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    Viperious - Ban Appeal (Discord Ban)

    Ban Appeal
    Byond ID?
    Viperious
    Character Name?
    Johnathan Rathens
    Type of Ban?
    Discord Ban
    If jobban, which job are you appealing?
    Discord
    Admin who banned you (if known)
    Jaketeaking
    Total Ban Duration
    Permanent
    Remaining Duration
    Indefinite
    What other servers do you play on?
    None
    Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones?
    CM13 in the past.
    Reason for Ban
    Supposed "Constant Baiting"
    Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):
    -
    Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc)
    Where to begin.

    So I've been taking a break from CM for the last 2 months to try and retake control of my life and get things sorted. During this time I have tried to maintain a semi constant presence on the discord while wait for an ideal time to return to the game. However, 3 weeks ago (18/10/2019), something happened that I could have predicted. After posting a meme about religion, Challade, who was a trial mod at the time and who is very religious decided to target the meme I had posted and decided to cause an argument over it. I made the bad call to engage this discussion and I am never one to shy away from talking about politics or religion as many of you are probably aware. But, after pressing on a few points about the amount of animals in Noah's Arch, Challade decided to ask the question "How come gay people are prone to pedophilia" to which I responded in shock with a long winded "wow", and then he followed it up with "He can't say anything about it, because..." referencing the accusations made against myself made by people who have been banned from the discord and some that maintain positions in the community(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...a6bd5d435d.png). Now it's important to keep in mind that at this point, I had no idea what Challade thought of me and I had always been supportive of him, even congratulating him on passing his original trial. After this incident, I backed away, screenshotted what was said and passed it onto staff. Shortly after, Challade was removed from the discord (Though that didn't stop him from going on the sub reddit to complain about being banned). Nothing of note happened after this until up until last week, I had taken to calling out Sleepy for what I see as favouritism from some of the head staff when his perm ban was lifted and he was immediately made counciler to replace Lumdor, while there were still 2 other candidates for council that had been skipped over. I was informed by Nanu to cut the low blows to eachother(https://gyazo.com/2177a2010a9e71ce4dde9c8964abd112), to which I did (even after seeing the comments that Sleepy was openly making about me in the sub reddit). Fast forward to a few days ago where during one of my regular browsing of the chat logs for mentions of my name and terms commonly used to refer to me, and to my surprise, I found Avalanche of all people commenting "hey did anyone say underage" and following it up with "@viperi"(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...bdaa4f941d.png), to which others objected warning him to delete it before mods see(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...7426705c38.png). Which he didn't, and which they saw, resulting in his ban. After that, on the same day, I found Mike calling BSP a pedo as a joke(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ce6fd3022e.png), only for Soluble to then follow that up with "BSP is not Viperious" to which Avalanche commented "soLUBLE BRO, WATCH OUT, BIG BAD MODS COMIn"(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1d070af2c6.png).

    Now you might be wandering how any of this resulted in me getting banned. Well come to yesterday, where I woke up at 4:50am, grabbed my phone, and started flicking through the discord, to which I found a comment made by Cipher, which read as "That's marine actually" when someone stated that xeno mains were "degenerates e.g: furries, scalies shit like that" and then Cipher followed it with "both the p word and a furry, i can't say who it is because i'll get discord banned" (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...8-04-51-57.png) clearly referring to me. At this point, I took a screenshot on my phone, and sent to AcuteCircle who I had sent screenshots about Avalanche and Soluble only 2 days prior. At this time I was not aware that Acute had since stopped being discord staff, and proceeded to go on with my day. Over the next 8 hours, I posted a meme to shitposting about Epstein, and 4 hours after that at 1pm GMT, Cipher posted the same meme. Now, seeing this, with the fresh memory of Cipher comment from the night before about me, I decided (wrongly) to comment on the fact that Cipher was stealing my memes, which Cipher shortly after took objection to, referring to me as a "fucking furry", which I took as a green light to respond with "weeb", now keep in mind, I too am a weeb, and after another round of this lightly insulting eachother, Cipher proceeded to say "Whatever, I'm not talking to a pedo" (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3760ccf3be.png) at which point, like I always do, I backed out, took a screenshot and sent it to Acute. But seeing as she had still not come online, I decided to send it to all online discord staff, minus Jake since I did not want to involve the head of discord staff (and someone who was on break) in a minor dispute, but after another 20 minutes passed with no responses, I asked Jake if he was still on break, and when he responded 10 minutes later, I sent him the screenshot of Cipher's comment and then 10 minutes after that, I sent him the screenshot from my phone that I had sent Acute 8 hours prior to add onto the comments Cipher was making.

    Now that I have you caught up on the events of the last 3 weeks, let's move onto why I think I should be unbanned.

