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    Taketheshot56, Spetr, and possibly others - Predator Honor Code

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Dr. Lance

    Date of Incident
    October 20, 2019

    Your Character Name?
    Pierce Jackson

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Taketheshot56, Spetr, and possibly others

    Accused Character Name
    Ka'tak Val'ar, Do'lash De'Rojak, and possibly others.

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    5am EST Time

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Predator Honor Code

    Description of the incident:
    I was escorting a survivor back to the FOB near the beginning of deployment, when a predator uncloaked and started hunting them. I defended the survivor with a flamer and managed to make the predator retreat.


    Later, the same predator marked me for a hunt. I did enough damage to make him retreat, when shortly later another marine was attacked south of me. I didn't see where the predator dragged the marine body, but another cloaked predator ran into the room and I assumed it was the one that was hunting me.


    I opened fire with my flamer, but it turned out to be a different predator. Regardless, they were the one who attacked the marine meaning I was still worthy as I was defending them. I tried to explain to the predator that its buddy was hunting me and I mistook its identity, but it wasn't one for words and rushed me with a clan sword. It only managed to get a hit in before having to retreat as I did a good amount of damage.


    Later at the FOB, the predators kept going up to our barricades and pointing at me/taunting me to go talk with them. I assumed they wanted to RP or something so I went ahead with it.


    I was completely wrong. Despite being worthy, the two didn't bait me to have a conversation. They both hunted me at the same time, body blocking me into a corner with a glaive and a clansword. One of them claimed that they didn't hit me in this encounter, however even if they didn't they still helped body block and drag me out of the FOB to the corner of the map. The two predators even discussed who would get the trophy.


    I also observed a predator with a Command headset. Obviously, predators shouldn't be tuning into marine comms as it is human technology.


    TL;DR despite being completely worthy, two predators hunted me at the same time. This is clearly an honor code break as the only time you are allowed to hunt as a group is if you are fighting unworthies.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
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    This is up to the rest of the Council. I will have no say in the outcome of this report.

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    Hi.

    I'm one of the predators in question, precisely, the one who bodyblocked you while the other slashed you to death and dragged you away (Also the one who marked you for hunt). I did this because prior to the FOB part the other 2 preds mentioned it was allowed to hunt down the same prey together and we were all considering you unworthy. Due to this I also didn't take a trophy, but now that I look at it from your point of view, I can see I was wrong.

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    I was the other marine with pierce, though i didnt see the interaction with the survivor i met with pierce shortly after where he told me about the preds that were hostile etc. I went out looking for them because i saw that hed been bloodied up at some point so assumed they were near when i ended up going to cargo and being marked for hunt. Hearing over delta coms that pierce had seen them again i went back to where they were and met up with pierce who was chasing/being chased by 2-3 preds (unsure as i was juggling a MD at the time so wasnt getting accurate counts) Knowing i was marked for hunt and guessing it was in the group i worked on trying to split off one of the preds when one uncloaked right next to me queing our fight which pierce came to try and save me from (Ill omit the details of my fight as it dosent play into the current report and may make the pred i fought be cast in bad light. We talked in dchat and both understand what happened between us). I die get trophied and returned to marines to get revived. Upon waking pierce checks me and then goes off while i recover. I dont hear from him again until i get told about his hide being found in nexus. Later on i found out that they had 2v1d him and while not seeing it or events while i was healing at no point when i was active did pierce do anything that would have made him unworthy. We were both marked for hunt and acting only in defense of each other i was even working on intel partly as well as i knew there was a ton around engineering. I can also attest to the fact of the pred using human coms as i observed them for a time. (not that thats needed with the evidence present).

    I am only posting as a witness and fellow marine in this report and would be removing myself from having an official say in the outcome even if i wasn't currently on leave.
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    Hey there! I was one of the Predators during the round, Kre'Zuhl.

    After the marines arrived, approximately around 12:40, one of the Predators did indeed engage in combat with one of the Survivors; Pierce defended the survivor, and the Predator ran away.

    At that point, me or another Pred did say something about Pierce being a "great warrior"; someone responds saying that he is a "great hindrance", and that "we should group up to slay Pierce". At first I thought they meant that Pierce is unworthy, and that he is actively hunting us. However, I did realize at one point that this is not a very wise decision, nor a fair one OOCly, and I did recommend the Preds not to do that.

    I did engage Alice at one point, partially butchered her and returned her to the FOB to get revived. While stalking for more prey, I did see two Preds engaging Pierce at once through mask-zoom.

    I am unsure who used the Marine Command Headset, but I am rather sure that I never took off a piece of gear off of my body. I ended the round by SD'ing.
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    I didn't use the command headset first off so that can be cleared out of the way.

