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    Unknown - BE Conduct

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    whyiscaecililustaken

    Date of Incident
    January 10, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    Cindy Kate

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Unknown

    Accused Character Name
    Jane Roche

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    07:24

    What rule(s) were broken:
    BE Conduct

    Description of the incident:
    A Delta Marine went on a shooting spree (which I'm told was handled separately). They were detained and permabrigged. The CO comes in and orders me to give her my revolver, which I do. She then promptly heads over to the prisoner and attempts a BE, despite the fact that they are secure in their cell. When I point this out, they hurriedly try to do a normal execution instead by shouting their charges over the Alaymer radio (which isn't a valid execution either for several reasons). They are then disarmed of the revolver by the perma prisoner and shot at point blank range. I re-detained the prisoner at which point the CO again tries to perform an invalid BE by beating them to death with my revolver, but collapses before they can do so.

    The CO in this case shows on several occasions that they haven't the slightest clue about how BEs and Marine Law work. They couldn't BE them at any point because they were securely restrained by MPs, and they couldn't execute the prisoner normally because a: No CIC announcement was made, b: Personally killing the accused with a revolver is not a valid execution method, c: High command was not contacted to authorise a nonstandard execution method and d: the accused was not given a radio and a chance to say any last words.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Jane Roche points to Cindy Kate


    CPT Jane Roche says, "Give me your sidearm."


    The deck of the USS Almayer shudders as the orbital cannons open fire on the colony.


    LCDR Sofia Racic [Command (RO)] says, "MPs to req"


    SSGT Savimbi 'Brother' Jorahn [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "A LOT OF MARINES DIED"


    You draw the the M44 combat revolver, pointing it at the ground.


    SSGT Savimbi 'Brother' Jorahn [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "HORRIBLE OB"


    Jane Roche points to Alondra Otis


    SSGT Savimbi 'Brother' Jorahn [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "10 MARINES DIED"


    SSGT Savimbi 'Brother' Jorahn [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "BAD OB"


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "Ma'am"


    SSGT Savimbi 'Brother' Jorahn [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "VERY VAD"


    SSGT Savimbi 'Brother' Jorahn [Command (Alpha SL)] says, "YOU KILLED US"


    ENS Kilesso Danilovich [Command (PO)] says, "Holy shit"


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young points to Alondra Otis


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "That one"


    PVT Alondra Otis asks, "My what?"


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "You can't BE people if they're securely detained ma'am"


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "Claims he is injured"



    Command Announcement

    Attention marines!

    A evacuation order is issued as of 14:14. The evacuation schedule is as follows;

    * Load wonded and incapable marines onto the Alamo.
    * Load medical, comabt and building supplies onto the Alamo.
    * Finally all marines and deployed personnel are to board the Alamo.


    - Senior Staff Officer Kelly

    - Sent from my USCM Command Tablet



    Mr. Hugh 'Hugo' Howards says, "THAT'S THE GUY"


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "I am injured"


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "CL you will be given food"


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "I need surgery"


    Mr. Hugh 'Hugo' Howards says, "THAT'S WHO STARTED IT"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts feeding Jane Roche a pill.


    Jason 'Jay' Collier fed Jane Roche a pill.


    Jason 'Jay' Collier puts the Bicaridine pill bottle into the M276 pattern lifesaver bag.


    ENS Declan Cooper(as Declan Cooper) says, "..ugly bastard"


    Jane Roche talks into the marine commanding officer headset
    CPT Jane Roche says, "Alondra Otis is being executed, right now, for Assault with a deadly weapon, Disorderly conduct, and Sedition."
    CPT Jane Roche [Almayer (CO)] says, "Alondra Otis is being executed, right now, for Assault with a deadly weapon, Disorderly conduct, and Sedition."


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts feeding Jane Roche a pill.


    Jason 'Jay' Collier fed Jane Roche a pill.


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young tries to remove Hugh 'Hugo' Howards's corporate liaison radio headset.


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young tries to remove Hugh 'Hugo' Howards's M10 pattern marine helmet.


