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  1. #21
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    Just don�t vote ice.

    Or leave until round over at least that�s what people do

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    Remove ice just because it's a bad map, not because it crashes.
    Former staff, also former Synthetic senator.

    Now just a shitposter and lurker.

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    What happened to our other maps? if you need a replacement map, just take the sulaco, add some stuff to it, and fuck it all up. Its not like we ever even see that thing.

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    To type it out a bit more.

    Prison crashed for a bit and we did not remove it either.
    We are doing our best to fix current issues.
    The map will not be removed because the community asks for it.
    If it will be removed out of the rotation it's because we as a dev team think it is best.
    Currently that is not so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awan View Post
    To type it out a bit more.

    Prison crashed for a bit and we did not remove it either.
    We are doing our best to fix current issues.
    The map will not be removed because the community asks for it.
    If it will be removed out of the rotation it's because we as a dev team think it is best.
    Currently that is not so.
    So... Basically... Doesn't matter what community thinks? Thank god that community doesn't play, or else it would be pretty bad.

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    I don't have anything particularly constructive to say about Ice, I just fucking hate Ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CABAL View Post
    So... Basically... Doesn't matter what community thinks? Thank god that community doesn't play, or else it would be pretty bad.
    if the community in general was majority in favour of ice getting removed they'd just never vote for it. as it stands it doesn't get voted for super often but it has some redeeming qualities and occasionally people are in the mood for it. As much as I hate prison I don't genuinely expect it to get removed because there are enough (wrong) people who genuinely enjoy it.

    that said it's pretty dumb to not temporarily disable a map that reliably crashes before deployment

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    Both Prison and Ice have their nuances. So far Prison's hottest spots are above and around crashed ship, the route to the chapel or research area, and the route from engineering to Tcomms. Along side those canteen looks to be a free skrimish area between those routes. This makes a fine example on how Ice can improve. The colony has no key spots other than Bar and Tcomms for Marines. Add in the fact the speed of xenos and that basically 'grays out' the map usage. Ice doesn't have hot spots except where the Marines build so Ice could use the work.

    I do agree with the ladder camping on all fronts. It really doesn't encourage creative play on the xeno side, nor that suspense play on the marine side. So the map needs work, but peeps should get creative with the map a bit beforehand

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    Quote Originally Posted by CABAL View Post
    So... Basically... Doesn't matter what community thinks? Thank god that community doesn't play, or else it would be pretty bad.
    In general. No, even if the entire community thinks situation A or B is (not) a rulebreak it has has never been the community that decided that.
    We do get feedback in our own ways. And listen in our own ways. But in the end the community wanting something is not a reason for doing things.
    To elaborate on that.

    Cm is not a popularity contest. The person you like the most is not the person that is right.
    We develop the game and what you think is best might not be what we think is best.
    In the end, we have people who actually are professionals in the branch on staff.

    We are the development team.
    Sorry, but we are the ones who make this game.
    Anything the team does not want to do wont happen.
    I know the above is a bit harsh/direct but it's the truth.
    That's just reality. It is our position to develop and make choices.
    It is what we are here for and what we are good at.
    You can be a great player but that does not equal having good or usefull suggestions.
    Maybe dev's play the game less. But we discuss it way more then any other player.
    I also do not wake up thinking let's nerf the marines.
    We discuss our changes and have a team that has several opinions on nearly everything.

    And nearly all game developers do not play their own game.
    You can google that if you do not believe it.
    It also says nothing about our development skills.
    There are loads of actors who REFUSE to watch their own movies.
    That says nothing about how good of an actor they are.

    And in general if we did something just because the community asked for it while being against the idea we would be doing something horrible.
    Even using the argument but xxx amount of the community want's it is a bad point.
    It is so bad it has it's own wikipedia page.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    And then you also have the problem that I call the toothpaste problem.
    If you ask 10 dentists what toothpastes would you recommend and yours is on the list 9 times.
    Does that mean that 9/10 dentists recommend your toothpaste?
    In ads it does. Imo it does not. Because:

    1. Dentists recommend toothpaste.
    Just brushing is already way better then doing nothing.
    It's the concept of toothpaste they recommend not the brand.
    The same can be applied to poeple who are against features that nerf/buff marines/xeno's
    It's the concept of a marine/xeno buff/nerf they (dis)like. Not the change on it's own.

    2. They might not have picked that on their own.
    The fact that the toothpaste made their list says nothing about the toothpaste.
    It can be in there because of the amount of advertising.
    The dentist might just like the taste.
    Or had someone convince them it was good toothpaste.
    It is all the opinion of that dentist.
    In the end many things are opinions here and not facts.
    We are all speculating and we prefer to go after our goals instead of just randomly speculating.
    The dev team also has stats that we gather to better assist development.

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    real heros ddos on ice/prison rounds and stay

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