Dont know - #3

**JJG** · 01-03-2020, 08:46 PM

Player Report

Your Byond ID?

JJG

Date of Incident

January 3, 2020

Your Character Name?

Henry Hard

Accused Byond Key(if known):

Dont know

Accused Character Name

Alan Jones

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)

2:30pm GMT-5

What rule(s) were broken:

#3

Description of the incident:

MPs were valid hunting like Alan Jones and Jester usually do. That includes antagonizing marines, flashing everyone and everything in the pursuit of one guy, and then arresting everyone that ends up complaining. I was stuck in perma for almost two hours because I shoved an MP once, after they flashed me two or three times while I was a bystander. That was after the MPs started arresting like 6 deltas because they looked at them wrong. This constant valid hunting and antagonizing of marines with the express purpose of inciting mutinies is frankly ridiculous. It has been a meme now for years. I can't even count the number of time this MP shittlerly has started mutinies I dont understand why this is still allowed to continue.

He seems to play this role exclusively to start shit. Maximum punishment is ALWAYS given, and Marine law is constantly spaghettid to achieve the maximum sentence. As far as I am concerned the intend of this role is not to be an antagonist. Yet somehow everytime Alan is an MP the brig is full of people, funny how that be.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

Will need to be pulled.

How you would punish the accused:

Permanent Job ban from any MP related roles.

**solidfury7** · 01-03-2020, 09:53 PM

Posting as a witness.

Interfering with an arrest at roundstart is an OOC offence, and is usually punished by the mods.

It is also covered in marine law.

The person who you were trying to help, was guilty of the following.

Sedition (Called for mutiny around 3-5 times, in quite a lot of detail)
Disrespect of a superior x4-5

So, you decided to interfere with an officer(s) who were arresting someone, along with another marine or two, and then faced the concequences of breaking an OOC and IC rule.

Also, Valid-hunting? I believe every arrest except one an hour and a half in to the around was for MAJOR CRIMES, which you HAVE to enforce.

**Imheretohelp** · 01-04-2020, 02:54 AM

I was an Honor Guard that was spawned in with the Admiral that handled Henry Hard's case ICly. I recorded footage of all the pardon's he handled.

JJG (Henry Hard) case is from 0:00 to 2:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syTVWRB0cfs

Personally I think if he was able to get pardoned by an Admiral so quickly while being in perma, it begs the question that if they deserved perma at all.

**solidfury7** · 01-04-2020, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Imheretohelp

I was an Honor Guard that was spawned in with the Admiral that handled Henry Hard's case ICly. I recorded footage of all the pardon's he handled.

JJG (Henry Hard) case is from 0:00 to 2:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syTVWRB0cfs

Personally I think if he was able to get pardoned by an Admiral so quickly while being in perma, it begs the question that if they deserved perma at all.

Admiral pardoned them because they were in the perma-brig during a long round, which went on for another hour or so, my comments even suggest he has been behaving far better than the other prisoners, which had staged jail-break multiple times, assaulted my team, ect.

However, The marine admits to interfering with an arrest, which as previously stated, is a major crime and an OOC offence when done at roundstart.

It's covered quite clear, marine law is quite black and white in this situation. His minimum timer === Perma for aiding a mutineer, or his other 5 charges he decided to rack up.

**Imheretohelp** · 01-04-2020, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by solidfury7

Admiral pardoned them because they were in the perma-brig during a long round, which went on for another hour or so, my comments even suggest he has been behaving far better than the other prisoners, which had staged jail-break multiple times, assaulted my team, ect.

However, The marine admits to interfering with an arrest, which as previously stated, is a major crime and an OOC offence when done at roundstart.

It's covered quite clear, marine law is quite black and white in this situation. His minimum timer === Perma for aiding a mutineer, or his other 5 charges he decided to rack up.

If the Admiral can exercise discretion in the name of fairness and the enjoyment of the player, why cant you? Why is it grey for the Admiral but black-and-white for you?

**solidfury7** · 01-04-2020, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Imheretohelp

If the Admiral can exercise discretion in the name of fairness and the enjoyment of the player, why cant you? Why is it grey for the Admiral but black-and-white for you?

Admiral === Event role

CMP === Bound by marine law

You cannot ignore marine law, or you're breaking the OOC rules and you will generally be boinked for it.

**Imheretohelp** · 01-04-2020, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by solidfury7

Admiral === Event role

CMP === Bound by marine law

You cannot ignore marine law, or you're breaking the OOC rules and you will generally be boinked for it.

No one is gonna bwoink you.

**CryoDrake** · 01-05-2020, 08:32 AM

I will pull the logs later.

