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    Woo, just woke up and come back to fun stuff. I'll be replying to most of you in this reply and hopefully I can salvage some dignity.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoahKirchner View Post

    My issue with your story wasn't the snowflakiness as all stories here are pretty snowflakey, it just seems like it wasn't particularly high effort, length isn't so much of an issue either, as long as it looks like it took some thought and time, this one looks like you slapped it together real fast, at the end of the day I don't really care how your character made it up through the ranks as long as it's not completely ridiculous.

    I also have noticed that you've been playing XO a fair bit lately, but it's only been for like... Four days? Five? I mean obviously you don't need to be playing XO for two months to understand how it works, but time under your belt is important for people to judge how you play the role, especially when given command of the operation. I play pretty frequently, normally as SL (or at least a role where I don't unga) and the times I've seen you talking it's mostly been references or frantic screaming (which isn't a bad thing, it's just the other half, frantic screaming is to be expected). I wasn't around for your escapades as XO beforehand so I'm not really qualified to talk on them, but I think more playtime proving that you can take the role seriously (or seriously enough) would be nothing but a good thing. I'd even go as far as to suggest maybe making extra characters with which to play XO and not be too open about it in discord or whatever for your next app (if there is a next app) to try to build up some rapport. You seem to flip from HRP to MRP, maybe breaking that up into two different XO characters would be useful.

    It's also worth nothing that while CO has more RP than XO, it definitely does not have more downtime. Everything that goes wrong is your fault, every mistake anyone makes is your fault and it is up to you to fix all of it, delegation only works sometimes and normally when you do it it's so you can go take life by the balls and fix something. If anything, XO is probably more of a downtime role than CO is, but as CO your RP counts for more. Being able to keep the information flowing and continue affecting the round without getting tunnel vision on events is very important as CO, since a lot of the round depends on you ordering things to happen, even if the announcements are just letting marines know what's going on on the ship and to listen to their SOs, or vague "hold while i deal with this" announcements, it's always better than radio silence.

    In all aspects though this application still seems rushed, from the app and its contents itself to the time you've spent playing XO. I've heard from other people that you generally are a solid RPer as XO, which is a good thing, but in my experience I haven't seen an overwhelming amount of RP. If this app doesn't get accepted I'd hope you'd use that month to build more of a solid character/playstyle on which to base the application.
    After my previous CO app, I played XO alot in March, to the extent where I burnt myself out from command roles for 2-3 months. Since I was planning on finally doing my CO app again, under the advice of the CO council, I started playing XO again this week, since previously I had expected my command reputation to carry over from when I last grinded the role, though as you can see, that wasn't the case.

    I am inclined to disagree, or at the very least say it's a case by case thing. In the Trijent round with the magnetic thing, for most of the round the CO was involved in RP things, and only later took a more active role once the retreat had begun. Additionally, the CO also has a tablet, allowing them to make on the spot announcements wherever they are, unlike XO who can only make announcements in the bridge, meaning they will be delayed if performing multi squad overwatch, or handling issues elsewhere on the ship.

    I won't like to you, this application was made on the spot when I had motivation to do. Like my other applications, after a good round, at 6am I felt a sudden burst of energy to get the application done and did it while I was in that mindset. Hopefully you will get to see more over the next few days and weeks.

    Franz was clear and concise in his point there, you may feel you've done enough commanding, but almost everytime i see you ingame you are a spec/sl/pfc. You need a good full month of activity working XO/SO often and well, just doing the occasional SO every once in a while simply doesn't give us an accurate idea.

    The app, the redacted thing kinda throws me off on the story and unlike what others are posting the story IS an imprortant part in the application process, its why we added it to the application to thoroughly judge your ability to get into the role. Please take this to heart, you need to spend all of July rolling XO/SO and spend the time formulating a stronger application and i have no doubt you will get accepted, but ill be honest here. If you keep jumping the gun and applying without enough expierience in the command roles its just gonna lead back here.

    For now -1 im afraid.
    I was incorrectly not very concerned with the story to be completely honest. I wanted to do what I did for my last CO app's story as that recieved on limited backlash due to 1 or 2 details about the process of going from enlisted to commissioned officer, but this time I redacted details to remove that potential and to add a bit of mystery to the character.

    Regarding me playing Command roles, I never saw this as me "relearning" the role but more of showing that I never lost the ability to lead to my best ability over the 2 month break I took from command roles. Now, this ofcourse may have been poor judgement on my half, but I took action now and I either stick with it and wait a month when this app fails, or give up and do the exact same thing. Those are the only options available to me at this time.

    While I do not really care about the finer details like age and the general app structures, I do care about the fact that Commands (and captains) are held to a higher standard of role play.

