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    Quote Originally Posted by alexpkeaton View Post
    Okay. This is what I've wanted to know. How are MPs shit to marines? And how does it compare to how, say, Delta acts? I'm not being cheeky here about Delta. Delta baits MPs a lot and when an arrest happens, they try to leverage that into mutiny. I'd really like to know here, give me specific examples of how MPs can be shit, and why can Delta get away with worse? And when I say "get away with it", I know Delta is disliked by many, but many take the "Oh, that's Quagmire!" approach to Delta. How can Delta be comic relief to some while MPs, much more mild in my opinion and ultimately attempting to reduce chucklefucking that can derail a round, catch all the heat?
    Well, here's the thing, Delta squad is where all the older players go with all their metabuddies and they jerk each other off until they develop a highly entitled attitude (if they don't already have one) and anyone who says otherwise is harassed in-game, on the Discord, and on these very forums.
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    MPs exist so Mods don't have to do what other High Roleplay Servers do, which is note every player for every LRP interaction. If we didn't have MPs instead of you getting a time out for breaking windows you'd be facing a note. And given how most of the people who complain about MPs still do the same shit that note would become a severe note. Then a short ban. Then a long ban. Until they don't get to come back.

    I'd much rather play on a server with MPs handling lrp stuff than with mods constantly BWOINKING me for shoving the XO.
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    I've been pushing for less OOC intervention by mods for the longest time.

    People fail to understand that either the MPs deal with it, or the mods. And I'd rather the MPs take it IC than mods start sleeping and bonking people.

    Honestly, other than some rare rounds. It's the same 5 people in the brig every round, out of 500 marines in all timezones.

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    OP, come on, everyone shits on sec on other servers all the time too. Find me a server where sec is respected by the playerbase.

    MPs are needed as a tool for the command structure to have just a small semblance of control over the force.

    MP OOC protection exists for a reason too, because otherwise people would go murderboning them every single time.

    Due to that protection MPs have to be bound to the Marine Law, this actually leaves them somewhat easy to grief, since the griefers know that in the worst case scenario they get their lawful 15 or whatever minutes of brig instead of getting murdered, thrown out in space and "oh, mr HoS, that shitter I was pursuing, I think he ran off to mining".

    TLDR: fucking with MPs is just lame, go play some other server for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePirateSphee View Post
    Well, here's the thing, Delta squad is where all the older players go with all their metabuddies and they jerk each other off until they develop a highly entitled attitude.
    Hey my metabuddy was a bravo main, please avoid stereotypes.
    Also in terms of MPs, most if not all older delta players don't really give a fuck these days, I haven't been to brig in decades. It's just some cringy individuals that are desperately trying to revive the le funny delta beat mp meme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexpkeaton View Post
    Okay. This is what I've wanted to know. How are MPs shit to marines? And how does it compare to how, say, Delta acts? I'm not being cheeky here about Delta. Delta baits MPs a lot and when an arrest happens, they try to leverage that into mutiny. I'd really like to know here, give me specific examples of how MPs can be shit, and why can Delta get away with worse? And when I say "get away with it", I know Delta is disliked by many, but many take the "Oh, that's Quagmire!" approach to Delta. How can Delta be comic relief to some while MPs, much more mild in my opinion and ultimately attempting to reduce chucklefucking that can derail a round, catch all the heat?
    Being aggressive and abusive, harassing and arresting for very minor things, giving maxtime every time. I've seen a few like that and I try to do my best to counter people like that when I CMP, thankfully some of them already earned a jban from MP.

    Thing is you can be the nicest and most lenient MP or CMP on the server and you'll still get some PFC main flaming you and his squad beating you down because they got arrested for shooting someone in the briefing room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaddishRed View Post
    Being aggressive and abusive, harassing and arresting for very minor things, giving maxtime every time. I've seen a few like that and I try to do my best to counter people like that when I CMP, thankfully some of them already earned a jban from MP.

    Thing is you can be the nicest and most lenient MP or CMP on the server and you'll still get some PFC main flaming you and his squad beating you down because they got arrested for shooting someone in the briefing room.
    MPs shouldn't be applying max sentences all the time. I like to ignore minor crimes but they have a habit of escalating if left unchecked.