**Arbs** · 01-05-2020, 05:26 PM

Hello,

I understand that you're upset, but everything I did was proportional and according to marine law.

Our first interaction that round was in briefing. I had just woken up as an MP and I saw a Delta marine Vasily Stahl marked for arrest. His charge was Assault with a deadly weapon, inherited by interfering with another marine's arrest. Now while I was performing this arrest, you came in there, trying to pull him away and pushing me away. This is called interfering with an arrest and you inherit all of that person's charges.

It is actually quite straight forward, as stated in marine law. There's no spaghetti involved either.

Interfering with an arrest
To disrupt or interfere with a lawful arrest done by the military police.
Same punishment as accused Permanent confinement

Assault with a deadly weapon
To threaten or use physical force against someone with ill intent and with a lethal weapon such as a sidearm, blade, or rifle.
30 minutes Permanent confinement

I was simply doing my job as an MP, having nothing to do with you, and you just went in and got yourself arrested by interfering with my arrest. I didn't nitpick you or anything. Neither did I actively scour around for marines to arrest. You were actually the one that came to me. I wasn't me who started shit, but it was you. As a matter of fact I'm a rather lenient MP in regards to minor charges. And to top it all off it wasn't me who handled your arrest but it was the CMP.

Now apart from that I also have to call you out for lying on your report as I have never ever incited or started a mutiny for as long as I have been playing in the server. You also accuse me of antagonizing which is something I have never done either as well as I try to contribute positively to the round. The only people doing shittleries are a few select retards like you every round. Not me.

But the only person that's trying to valid hunt here is you, just because you're mad at me for it. Cause you hate my guts, and I don't mind. It's fine. But your problem is not with me. Your problem seems to be with marine law.

Also this is becoming part of my signature. Thank you.

**CryoDrake** · 01-07-2020, 03:43 PM

Logs:

Spoiler:

