself. However cutting it and adjusting the chat record might gonna make a bad influence of the usage as the evidence. And of course, get yourself into a massive trouble as a liar.
    If I recall correctly (and I probably don't) I rescheduled the deployment to a later time. Not that it matters, seeing as how the mutiny happened. Spotty memory does not make a person a liar. Making dumb choices does not make a person a liar. I would appreciate it if you stopped attacking my character as a person because I have been stupid.

    I'm not very experienced with some command roles. Sure, occasionally I do a gimmick, but it's not to antagonize the people who I play with. A lot of people play under the impression that they're entitled to certain things out of a round. But every round is different, and there's a fine line between wanting to antagonize people, and wanting to experiment as a member of command. (Of course, CMP is an exception. If you do not go by Marine Law, you risk a ban.)

    It's impossible to learn a role unless you try new things on occasion. Experiment. If the marines mutiny over it, it's probably a bad idea. How can a person do better at their job if they don't learn what not to do? If a player is banned from command for being stupid, they will never learn how to lead.

    Of course, there are exceptions - such as a SO or other role that constantly does things that could be considered as mass grief, such as OBing the marines multiple times in a round with supply drop coordinates, or a pilot firing CAS on flares without confirming they're safe or not. A person's actions can be frustrating, yes, but sometimes, they can end a player's round if they act poorly. What I have done are cases of incompetence. I haven't been killing people. (Outside of lawful executions.) It's one thing to feel entitled to a round functioning in a certain way and not getting it. It's another thing entirely to permanently remove people from a round because of mistakes or willingly deny marines resources that they need to win. Which, I will state, was never my intention.

    Some ROs just vend all the attachments and items and let the marines self-serve. Others organize who gets what. In my case, I wanted to give stuff out till Req was going to attend briefing, set up supply drops (which to be frank, likely wouldn't take till 12:30 - it was a guesstimate) and then re-open Req. That obviously led to a lot of angry people. So, it's best not to do that again, plain and simple. Learning through experience.

    Same goes for the XO thing. It was also my second round playing the XO in a very long time. I thought that an early briefing to get an idea of squad objectives would help people organize their equipment better and put less strain on requisitions. There are alternatives that I have looked into which are worth doing, so if I play XO in the future, I will try them out.
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