    Alondra Otis has disarmed Jane Roche!


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young tries to remove Hugh 'Hugo' Howards's laceup shoes.


    Jason 'Jay' Collier puts the Tramadol pill bottle into the M276 pattern lifesaver bag.


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young tries to remove Hugh 'Hugo' Howards's crowbar.


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young tries to remove Hugh 'Hugo' Howards's laceup shoes.


    Alondra Otis fires the M44 combat revolver!


    Morgan 'Dolphin' Young tries to remove Hugh 'Hugo' Howards's liaison's tan suit.
    Jane Roche is hit by the revolver bullet in the left leg!


    Alondra Otis fires the M44 combat revolver!


    The revolver bullet misses Jane Roche!


    Alondra Otis fires the M44 combat revolver!


    Jane Roche is hit by the revolver bullet in the left leg!
    You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Jane Roche!
    CPT Jane Roche screams!
    The shrapnel sticks in the wound!
    CPT Jane Roche screams!


    Alondra Otis fires the M44 combat revolver!


    Jane Roche is hit by the revolver bullet in the right leg!


    Jane Roche talks into the marine commanding officer headset
    CPT Jane Roche stammers, "DUCK A-AND COVER!"
    CPT Jane Roche [Almayer (CO)] stammers, "DUCK A-AND COVER!"


    Alondra Otis fires the M44 combat revolver!


    Jane Roche is hit by the revolver bullet in the chest!
    You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Jane Roche!
    CPT Jane Roche screams!
    CPT Jane Roche screams!
    The shrapnel sticks in the wound!
    CPT Jane Roche screams!


    Alondra Otis fires the M44 combat revolver!x2

    You fire the taser gun!


    The taser gun is not ready to fire again!


    You fire the taser gun!


    The taser gun is not ready to fire again!


    Alondra Otis is hit by the taser bolt in the groin!


    The taser gun is not ready to fire again!


    LOOC: Lorento Coldwith: HAHAHHAHA


    The taser gun is not ready to fire again!x2

    You fire the taser gun!


    Alondra Otis is hit by the taser bolt in the chest!


    Jason 'Jay' Collier has grabbed Jane Roche passively!


    You put the taser gun into the M276 pattern military police rig.


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young [MP (MP)] says, "WHO IS SHOOTING"


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "BITCH"


    Cindy Kate tries to put the handcuffs on Alondra Otis.


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "I GOT THE LAST LAUGH"


    Cindy Kate tries to put the handcuffs on Alondra Otis.


    LT Stephen Kelley [Command (SO)] says, "Pilot officers, get the Alamo down there ASAP."


    Unknown (as Declan Cooper) has grabbed Jane Roche passively!


    Cindy Kate has grabbed Alondra Otis passively!


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO"


    Unknown (as Declan Cooper) talks into the marine command radio headset
    ENS Declan Cooper [Almayer (IO)] says, "HE JUST GUNNED DOWN THE CO"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier cleans and seals the wounds on Jane Roche's chest with bioglue.
    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IN BRIG"


    ENS Kilesso Danilovich [Command (PO)] says, "Alamo is coming to evac."


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "CO tried to execute shooter"
    SSGT Cindy Kate [MP (MP)] says, "CO tried to execute shooter"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier cleans and seals the wounds on Jane Roche's left leg with bioglue.


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "Got disarmed"
    SSGT Cindy Kate [MP (MP)] says, "Got disarmed"


    SGT Gustavo Sybila [Almayer (CT)] says, "Who."


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO IN BRIG"


    LCDR Jack Edwardson [MP (CMP)] says, "PFC Shawn Iseman. Hooliganism and resisting. Not a priority."


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young [MP (MP)] asks, "In the brig ?"


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "And shot"
    SSGT Cindy Kate [MP (MP)] says, "And shot"


    Jane Roche has grabbed Cindy Kate passively!


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young [MP (MP)] says, "CO WHAT THE FUCK"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier cleans and seals the wounds on Jane Roche's left foot with bioglue.