[13:55:19]SAY: Andrew Nickels : Whats up
[13:55:20]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Right. Let's get this over with.
[13:55:29]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Are there any others?
[13:55:39]SAY: Henry Hard : I have been stuck in this damn cell for almost two hours now
[13:55:48]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Two in cell 1, one in cell 2
[13:55:50]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Okay. Let's start with the LCPL.
[13:55:56]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : His charges?
[13:56:13]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Interfering with arrest, he has been very co-operative, when the others staged jailbreak.
[13:56:23]SAY: Andrew Nickels : He's in perma for that?
[13:56:25]SAY: Henry Hard : The MPs started flashing and stunbatoning people.
[13:56:26]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : So he had not committed sedition, then.
[13:56:40]SAY: Henry Hard : I was fucking abused in here
[13:56:44]SAY: Henry Hard : By god damn alan jones
[13:56:46]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : I understand that. Wait your turns.
[13:56:46]SAY: Henry Hard : For hours
[13:56:51]SAY: Henry Hard : And the CMP just stood by watching
[13:56:51]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Threse two individuals are detained for interfering with arrest, of a sedition, Admiral.
[13:56:57]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : The other individual is detained for sedition
[13:56:59]SAY: Henry Hard : Ridiculous
[13:57:17]SAY: Henry Hard : Your damn MPs flashed me multiple times without reason and I shoved one once
[13:57:17]SAY: Andrew Nickels : Kenny shut up wait your turn he'll speak with you
[13:57:37]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : I think they've served out their time. I understand the plight you all face with regards to this, MPs, which is why I'm here to alleviate that burden for you.
[13:57:46]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Release both of them, effective immediately.
[13:57:53]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : As you wish, Admiral.
[13:57:54]EMOTE: William 'Jester' Crimson : LCDR William 'Jester' Crimson salutes.
[13:57:55]SAY: Henry Hard : I will write a report on thisl ater
[13:57:59]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Release prisoners of cell 1.
[13:58:10]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Right. This matter has been concluded.
[13:58:14]SAY: Andrew Nickels : No Admiral
[13:58:16]SAY: Andrew Nickels : We have another
[13:58:20]SAY: Andrew Nickels : He's under the desk
[13:58:21]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Do we?
[13:58:29]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : ..Is he awake-
[13:58:32]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Right.
[13:58:35]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : That is the individual wanted for sedition and jailbreak, Captain.
[13:58:48]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : I see.
[13:58:52]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : X2 jailbreak.
[13:58:54]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Might I add.
[13:59:03]SAY: Henry Hard : He was already in perma
[13:59:03]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : The perma'd marines are being released.
[13:59:10]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Ah, thank you for reminding me, Lodgings.
[13:59:20]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : I believe he threatened to shoot me along with the others.
[13:59:28]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Proceed Odin.
[13:59:33]SAY: Henry Hard : Just take this jacket off me
[13:59:36]SAY: Henry Hard : Bottom one
[13:59:56]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Okay. So you threatened an MP, -- how did he attempt to jailbreak, exactly?
[14:00:00]SAY: Andrew Nickels : Captain I believe the Admiral deserves a medal for the work he has done so far
[14:00:21]SAY: Alan Jones : No threats taken Admiral.
[14:00:23]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : I moved them all to one cell, so they could talk, as Lodgings was alone.
[14:00:25]SAY: Alan Jones : They're quite harmless.
[14:00:29]SAY: Andrew Nickels : I disagree
[14:00:34]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : They proceeded to rush me.
[14:00:44]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : The Lance Corporal you released did not join in
[14:00:48]SAY: Alan Jones : The Priosners were behaving improperly.
[14:01:00]SAY: Alan Jones : So a flash is a good reminder of their position.
[14:01:13]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Antoni was violent, Lodgins merely ran out the cell.
[14:01:15]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : SSGT Gallagher?
[14:01:17]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : This occured twice.
[14:01:19]SAY: Alan Jones : Of their position as the scum of this vessel.
[14:01:22]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Were you present during the incident?
[14:01:30]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Had the prisoner attempted jailbreak?
[14:01:30]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Odin, unfortunately we've had to use it twice.
[14:01:35]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Mm.
[14:01:42]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : I see.
[14:01:45]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Take it for now, I'll order a replacement
[14:01:48]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : If you're in a rush
[14:01:54]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Tell cargo to order a replacement
[14:01:56]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : And grab it
[14:02:21]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : If you are a prisoner, stunning you is a proper precaution when they perform any sort of action around you.
[14:02:29]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : This includes placing you in the cell, moving you, et cetera.
[14:02:46]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : As long as it wasn't excessive or harmful, it's legal.
[14:03:02]SAY: Andrew Nickels : That's a big number
[14:03:06]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Did you flash him 1000 times in 30 minutes?
[14:03:51]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : I believe Hard said you were a troublemaker.
[14:04:01]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Thoughts?
[14:04:24]SAY: Andrew Nickels : The fact that two good marines were rotting in perma for close to two hours, who were just released because their charges are overwhelming, makes me believe this guy is the same case
[14:04:31]SAY: Andrew Nickels : And that the MPs on this ship are fragile, to put it lightly
[14:04:41]SAY: Andrew Nickels : I meant, underwhelming
[14:04:43]SAY: Andrew Nickels : Charges
[14:04:57]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Considering they were telling marines to kill myself and my staff, SFC, I would disagree.
[14:05:13]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : The distinction between those two and this one is that he is the actual source of the sedition, at least supposedly.
[14:05:19]SAY: Andrew Nickels : You're gonna have bullies anywhere you go, even if you are their superior
[14:05:47]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : It's advisable to not call MPs dicks while your appeal is being taken.
[14:06:04]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : My job is to ensure shipside security, individuals yelling fire in a crowded theatre are still liable to the law.
[14:06:14]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Even if such things, somehow, were seen as a joke in poor taste.
[14:06:22]SAY: Alan Jones : Man.
[14:06:33]SAY: Alan Jones : I was called a dick. That really hurt my feelings.
[14:06:35]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : There's a distinction between truth and a lawbreak.
[14:06:39]SAY: Andrew Nickels : What
[14:06:42]EMOTE: James-Frederick Cerwick : RADM James-Frederick Cerwick stares.
[14:06:47]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : A few individuals comments, such as Nyxia Cals comments were percieved to be a joke, as such, they were not detained.
[14:06:48]SAY: Alan Jones : MY mistake ADmiral.
[14:06:53]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Right.
[14:07:02]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : You're releasing him.
[14:07:07]SAY: Alan Jones : I'll be back momentarily admiral.
[14:07:10]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : As you see fit, Admiral.
[14:07:24]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : If you pull ANYTHING, marine, don't think that they won't arrest you again.
[14:07:34]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : If you call them a dick, they will put you right back here.
[14:07:40]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : All perma-prisoners have been released.
[14:07:40]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : If you threaten them, you go right back here.
[14:07:51]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Escort Private Lodgings to his equipment.
[14:07:55]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Be quiet.
[14:07:55]SAY: Andrew Nickels : Yeah just deploy and get your glory in xeno blood, not dissin' on the MPs
[14:08:18]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : Just keep your mouth shut, do your job, and try not to cause a scene that gets several marines thrown into permabrig.
[14:08:22]SAY: James-Frederick Cerwick : We're done here.
[14:08:34]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson : Escort Lodgings out.
[14:08:40]SAY: Alan Jones : Come on out.
[14:08:43]SAY: Andrew Nickels : Those MPs are right fucked

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