Player Report
Your Byond ID? MaximusRex
Date of Incident July 17, 2019
Your Character Name? Jackson 'Shamrock' Dee
Accused Byond Key(if known): Dorkkeli
Accused Character Name Rau'ta H'chak
Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results) 3:00 AM
What rule(s) were broken: Pred Honor Code/Clarification
Description of the incident: So, on July 17th at approximately 3:00AM, I was playing as a Bravo PFC on Big Red. During this round, I had a run in with Dorkkeli the predator that raised some questions about the honor code and unworthy prey. The reason I am making this report is more for a clarification, rather than a punishment.
The incident takes place near the end of the FoB siege. Before the marines were driven off the planet, I was in the middle of the LZ1 FoB when I heard the sounds of bones breaking and screams to the north. I knew that the north FoB had only light defenses and was open into the caves, so I moved north expecting Xenos to be pouring in. Instead, I found Rau'ta H'chak (Dorkkeli) killing a fellow Bravo Marine in melee combat. Rau'ta H'chak downed the bravo marine, grabbed him, and was about to make a break for the caves through our plasteel barricades.
This is when I sprung towards the plasteel cade line, and closed it at a perfect time to break Dorkkeli's grip before he was able to escape with the Bravo marine. With the few seconds of confusion I caused Dorkkeli, I dragged the dying Bravo marine and dragged them into the FoB. This began a fight with Dorkkeli over his prey's limp body. After a brief back and forth, where I fired a few shotgun blasts, Dorkkeli did something I didn't expect.
He fired an HPC at me.
The HPC went wide and blew up off screen, but still, it took me off guard. Since I was both defending a fellow marine AND defending the FOB, I would think that I wasn't considered unworthy prey. I had a few fights with predators previously this round, but they were all worthy fights where I was either being hunted or defending another who was hunted. Thinking that it might have been a misfire or he was triyng to use LPC, I continued the fight.
And that's when he HPCed again, this time hitting me directly.
I'm in hardcrit instantly, max level shellshocked, and suffocating to death. The Bravo marine he was hunting is now DEAD dead from the blast. Quite pissed at this point, I address Dorkkeli in LOOC, telling him that not to HPC FoB defenders. This is where I believe Dorkkeli realized that he might have made a mistake, so he made the gracious decision to return both myself and the Bravo he was hunting to a medic, where we were both resuscitated . However, due to being so badly shell shocked and hurt from his HPC, I was soon after killed by xenos overrunning the north FoB line. Though I was brought into the Alamo and revived, my wounds were grievous, and I had to deal with three broken bones, brain damage, and IB all the way to the end of the Alamayer fight.
Post round, I messaged Dorkkeli and had a conversation about what happend. He apologized, and told me that he regretted using the HPC on me. I understand people make mistakes, and was ready to leave it at that. What's concerning is that he told me that he brought the issue up to 420, another predator player, and that 420 said that he was in the right HPCing me. Feeling something was off, I messaged 420 and a few other pred players and asked their opinions on the matter, and got very mixed replies. Mainly, the confusion was over whether dragging the Bravo's dying body away from Dorkkeli was a dishonorable move.
In the honor code, an example of Unworthy Prey and its exceptions are given:
"Any prey or group who actively pursues/engage the Predator themselves, who the Predator is not hunting/disrupting. This does not apply to groups pursuing the Predator after they have engaged targets in front of offending parties (Groups defending a FOB/Hive or defending others are not considered unworthy)"
What I would like to know is this; How far can I go to defend my fellow marine before becoming unworthy, and how large of a timespan and distance am I allowed to chase a predator after I see them engage an ally? Does trying to recover a dead comrade from a Predator's clutches count as interfering or defense?
In my experience, I've seen predators using HPCs and cloak killing on both marines and xenos that chase them only a screen's length after a defensive fight, even though a time/distance limit isn't described in the honor code. A clarification on these matters would help avoid a lot of confusion and salt in the future.
Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
How you would punish the accused: I'd recommend no punishment for Dorkkeli, considering the greyness of the issue, his apology afterwards, and the difference in interpretation of the code between a few predator players. Like I said, a clarification is all I'd like to see.