    Onto the issue at hand, I awoke and geared up, teleported down and began going around observing the situation.
    It seems you had been engaged by the other predator earlier, i had no knowledge of that.
    Spoiler Spoiler:


    About a minute after the other predator leaves, im simply rolling on past cloaked and not engaging in any hunting or combat when you attack me with your flamer without cause or any need, I uncloak and stand there. I give a roar, and take a step towards you and you explain "Sorry you arent the one." You then say "Dont make me" and once again attack me without cause this time while im uncloaked standing infront of you after you had already attacked me without cause a first time. I go in and slash you with a sword, and go to make my retreat as you shoot me several times.
    Spoiler Spoiler:


    I go into the radio channel after recovering from the torrent of buckshot and flames and we get to discussing you.
    Spoiler Spoiler:


    A few minutes later i meet up with Septr outside the nexus and we agree to work together.
    Spoiler Spoiler:


    So based on your actions attacking me so far without cause i believed you were unworthy, I didnt see anyone in the immediate vicinity in danger that you might be protecting when you flamed me the first time nor the second time a few seconds later. So based off you attacking me without cause and willfully trying to kill me I viewed you as unworthy. I checked the honour code on this and this is what i found.

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    "If a Yautja is engaged with prey in combat you should not interfere unless given direct permission" I still considered myself engaged in the hunt for you after you attacked me needlessly and gave septr permission to assist.

    We then lured you out of the FOB and Septr again body blocked while i attacked you
    Spoiler Spoiler:


    We then dragged you off and another predator delivered your hide to the FOB.

    First of all im still not sure i broke any violations of the honour code as the honour code specifies predators may give a predator permission to interfere. I searched for anything else in both that thread and the predator rules clarification that stated that was not something we could do. Regardless from where i was at the time i felt you attacked me without cause twice, and viewed you as unworthy. And upon consulting the honour code gave septr permission to assist. Im sorry for how this has turned out but hopefully if anything this report can clear up such issues from occurring in the future. I dont set out to break rules as a player, and I searched as much as possible to find any rule outlawing what happened before hand.
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    You were directly in the area where a marine was killed by a predator, as well as other predators attacking me. It was entirely safe to assume you were the one who was after me. If you wanted me to not attack you, leave the area.

    You claimed I attacked without cause, but I clearly had cause. I even gave you a chance to leave after I engaged you, even though you were most likely the one who KILLED marines right next to me.

    All of my actions were done because you guys attacked people directly around me, as well as when I was marked for hunt. Defending myself or someone does not classify me as unworthy.

    As for the final part, the only time its ever mentioned in the honor code where you can hunt as a group is in the same section you highlighted where you can "give permission to assist so long as they are engaged", where it also says that you may assist in dealing with "Unworthy prey interrupting their hunt".

    When you two decided to hunt me at once, we were not engaged in combat at all. This is not you getting permission after I was kicking the other predators ass. You pre planned my death despite my status being worthy before we had the final engagement.

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    Before we proceed, may I ask why you attacked a Survivor? Whichever Pred engaged the survivor.
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    I walked by power, seeing no combat and no predators and you attacked me, i killed no marines next you whatsoever and never attacked anyone infront of you. You attacked me and i saw nobody in the area but you. And i uncloaked and even after being uncloaked and not attacking you, you decided to attack me again with, once more no one nearby i could see for me that seems an awful lot like you are unworthy.

    After backing off I still felt i was engaged with you and made it my mission to take you down after you attacked me without cause and the hunt for you never ended thus i gave septr permission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taketheshot56 View Post
    I walked by power, seeing no combat and no predators and you attacked me, i killed no marines next you whatsoever and never attacked anyone infront of you. You attacked me and i saw nobody in the area but you. And i uncloaked and even after being uncloaked and not attacking you, you decided to attack me again with, once more no one nearby i could see for me that seems an awful lot like you are unworthy.

    After backing off I still felt i was engaged with you and made it my mission to take you down after you attacked me without cause and the hunt for you never ended thus i gave septr permission.
    I suppose the proper logs will tell the story. Your logs already contradict what you say here. You claim I attacked you a second time, when I clearly told you that you weren't the one who was hunting me and told you you could leave before we rengaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survivor View Post
    I suppose the proper logs will tell the story. Your logs already contradict what you say here. You claim I attacked you a second time, when I clearly told you that you weren't the one who was hunting me and told you you could leave before we rengaged.
    [03:37:09]ATTACK: Pierce Jackson (drlance) shot Unknown (taketheshot56) with a fire in the Communications Relay (<A HREF='?_src_=admin_holder;adminplayerobservecoodju mp=1;X=74;Y=23;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
    [03:37:09]EMOTE: Unknown/Taketheshot56 : <B>Unknown</B> screams!
    [03:37:30]SAY: Pierce Jackson/Dr. Lance : You arent the one
    [03:37:33]SAY: Pierce Jackson/Dr. Lance : Who came at me
    [03:37:35]EMOTE: Unknown/Taketheshot56 : <B>Unknown roars!</b>
    [03:37:39]SAY: Pierce Jackson/Dr. Lance : Dont make me
    [03:37:42]ATTACK: Pierce Jackson (drlance) shot Unknown (taketheshot56) with a fire in the Southern Jungle (<A HREF='?_src_=admin_holder;adminplayerobservecoodju mp=1;X=77;Y=12;Z=1'>JMP</a>)

    Looks like two attacks right there.
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