    After discussion with Jake, who felt that I was baiting Cipher into calling me a pedo, I pointed out that Cipher who had already referred to me as one the day before, and reported it the moment I found it which on it's own should have resulted in punishment. But 6 hours after the event, I was banned with Jake stating that it was decided we would both be banned, with my ban being for as Jake put it "constant baiting and argument starting". I contest both of these points as whenever I asked for examples, the only one Jake would give me was with Challade, which I have pointed out, I didn't start the argument with Challade, and I didn't have prior knowledge to Challade's opinions towards me at that time. So to think I acted the way I did with the express purpose to get both people banned with me not having pre knowledge on Challade, and the fact that Cipher had already made bannable comments the day before. I cannot be accused of constantly baiting people. Literally 2 days prior to this while talking to Grimreaper, I mentioned I was tempted to try and get him to lose his temper and slip up like what happened in the Challade case, which Grimreaper advised against, so I dropped it.

    I want it to be known that I do not and will not act with the express intention of baiting someone into slipping up or to start arguments with people. I know I have a reputation with arguing with staff and reporting people in game over minor things that my paranoia makes me percieve as deliberate and pre-medidated, but over the last few months, I have sought to change this and hope to return with a fresh attitude.

    I hope you will consider lifting this ban and see that the claims made against me that resulted in my ban are unfounded and misleading. Feel free to go through every comment I have made in the discord in the last 2 months. Though as Jake pointed out, staff didn't appreciate a joke I made last week about me being an admin and bwoinking someone with "Hey got a minute" after they talk poorly about furries in game. I apologise to anyone that this has personally upset as that was never my intention. Additionally, after Avalanches ban, someone asked why he was banned, to which I responded "He played a stupid game and won a stupid prize".

    I will not be posting screenshots of my chats with Jake, Acute or Grimreaper (I posted a screenshot of Nanu telling me to cut out the low blows with Sleepy) unless they are willing to provide them themselves as a respect of privacy.

    Thankyou. Now if only I could put this much effort in my Captain whitelist application.

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    Have you ever heard of MAD?
    It stands for mutually assured destruction. If you attack someone, they'll attack back, and if they attack you, and you attack back, you'll both get punishment.

    Whether you have been intending to bait people, or not, you have been. My advice, step back and read your posts before hitting enter. Never hit enter less than 30 seconds after the last letter.

    You're impulsive, and no offense, very petty and childlike.

    Also stop messaging everyone and freaking out if they don't act within ten minutes. You've probably sent more messages to staff then the next five people combined if not more. If you have proof, send it to ONE SINGLE PERSON ONLY and it'll be resolved. If it's crazy eggregious then, and only then, can you PING a staff. And that's for stuff like porn or some shit being spammed.

    Wait a month. Mull stuff over. You're probably going to always be attacked for bull shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sargash View Post
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    Have you ever heard of MAD?
    It stands for mutually assured destruction. If you attack someone, they'll attack back, and if they attack you, and you attack back, you'll both get punishment.

    Whether you have been intending to bait people, or not, you have been. My advice, step back and read your posts before hitting enter. Never hit enter less than 30 seconds after the last letter.

    You're impulsive, and no offense, very petty and childlike.

    Also stop messaging everyone and freaking out if they don't act within ten minutes. You've probably sent more messages to staff then the next five people combined if not more. If you have proof, send it to ONE SINGLE PERSON ONLY and it'll be resolved. If it's crazy eggregious then, and only then, can you PING a staff. And that's for stuff like porn or some shit being spammed.

    Wait a month. Mull stuff over. You're probably going to always be attacked for bull shit.
    Can you provide examples of me baiting people other than Cipher which happened after he called me a pedophile?

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    Nah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanu308 View Post
    Nah.

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    Can I ask for an extended reason?

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    Let me go over all of the situation: Viperious is a player that posted a pornographic image by mistake. I wasn't a discord moderator at the time when Viperious posted the image in question, that being said the complaint was handled by a actual police officer Soldier. To the best of my knowledge IF Soldier saw something he would have reported it to the proper authorities.

    Afterwards Viperious became a easy target for shit and people loved to meme on him. However harassment is against the rules. People were banned for it but some people keep doing it. Its retarded.

    I'm a very rules oriented person. You break the rules you get the hammer. We don't like banning people, well at least I don't. When you were "celebrating" others being banned on account of stupidity... that's baiting.

    All this drama... its a pain to watch. It drains the fun out of the community. I honestly want people to "Just get along". To make fun memes. Frankly I don't know what to do half the time with this.

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    I'm just gonna let you know you're on the path towards a community ban. We opted to not ban you upon the initial issue that came up with you and if I realized this is how it'd have turned out you'd have just been banned then-and-there. While it's one thing to be the cause of drama, you do nothing but perpetuate the shit going on around you. If you want to play CM I'd advise you focus on that rather than trying to be the center of attention for everything because my patience with you is running very thin at this point.

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    So I've had time to mull it over and I've come to a decision. While personally do not believe that I perpetuate hostility and harassment towards myself, I accept that my opinion is formed from my own bias. Likewise while I find it difficult to understand your reasonings behind your thoughts on the matter, I believe that you have thought long and hard about it. So while I don't see it, I trust all of you enough to believe you when say you do see it. With that being said, I wish to remove this appeal and try again in a months when I am hopefully more stable and able enough to become the fun and friendly member if the community that I have always tried to be.

    Thankyou

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