N/a - 2,3

[optimisticdude]

Player Report

Your Byond ID?

optimisticdude

Date of Incident

September 29, 2019

Your Character Name?

Kwamba Gbezerabia

Accused Byond Key(if known):

N/A

Accused Character Name

Emma McCain

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)

10:15 PM

What rule(s) were broken:

2,3

Description of the incident:

After being retrieved as a survivor back to the Almayer, I was sent to CIC, before being dragged into a cell by CO orders for "being a convict", without any timer set, nor being given a reason nor a charge by my MPs. I was then put into the Holding Cell without any charges being placed by the CO, when she came to talk to me.

When my character became malnourished due to the lack of iron nor food provided due to the 80-83% blood I had, the CO refused to provide sustenance/food, violating the SOP again. Over the entire round, no charges were stated and the MPs could not provide charges, mandatory based on their SOP.

Eventually, with the help of an unknown Engineer, he blasted open the wall of the Holding Cell, and I was charged with jailbreak and perma, which shouldn't have happened in the first place considering I was not given a charge for my """crimes""" nor formally brigged.

Another round was once again wasted due to the incompetence of the CO which only caused incompetence in the MP staff. The report is only for the CO given that, given my awareness and LOOC chat of the MPs, they wouldn't have done the same as the CO.

After the round, I talked to the CMP on Discord, and she told me that the admin gave her a recommended course of action, and when she told the CO, the CO dismissed her. She also mentioned that the other survivor, who was perma'd at the time, would be trapped in containment during the Almayer attack by the xenos, which is a violation of ML, as the prisoner would not be given a chance to be released nor evacuation.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

N/A

How you would punish the accused:

Suspension or removal, the Captain needs time to know how to properly apply ML and SOP.

[Pigeon]

Was the MP that had to detain him, the CO asked to put him in a Cell at first so natural I obliged until the admins reminded me that he should be in a Holding Cell.

Beyond that no, typically this is silly to try to put the prisoner in a holding cell and the CO should have at least tried to fax a message to get shuttle to pick him up or something and it feels the CO dropped the ball on there end. I LOOCed that I thought the charges were silly becuase they are. I don't want to babysit a survivor because convict must obviously mean he should be in perma or something some COs think.

On the food thing, that was just messing with him as he was in custody so gameplay wise it wasn't critical that he needed to be fed though I did give him some food did not know he needed more food then that. Did say sarcastically that 'do we need to feed him?' and all but the CMP gave no response on it so I fed him an EAT bar at least but as said I though he was just hungry not blood loss super hungry.

The push for perma was also pushed by the CO, we were debating if it was a charge worth perma or not but I believe the CO did wanted you in perma. Asked if you should be in for jailbreak but then was told it might not really stick properly so I asked the CMP if it is truly a jailbreak charge.

Also yes the CO wanted to trap the other prisoner in perma and lock the door even though if a prisoner is not a threat you are to release them otherwise you are to escort them to the pods. The CMP was able to release them though, I saw them as they got them out, so I went to arm up and then got mauled by aliens, we all did.

Logs would need to be seen.

[NoNatasha]

As the CMP, I don't really understand the perma detainment the survivor was stuck in. That was the order we were given after recovering the survivors. I originally assumed it was just for a few minutes to sort out things but the ordered stayed the same the entire round despite me asking several times if the that was still the order. The CO requested a fax be sent for a prison transport and then tried to shove that responsibility on me but while I was still setting it up an explosion happened at the holding cell. the explosion and the actions of the survivor liason made things much more complicated. The liason being the most likely culprit and now the prison was stuck being assumed as involved since it blew up the holding cell they were in. and the CO demanded all the survivors including a doctor who was assisting medbay at the time be also put in detainment.

Me and several others had to repeatedly assert the innocence of said third survivor who was uninvolved for the co to finally let them go but on the prisoner stayed consistent. with the only possible charge at the time being jailbreak even though we weren't sure they were actually involved. The liason was also held in perma for being the suspect of the bombing and nearly drugging an mp when we tried to question him. I have to admit the CO as the round progressively went on seemed to care about ml and operating procedure less and less. With the repeated times they were asked if the prisoner should still be held in detainment and even when I stated the grounds for holding him were very shakey they didn't relent. Matters only got worse when another brig escape attempt was made involving thermite on the survivor cl's cell wall. I was constantly stuck in a state of fixing mistakes, watching over prisoners and making sure everything was processed and in the case of the two perma'd prisoners was not the case as they weren't even processed into the system.

Things for the convict eventually ended not shortly before the round ended, due to a fuckup on one of the mps who was supposed to process him failed to take his meds and he overdosed and killed himself. Afterwards the dropship was hijacked and the CO flat out stated the CL survivor/prisoner should be left in the cell. which is an intense breach of marine law and where I finally got fed up and let the prisoner out and told them to make his way to pods with me. although I was confident In believing he was now SSD and didn't move.

[Bancrose]

The Ckey your looking for is Deadrise142.

And this will be mostly handled by Thesoldier, as a XO could also do this to you, I dont see any CO Guideline related stuff in here.

[AcuteCircle]

Relevant logs:
Arrest and putting Kwamba in perma for �prisoner transfer�

Admin PMs between Kwamba and Griffith:

PMs between one of MPs and Griffith:

Admin PMs between Emma and Griffith:

Rule on permaing prisoner survivors:
Can prisoner survivor be perma brigged on Almayer if he comes with his prisoner ID and prisoner uniform? - They can not be stuck into perma unless they have committed actual crimes during the operation. While it makes sense for RP, simply it's not fun to sit in the perma bring all round. MP can do things like make the Survivor be forced to always have an MP around them or other reasonable actions against a possible felon, but you can't lock them up until they've got actual charges on them.

[Pigeon]

Relevant logs:
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Rule on permaing prisoner survivors:
Can prisoner survivor be perma brigged on Almayer if he comes with his prisoner ID and prisoner uniform? - They can not be stuck into perma unless they have committed actual crimes during the operation. While it makes sense for RP, simply it's not fun to sit in the perma bring all round. MP can do things like make the Survivor be forced to always have an MP around them or other reasonable actions against a possible felon, but you can't lock them up until they've got actual charges on them.

Just want to note it doesn't stay it on the wiki in https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Military_Police#Survivors or https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Standard_Operating_Procedure or https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Marine_Law

So it is hard to find info on how to deal with prisoner survivors from a RP standpoint or otherwise. Now for survivors it does give processing information under MPs though.

[forest2001]

Just want to note it doesn't stay it on the wiki in https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Military_Police#Survivors or https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Standard_Operating_Procedure or https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Marine_Law

So it is hard to find info on how to deal with prisoner survivors from a RP standpoint or otherwise. Now for survivors it does give processing information under MPs though.

For future reference: //showthrea...on-Update-2019

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Per our OOC rules Prisoner Survivors are not to just be thrown back into cells. As long as they do not commit crimes, they are just like any other survivor. They can be detained at the start, but once they are processed they are a guest of the USCM until they are returned to the proper civilian authorities.

The player in question will be issued a warning note for ordering a false arrest.