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    Hellbarbs(?) - BE usage and baiting mutiny.

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Swagile

    Your Character Name?
    Amira Young

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Hellbarbs(?)

    Accused Character Name
    Lother Jones

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    11:30 to 1:07

    What rule(s) were broken:
    BE usage and baiting mutiny.

    Description of the incident:
    So we start up the round with Broden as CO and Lother Jones as CPT. Im Charlie Specialist and go back to my computer late so I get the last pickings, which ends up being Scout Spec.

    Im in Req line trying to get my attachments when I hear a BE go off. It is later told in Command chat and then later a Announcement that the BE was because a marine assaulted a MP and when told to stop, did not.

    Okay, this is pretty overboard, when a MP can already handle themselves when dealing with someone assaulting them (pepper spray, flash, flashbangs, stun baton, taser) so a BE near round start for this is kinda overblown but whatever.

    Lother then gives his command over to Broden who keeps memeing with command announcements, gives him a medal for doing fuck all and gets it announced, doesn't give proper orders, and later BE's the CMP after the CMP tries to arrest the XO.

    It is my opinion that the CPT in question threw the round so they could use their fancy new mateba and try to bait a mutiny out, instead of actually commanding the troops.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Logs.

    How you would punish the accused:
    Talking to by the Council about this and whatever they feel is fit.

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    Correction, the CMP assaulted the XO and threatened to kick his face in, and then implied he was going to murder him. That is not an arrest.

    That's just what I'm putting forward, though.

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    I was Adams Burns, the one which was executed for 'assaulting a MP' https://prnt.sc/m337sa the MP was beating a guy for saying "Supreme Captain my ass" to the CO, then i just disarmed the MP, just that, i didn't stabed the MP, i didn't punched him, i didn't shot him, i just disarmed, then the Lother Jones just BE'd me. http://prntscr.com/m33a0p http://prntscr.com/m33a5y

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    Broden Ackers here, if you would've actually paid attention to everything that happened you would see that I was the one pretty much doing the announcements alone. I wasn't baiting a mutiny I was trying a new character gimmick which maybe marines wouldn't ''Like'' as much, as for the orders? I gave sufficient orders, they weren't bad and it wasn't to ''throw'' the round. We ran into several problems 1# A PMC event, 2# a CMP that assaulted me. Maybe timing wasn't perfect but I don't see the reason you're reporting us. Surely if the staff actually felt like I was baiting a mutiny they would've bwoinked me? But that did not happen as I wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepy Retard View Post
    Correction, the CMP assaulted the XO and threatened to kick his face in, and then implied he was going to murder him. That is not an arrest.

    That's just what I'm putting forward, though.
    Thanks for the extra information, thats a good reason to BE.

    The round start BE is still in question, however, as well as baiting a mutiny through not curbing bad command decisions and encouraging it in CIC via the XO.

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    Ok as a LT that round I'm posting as a witness, Lother Jones did nothing wrong you will see in the logs once a moderator provides them with the BE incidents you will see the CMP verbally threatening to murder the XO, then with Adam Burns we warned him four to five times and were pushing him away from the MP yet he continued to interfere with the arrest. So Lother Jones dealt with it accordingly.
    EDIT: As for the "mutiny baiting" CIC did nothing of the sort, in my eyes he honestly was blaming the OP on PMCs and also encouraging the marines. The whole round we were being threatened in CIC for no reason the usual thing marines do "CIC IS SHIT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" We gave decent orders as Bramb said and nobody was baiting a mutiny at ALL, you can see the XO clearly making annoucements to try and raise marine morale by blaming the PMCs. But I do know how it looked like some of the annoucements DID insult the marines at first but the XO was generally mad about Alpha taking forever to set up comms while 3 squads were being murdered underground by xenos.
    Last edited by Audi_Gzz; 01-04-2019 at 06:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi_Gzz View Post
    Ok as a LT that round I'm posting as a witness, Lother Jones did nothing wrong you will see in the logs once a moderator provides them with the BE incidents you will see the CMP verbally threatening to murder the XO, then with Adam Burns we warned him four to five times and were pushing him away from the MP yet he continued to interfere with the arrest. So Lother Jones dealt with it accordingly.

    wait.. why not use a taser, or a flash, or a flashbang ? i mean, assault wasn't supposed to be when you harm someone ? like, if someone disarm you sometimes as a marine, you won't say something like "oh, my life was in danger, he could tried to disarm me to death" was just a "interfer with an arrest" the MP's could just tase me, or someone to flash me, cuff me, and get to the brig, i don't think thats enough reason to BE someone, sure, the BE say you can execute someone refusing to follow orders but, someone really think you should execute a guy just for interfering with an arrest ?

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    The presence of the CO has to be respected and understood as the figure in charge. Doing something like what you people did, you should�ve taken it into consideration that you had high chances of getting BEd on the spot.

    I don�t see anything wrong in BEing a marine that is threatening and assaulting your MP while disrespecting the CO. I would�ve done it as well.

    If the CMP who is supposed to be the figure of discipline in the ship is disrespecting and assaulting an officer of a superior rank without a marine law charge or warrant, I would BE them as well.

    I see nothing wrong with the BEs here and it doesn�t look like anything to bait a mutiny. Its simply the rock bottom of establishing order when things fall out of line. Baiting a mutiny would be directed to the entirety of the marine force, leading them astray, purpusefully denying them equipment and assets that would otherwise be of important use.

    And yes, you can BE a guy for interfering with an arrest causing unrest and fallingnout of line under your direct orders and presence. It is within your right to do so and a shortcut to the BS. The BE does not make much sense in a realistic scenario, because it was introduce as an IC way to deal with these kind of issues. Take responsibility for your actions and think in advance.
    Last edited by Arbs; 01-04-2019 at 07:28 PM.

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    If logs aren�t posted within the next 9 hours I�ll post them when I wake up.
    From the brief flick through the logs I saw several disarms against an MP resulting in the marine being flashed and then executed by the CPT

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    I'll edit in the logs for the CMP incident later.

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