    Some players think that because you won't arrest them for shoving in the REQ queue (less now that we have squad REQs) that they can disrupt brief. MP is like being on permanent riot control, too hard and the Delta goes full monkey, too light and people commit more severe crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexpkeaton View Post
    Congratulations you were brigged for ... what... five minutes? I mean I don't brig for FFP but I guess that it's not the end of the world if people charge for RP enforcement. Well I almost brigged for FFP once as CMP. I enforced an NJP for an unsecured weapon once against a marine who thought it was cool to aim his dual-wielded submachine guns at an IO in the req line. I took him to the firing range to demonstrate proper weapon handling and what did he do but spray and pray while strafing from two tiles away from the counter while a bravo engi was firing his pistol. I said, all right you don't get it, and began to escort him to the brig for 5 minutes. SL asked me what's up, I explained and after discussion released the PFC into the SL's custody without brigging him.

    Still, how does 5 minutes for RP enforcement ruin your round or your attitude?

    ...or were you baiting the MP so you could ahelp? Was that just another "trap card" for someone to activate?
    No, I wasn't "baiting" anyone, I'm not a retard. I barerly have 1 report against someone since almost 3 years of fairly regular playing.
    I was lawfully arrested for other crimes, but then shitty MP started to add charges out of his ass. It happened yesterday, as we know Shitanta Hats replaced standard helmets and I refuse to wear them. PO helmet was just lying in Cryo, so I happily took it. Then I got arrested for Damage to goverment property (but that didn't matter in this case), but then MP tried to invent whole lot of bullshit charges. FPP for wearing PO helmet, theft of a PO helmet (as all MPs know that there is NO WAY to accquire it without taking it off the dead head of PO) and so on. Only Beno Hijack saved me from ages in brig. Everything was "valid". Staff couldn't do anything to shitler MP gang.

    You are aware that arrest procedure and brig timer isn't exactly as long as charge can be? That helmet was even confiscated, so not only I was about to loose additional undeserved time, I also lost a helmet I had no way to replace (even if I would want to put on Pagan Hat).

    Maybe you do not brig for FPP, but shit MP's do. They don't have to, but they do. Since when not wearing Santa Hat and wearing non-standard helmet instead (that looks like helmet that can protect) is something that requires RP enforcement? This is the kind of MP everyone who doesn't main beno, or MP, hates. The kind of borderline grieffing, but still under his OOC shield. You do not have to arrest/apply NJP for throwing satchel at window, but you can and any ahelp will be invalid.

    Did you get it? Shitcurity on every server is bad, here it is doulbed, or tripled thanks to OOC protection and literally nothing to do.

    And I do preffer seeing "MOOC: Stop roundstart shenanigans", because this doesn't put somebody out of the round for 30 minutes, it doesn't give staff brigboner for soft grieffing etc.
    75% crimes in Marine Law literally can't be commited without OOC punishment. If MPs have to execute/perma someone, they basically always do it to asleeped and banned character. What does it say about MP usefullness? Everything they are "needed" to do can be done via other PFC/SL/SO/XO/CO punishing other marines for major (and capital) crimes and MP ERT.
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    I think making interfering with an arrest an OOC issue and not an IC issue would fix a lot of it. You have to ahelp to mutiny but you can just get away with mutiny-lite? It's serious LRP for a squad to just go full riot on an MP because they make an arrest. Delta loves doing that (but are not the only ones) and quite honestly I'm surprised bans aren't tossed around for it because when left unchecked it can completely destabilize the round when Delta claims a chucklefucking card for a (valid) arrest in briefing.

    There never seems to be more than one or two MPs on during briefing these days. You're just not going to contend with 15 people swarming you with the disarm spam NOT TOUCHING YOU I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU bullshit.
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    Cabal, you were arrested for 20 minutes. 10 of which were for resisting arrest.

    Interfering with an arrest is an OOC issue already and you can, in theory, ahelp everyone, who is doing that.

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