MP hate is a scam to lower RP standards - prove me wrong

**Nichodemius** · 12-28-2019, 04:58 PM

In my example I showed how LRP can be defined differently depending on the person.

So low roleplay actions is always subjective.
Where does it say removing brig medical tools for AO is LRP or wanting them to stay in brig is LRP? Again leeway.

Point out examples and I'd gladly discuss them but not in this post anymore. Santa hat isn't done by a player it is temporary and rule 0 now it being LRP is ignored done. Let's discuss actual examples but elsewhere.

Department SOP
Medical
The Chief Medical Officer has final say over the medbay and medical procedures on board the Almayer, except when overridden by the Commanding Officer or Executive Officer. They may authorize or prohibit experiments at their discretion,

OK technically he has to ask CMO who usually says ask CO. Technically if CMO says yes they neither need to tell or ask CO. So besides the CO CMO issue it still stands. I'll admit I was wrong about a part and will check with CMO and tell the CO. If the CMO said it was authorized fine no crime. If the CO then tells me to arrest them. I now know better explain why they didn't commit a crime but will gladly execute the experiments.

So you would kick a marine on the DS if they indeed are a desertor they run off or shoot people. RP you indeed remove them. But yeah because one RP thing is bad like Santa hats we can't enforce others?
This is 100% or nothing mentality whether you like it or not.
And even without Santa hats like I gave in my example there is leeway. Points of view so it will never be 100% so let's fuck RP. Remove brief MP remove req just prepick your load out start on the OA. Auto spawn supply drops etc bla bla. Because it is not 100% in a subjective area not even considering Santa hats. What is next new people 5 month training program before they can play? If you want to end up alone go make a server or just close your eyes and dream.

There is variation there is sillyness there are points of view we all make mistakes. I can admit I was wrong with CO CMO point. Can you at least admit and see.
That your 100% or nothing attitude is bad? And That there is leeway. Or tell me exactly who is MRP and who is LRP in the brig medical example. Why and where the proof is. Ignore the existence of everything else because you saying to this question no cause Santa hats no cause training nades, no cause magic marine spawning cryo is not MRP so nothing matters is back to 100% or nothing.

I will break your unending circle or keep showing others how wrong you are even if you don't see it.

Am I perfect no ill learn and try.

**CABAL** · 12-28-2019, 06:18 PM

Brig has a medical subsection. Roleplay wise it is to treat dangerous criminals, now lets say a doc wants those to go planetside.
If the op is going bad like total fubar all hands on deck all materials get used. But are these tools going to make a change? Perhaps a evac should be called.
My point of vieuw as MRP is it should stay in brig. It is there for dangerous criminals. Dragging it to the front is both ineffective and why not then allow every req break in to happen or armory's to be raided? For me while it helps the front it feels like LRP demanding it vs MRP keeping it. Others (not saying its you) consider keeping it hard ass LRP and delivering it MRP because 'the warfront' but we have evacs this isnt a trench war of old. Leave the planet bomb it nuke it come back with more forces cant happen ingame (well nuke sorta) but still exsist in RP reasons.

Why doctor alone wants something planetside? What shit he has to say about it? He has no jurisdiction over anything, so he can't decide. Him suggesting that this tools should be taken planetside for planetside surgery isn't LRP. Someone had to order him to deploy and start planetside surgery, most likely someone who outranks MP. If there is no "dangerous" criminal around, then it doesn't matter that those surgical tools will be missing, since Medbay is literally a small walk away since last Almayer change.

In that particular scenario, where those tools ARE NEEDED planetside and Doctor got order to grab them, it's LRP for MP to not allow that without contacting the command if he got that order and is allowed to take them.
Why taking surgical tools planetside is ineffective? Oh, when they collect dust in never used Brig medbay, then that is MRP and very, very, very effective, right?
Armory is locked, because autoshotguns are considered too good for marines to have, so they are used only in emergency. Benos would cry acid tears if they would be allowed from the start. Any instance of taking them from armory without Red Alert is OOC punishable for "powergaming".
Req exist, because of Apop/Faweh fantasy and now it is so rooted into the server, it became integral part of the server.

Again, You seem to not get it: I don't advocate for 0RP/LRP, quite the opposite, however I'm not blind and I'm not beno/MP main to not notice the obvious problem.
Fine, you can collect trash as MP, but you can do it as MT too. You can talk with everyone and bring newbies to shooting range, but guess what: MT CAN DO IT TOO.