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO IN BRING"


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young [MP (MP)] says, "We have a room for that"


    Alondra Otis has been hit in the head with M44 combat revolver by Jane Roche!


    Alondra Otis has been struck in the head with M44 combat revolver by Jane Roche!


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO IN BRIG""


    Alondra Otis has been bashed in the head with M44 combat revolver by Jane Roche!


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO IN BRIG""


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "I win"


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO IN BRIG""x3

    Unknown (as Declan Cooper) talks into the marine command radio headset
    ENS Declan Cooper [Almayer (IO)] says, "Shut up idiot"


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "This is not a legal execution CO"


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "IO IS KILLING CO IN BRIG""


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "And you can't take my victory away from me"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts feeding Jane Roche a pill.


    CPT Jane Roche stammers, "Sh-Shoot m-me?!"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier fed Jane Roche a pill.


    SGT Gustavo Sybila [Almayer (CT)] says, "Yer but who is the IO."


    CPT Jane Roche stutters, "S-S-Sell m-my w-w-weapon?!"


    LCDR Jack Edwardson says, "Captain"


    SGT Gustavo Sybila [Almayer (CT)] says, "We got two."


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts splinting Jane Roche's chest.


    Jane Roche misses Alondra Otis with the M44 combat revolver!


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "Ma'am"


    SGT Aden Cooper [Almayer (MT)] says, "Murfer in brig"


    Alondra Otis has been hit in the head with M44 combat revolver by Jane Roche!


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "OH MAN"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts splinting Jane Roche's chest.


    CPT Jane Roche says, "You scrotum!"


    LCDR Jack Edwardson says, "CAPTAIN"


    SSGT Cindy Kate says, "This isn't a legal execution"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts splinting Jane Roche's chest.


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "CO"


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "HE IS BRIGGED"


    Hugh 'Hugo' Howards says, "THAT'S MURDER"


    Dr. Jason 'Jay' Collier says, "God damn it im treating you"


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "THERE IS NO NEED FOR A BE"


    PVT Alondra Otis says, "Point blank and she still misses"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier starts splinting Jane Roche's chest.


    CPT Jane Roche yells, "MOVE!"


    Hugh 'Hugo' Howards says, "THE CO IS A MURDERER"


    Jane Roche pats Jason 'Jay' Collier on the back to make him feel better!


    Jane Roche attempted to disarm Jason 'Jay' Collier!


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "If you want we can execute him"


    ENS Declan Cooper(as Declan Cooper) says, "He just attempted to murder the CO again"


    Jason 'Jay' Collier has thrown the medical splints.
    Jane Roche has been hit in the chest by the medical splints.


    Jane Roche has disarmed Jason 'Jay' Collier!


    LCDR Jack Edwardson says, "ON THE GROUND DOC"


    SSGT Morgan 'Dolphin' Young says, "NOT A FUCKING BE"


    Jane Roche has pushed Jason 'Jay' Collier!


    Dr. Jason 'Jay' Collier says, "FUCK YOU THEN FUCKING DIE"


    ENS Declan Cooper(as Declan Cooper) says, "Morgan"


    SGT Alfred 'Kelly' Morgan asks, "What is happening?"


    CPT Jane Roche gasps for air!


    Lorento Coldwith fires the taser gun!


    Alondra Otis is hit by the taser bolt in the chest!


    LCDR Jack Edwardson says, "Captain"


    Jack Edwardson has broken Cindy Kate's grip on Alondra Otis!
    Jack Edwardson has grabbed Alondra Otis passively!


    CPT Jane Roche gasps!


    Hugh 'Hugo' Howards [Almayer (CL)] yells, "THE CO COMMITED MURDER!"

    How you would punish the accused:
    Warning/Whitelist Suspension depending on if they've done this before.