    With the screenshots presented, I cannot support the app until I see a change in behaviour in the long term for your commanding roles.
    That is completely understandable, though I want it known that the screenshots provided do not accurately portray my usual play style but have been taken from a single round when it was very late for me and I was given a task that I do not usually recieve and wanted to do it to the most humorous standard I can. Like I said to Noah, hopefully you get to see me in game a bit more soon.

    You throw your toys out of the pram to the point that staff don�t want to deal with you anymore when we tell you a majority of the time no rules are broken/IC. You cannot be trusted for one of the most important jobs on the server at the moment.

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    Honestly I don't know what I can say to this at this point. I'm sorry that/if I've become a hassle to deal with as a staff member, and I can't say that when I ahelp about those issues, it isn't purely fueld by dchat salt and the fact that I feel like I've been wronged. 2 recent examples of this were when my revivable body was placed under the body of a brain dead medic, so none of the 4 medical crew around me saw my body before it went brain dead, and the issue that I reported where within a few minutes of deploying as spec, my round was stolen from me by a player who can't be trusted to play medical roles.

    Opinion is... your attitude is really the issue. Sorry.

    stay lowkey.

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    This is a real shame since you had directly taken interest in seeing me in command roles and I thought I had at the very least met your requirements. I'm sorry that I wasn't up to those standards.

    I can't even remember the last time I played CM or when I was still in the discord, but from what I've heard you haven't changed a bit since then, still the same manchild that thinks he knows what HRP is and that CM needs it, still the same bitching and moaning about other players. I don't feel you deserve this at all, putting aside your reputation there's just nothing standout about this application, so it's a -1 from me.
    Thanks, I'll try and take your words to heart.

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    -1, No chance from me.

    While people talk about your story I personally don't care for them as they are pointless snowflaky shit in my mind. However you were asked for one and the redacted shit you pulled off is bizarre and pointless while removing details that would have better served you when added, it feels like a half ass to me. Think about all those FBI documents with nothing but black blocks all over it.

    But that's the story, now on to the person. Personally from when I've played the game and spied on discord when you were present has been mostly negative. In game you salt a lot in Dchat and your current report is (un)surprisingly what I also see in game as well. It's not just as a marine but I've also seen some of that when you die as a synth as well which I feel is very unhealthy. This leads to my next point with discord as well, it bleeds into discord after you finish in Dchat. I've personally seen your tirades against people for innocent mistakes and they are not a pretty thing to see, calling someone a degenerate once for an OB mistake is one such thing I can remember off the top of my head. Not to mention you always berate others for not following orders to the letter or something similar. Salt is something we all thrive on and we all do but you bump it up a notch at times and just go ham.

    Now on that last part as well, that is a major concern I have with you. The understanding of what is IC and what is OOC. You always make the claim that if an SL does not follow orders to the letter it's an OOC issue and you often use intimidating words alongside this when you warn players over this. I have a horrible gut feeling that if you became a CO you would make a lot of reports over people not following your orders to the letter irregardless of the situation on the ground. After all shit orders are not liked and going against orders is only really an OOC issue when it's disrupting the round flow like completely ignoring your starting orders or meta rushing somewhere even when the CO orders you elsewhere. You simply are a control freak from what I've seen of you and letting you have commander will only see you trying to enforce what you want out of the game taking away options and possibly fun from other players.





    As seen when you were told to play command roles in general, you insist on it being when you actually are the one leading the operation. Why exactly do you shy away from just being a support? CIC is a support role in the game and functions mostly as an informational relay that makes broad orders and allows marines to work it out as they are on site. Do you happen to dislike managing parts of something bigger?
    Regarding me in the CiC, only half of my recent XO rounds have allowed me to take complete control of the operation. The rest had me performing overwatch, running the ship and in some cases deploying on the CO's orders to perform special tasks and ensure marines were doing what they needed. I do not shy away from CiC work, but I cannot practice new strategies without being given command of the operation.

    Moving onto your other point, it was ruled numerous times that SL's not following commands orders was infact, an OOC issue. And to my surprise, many players were not aware of this, as you can see if you do a little digging into the discord where this was discussed, as even after it had been ruled as such by staff, many people continued to voice their dissagreements. It's not simply an issue of disrupting the round, it's an issue of you as an SL not performing your primary task as a member of the crew. Though it's a shame that other vital roles aren't held to the same standards.

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    last post before i leave

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    So, I was definetely hasty when making this app. It was premature in multiple ways and for that I apologise. I am taking all the feedback provided and I will use it to improve myself over the next month. I request this app be withdrawn.

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    I'm going to be honest Viperious do what Dinkle said, and I believe you could get accepted next time.

    Good luck!

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    Not likely to get accepted anytime soon in the future if you're BEing people as XO.


    Consider what Dinkle said. I wouldnt expect much luck with all this if your still vilified by a lot of players.

    Best of luck next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viperious View Post
    I request this app be withdrawn.
    Application withdrawn by request.

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