Time to really explain LRP and MRP in short:
LRP is basically disregarding setting and entire character you and others are playing. It would be very LRP for CO to be 20 years old and saying, that he was CLF once. That shit doesn't fit established lore that has walls of text in Wiki. Santa Hat disregards that setting. Excessive memeing disregards that setting and character you and others are play.
HRP would be if we would be forced to do exactly what Soldier in that situation would do. Always saluting to superiors, going exactly by the book in every situation etc.
Acting like a soldier, not decorating entire fucking ship in Halloween fuckorations, saluting to superiors from time to time, not-excessive memeing, small jokes, a bit of leeway for players, fairly "realistic"/"belivelable" world. This is MRP. Nobody in their right mind (that immediately excludes beno and MP mains) would belive in a fucking world where CO of the batallion is 20 years old and entire fucking command of Military (USCM) decided to spend resources to replace standard helmets with Santa Fuckhats. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT DEVS PUTTING SHIT INSIDE THE SERVER! Imagine that: Devs are not gods. Admemes are not gods. Even Host isn't god. Their word isn't law and they can't break their own rules, while wanting others to obey them. They can't shit out paradoxes and ignore them. What next? For every lame shit on the server we will start to say "The Devs does move in mysterious ways. Benomen" and "Staff are their own bastard son, because they were their own absent father"?

Yeah, in MRP setting, if PFC peacefully refuses to deploy, I (as MP not bound to OOC protection) would taze him, drag his sorry as to the DS, fly down with him, wait for DS to start the engine, kick that marine in the ass and fly up without him. It's so LRP to immediately assume that if he doesn't want to deploy, he wil immediately start to shoot other marines (which he can't as it is OOC forbidden). On the way down I would have enough time to RP a bit with him, like Arch Dornan, or Full Metal Jacket Sergeant approach. That would be cool. But no, mister "I'm MP main and I will curl my tail when almighty Monkey Dev will even consider spitting at my general direction" would like to permanently brig that obviously very dangerous criminal, who just waited to shoot everyone in sight, but somehow only peacefully refused to deploy. Those marines are the worst scum, they just wait to jump at your throat. Maniacs.

Try this again: I'm not advocating for 0RP/LRP. All I'm saying that RP on the server is too low to justify MP's existance. Look at the other servers. Look at them. Look at the CLOSELY. Look at the entire crew. Then look at the antags. Then look at the Security. Then look at the round where there is no antags. Then look at the Security. Then look at the issues they are facing. Result? Either they turn into Shitcurity and bust everyone for the most miniscule things, or they just roll calmly around in the bar, drink and have a good time, but after a while it starts to be a bit boring, nothing new happens, so they either cryo, or turn into shitcurity, or alt+tab from the game.
Now look at CM. Now look at MP's. Now imagine that every round is round without antags untill Hijack happens. Now imagine that on other servers, security is here to protect server from antags and no one bothers to chase those who violate dress code (by being naked for example) untill it's like 15 minutes of green alert already. Now imagine, that MP's serve only that purpose, they metaphorically chase naked assistants all day, because antags doesn't exist.

Again, because I feel I have to remind it from time to time: I'm not against just the thought that MP's exist. I'm against their existance without purpose. Their purpose shouldn't be mainly enforcing RP standard. Imagine how much would change if MP's would actually have a job to protect main LZ FoB. They would think twice before arresting that medic, or engineer for throwing training nade into brieffing.

Yes, I have "100%, or nothing" mentality, because otherwise there will be always some asshole who will bend the rules like fucking Bender "Bending" Rodriguez. Either it's MRP server, or it's LRP server. If someone is admeme/devmeme/staffmeme and if he can't came out with anything creative that doesn't involve shitty LRP "silly" shenanigans, maybe he shouldn't complain when marines also can't came up with anything good. If someone is MP and he really tries to go by the book like literall cyborg with lawset, then maybe he should remove that broom from his butt. Ain't that Right?

**Nichodemius** · 12-28-2019, 08:58 PM

This is the last time I'm going to try explaining it.

MRP cannot be defined so everyone knows exactly what it is. There are always area's where one person thinks something is MRP and another thinks it is LRP.

Examples we keep talking about:
- A MP dragging a marine down on a DS kicking him off feels like LRP to me. A MP arresting said marine then his SL takeing him over booting his ass to the dirt.
That stuff I dont consider LRP.
- My brig medical tools example another point where people will be divided on what is LRP and MRP.

Why is this? People react weird in situations not everyone reacts the same so a clear definition of MRP cannot exsist because there are chucklefucks IN REAL LIFE.
This is why I don't believe all chuckles should be banned. Do a chuckle in a round from time to time. Just don't fuck the round too much and don't do it over and over and over and to the same person again and again.