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    https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Marine_Law#Special_Provisions

    Execution Privileges
    The Commanding Officer may perform Battlefield Executions. This means they may personally execute anyone under their authority on the ship or Area of Operations without warning or procedure, provided their words or actions fulfill one of the following conditions:
    Threat to your command. Credibly attempting to or threatening to undermine your command or attempting to remove your command through illegal means. (The CL or other crew reporting you to high command does NOT permit you to BE them. A minor insult or disagreement is not undermining your command, countermanding or refusing to follow orders is.)
    Threat to persons. Credibly threatening and attempting to do harm to the CO or to someone while in the CO's presence.
    Threat to the ship. Credibly threatening or attempting to do damage to the ship or the USCM while in the CO’s presence.
    Upon completion of a battlefield execution an announcement must be made within reasonable time by the CO or a member of the crew explaining why the person was executed and noting their name and position. The CO may not Battlefield Execute a person in custody of the MPs (securely restrained or brigged) unless performing a normal execution is not possible (such as during a Delta Alert).
    Additionally, the Commanding Officer may request permission to execute prisoners in ways different to Firing Squad or Lethal Injection to High Command, or authorise nonstandard methods of execution in emergencies where normal procedure is impossible.
    I attempted for perform an SOP execution, until I was disarmed and shot, which fell under this...

    Executions
    Executions are limited to those prisoners who have committed crimes with execution as a possible punishment or those whose timer exceeds one hour. Executions must be authorised by the Commanding Officer or BOTH the Executive Officer and Chief MP if the Commanding Officer is absent.
    The Commanding Officer, Executive Officer or Chief MP must make a ship-wide announcement from the CIC communication console informing the crew of the intent to execute the prisoner, why, and the execution method. In a Code Red or Code Delta situation, this procedure can be ignored. (Example: "I, Captain Erin Kowalski, hereby authorize the execution of Donald Cluwne on the charges of murder, assault, and damage to the ship. He will be executed by firing squad in the briefing room.") Authorized methods of execution are either Firing Squad (handled by MPs) or Lethal Injection (handled by CMO).
    The Commanding Officer, Executive Officer OR Chief MP MUST be present at the execution.
    The Condemned MUST be given a chance to give any final words. They may use a radio for this even if their radio was taken for abuse.
    I have no time to argue, the logs will show I had IC justification for my IC actions against the player in question, regardless of SOP, and Marine law, this issue was In character and dealt with as such to the best of my ability at the time of the incident.

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    I should also mention that due to the players actions, and several other marines actions, the ship was at Code Red alert during this incident.

    The CO may not Battlefield Execute a person in custody of the MPs (securely restrained or brigged) unless performing a normal execution is not possible (such as during a Delta Alert).
    They were not securely restrained, having disarmed and shot me during my confrontation of them, and the Dropship was being hijacked in the midst of this incident.

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    I was a MP during that round. I had my first encounter with the CO in the brig. There was a prisioner that was charged with sedition because aparently he was spreading papers that said: " Dont trust the USCM. Fight back" Something like that.

    The captain wanted him released with a very strict guideline on his back to prevent the prisioner from doing dumb shit. I then told the CO that I could not release him without authorization from HC and that, If he wanted, I could write an appeal on the prisioners behalf explaining the situation. The CO agreed to this and HC authorized the release, and that his case was gonna be under investigation ( The HC only ordered a release. They did not however order a pardon). They also stated, that if the prisioner commited more seditious actions, he was eligible for an execution.

    I then released him and he claimed that he was missing his weapon that was very special to him or some shit. I escorted him out of the jail and the captain told the Prisioner to follow him ( I later found out that the CO gave his Mateba to compensate for the loss of said prisioner's hand weapon ).

    The round continued and while I was in the armory I heard gunfire, later to see the CMP on the ground wounded and the prisioner that had been released next to him with a loaded weapon, that instantly opened fire on me. I marked him for arrest and the hunt began.

    Several shipside crew helped in his hunt. I found him at the upper pods where I managed to taze him down and brought him to the the perma brig.

    -- Around 10-15 minutes later --

    When I was brigging the CL in perma, I heard gunshots later to find out that the CO tried to execute the first prisioner in HIS perma cell where he was CONTAINED, instead of telling us ( MPs ) to drag him to the execution chamber and make an announcement regarding the execution.

    Unlike on what the CO says in this post, the DS was not being hijacked ( it got hijacked 10-15 minutes after ) and the prisioner was contained in his cell, until the CO opened the door to try to execute the him.

    The CO while trying to execute the prisioner got disarmed and got shot.

    That is all. Any questions ask me in here or PM me in discord.
    Captain Morgan Young

    Charlie Squad Medic main and the worst nade Thrower you Will ever see.

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    I will pull the logs later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephoris View Post
    I should also mention that due to the players actions, and several other marines actions, the ship was at Code Red alert during this incident.



    They were not securely restrained, having disarmed and shot me during my confrontation of them, and the Dropship was being hijacked in the midst of this incident.
    Let's break this down shall we?
    1: Red Alert =/= Delta Alert, and the Alamo had just been remote called down to the planet at that point; it was not yet a hijack.

    2: He was in MP custody at all times, being in a permanent cell in a prisoner outfit initially, and if you look up at the logs I provided you'll see that he was handcuffed by me before you tried to execute him the second time, making any BE attempts invalid.

    3: Neither of your two attempts to execute him normally were valid either, as the following criteria must be fulfilled:
    - Presence of CO, XO or CMP: Fulfilled becuase you were the CO
    - Must be pre-announced over the CIC announcement computer: Not Fulfilled. You sent a single, easily missed radio message over the Alaymer general comms.
    - Prisoner is entitled to last words: Not fulfilled, you didn't even ask.
    - Prisoner must have a radio even if revoked for abuse: Not fulfilled, They didn't have a radio becuase I had theirs.
    - Execution must be carried out by either a firing squad of MPs or by lethal injection: Not fulfilled. BE style point blank revolver magdumping is neither of those two things, nor is pistol whipping them to death.
    - Nonstandard execution methods must be approved by both the CO and HC: Not fulfilled, and you didn't even try to fulfil it.

    Both attempts at execution on your part were horribly botched, being basically BEs. This demonstrates either two attempts at an invalid BE or a massive lack of understanding of marine law, neither of which are things I should be talking about a whitelisted CO with.

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    Alright cause everyone here is giving me different stories and I can't make any fucking sense of what is this.

    I'm gonna have to see some sort of logs.

    And rule 2, no peanut gallery or shit flinging.

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    This is my explanation of events from Discord, I don't wish for it to be lost, and also wish for it to be in the public lic domain.

    So I was called down to the brig because of a mutineer, there was a huge lack of Marines due to server going down. I had a chat with the marine who threw notes around that basically said "down with the USCM", I got the low down from the MP and wished for them to be pardoned. I then stated about giving them the benefit of doubt, if they fucked around being seditious I'd deal with them, and the CMP logged off as the pardon was issued. When the marine was released they complained their heirloom sidearm was taken by the CMP, so I attempted to get another sidearm for them, but they complained about not getting their pistol, so I done the 'mom', loaned them my mateba and told them not to lose it, and not to die, I wanted it back... Then they went hog for some reason, and were causing shit. At this point, after betraying Jane's trust twice, I felt the action I followed to be irrational, however in line with the story that had unfolded.

    ....
    I gave it (mateba) as a token of trust, and as an apology for thel CMP losing the Marines heirloom. The the logs will show Jane even says She can just buy a new one if they did lose it. But like most people, betrayal isn't something she appreciates.

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    Logs about the whole conflict:

    Spoiler Spoiler:
    Last edited by CryoDrake; 01-12-2020 at 11:17 AM.

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    Thank you CryoDrake.

    As shown in the logs, my actions however irrational, were justifiable due to the situation that played out. I genuinely thought (as did others) that the CL was leading a rebellion of sorts, this marine was pretty much griefing in my opinion. I will accept that my actions might not have followed marine law and SOP, but were justifiable due to the situation that had unfolded.

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