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    Marines using Predator Equipment

    What is the IC reason for marines being able to use predator equipment such as the traps? I personally can't see the IC reason why a standard marine would know how to use such equipment and why it is acceptable from a roleplay point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraility View Post
    What is the IC reason for marines being able to use predator equipment such as the traps? I personally can't see the IC reason why a standard marine would know how to use such equipment and why it is acceptable from a roleplay point of view.
    Fishburn using pred mask, gun and camo in Predators.

    There is no science behind a mask with thermals or guns. As soon you figure out how to turn on/off you can use it to some degree.

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    I'm slowly in the process of making Pred gear have a chance to go horribly wrong when used by humans. So longer term it will be like this:

    - If you shouldn't be able to use it, you will be mechanically prevented from doing so
    - If you should be able to use it, it wouldn't be against the rules to use it (other rules apply as normal)
    - If someone wants to get on your ass for using it IC, that's up to them (MPs can charge you with Improper Equipment for example)

    At the moment for example you can use traps, but you're putting yourself in as much danger as the xenos if you're not a Pred - that's a balance there. If you're using Bracers, there is a chance something will go horribly wrong.

    Making humans unable to use Predator gear would be a bit meh from a gameplay / fun perspective - it takes a hefty amount of effort to take down a Pred, and using the gear paints a glowing target on you, so we better make it rewarding when you do get to use those toys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePiachu View Post
    I'm slowly in the process of making Pred gear have a chance to go horribly wrong when used by humans. So longer term it will be like this:

    - If you shouldn't be able to use it, you will be mechanically prevented from doing so
    - If you should be able to use it, it wouldn't be against the rules to use it (other rules apply as normal)
    - If someone wants to get on your ass for using it IC, that's up to them (MPs can charge you with Improper Equipment for example)

    At the moment for example you can use traps, but you're putting yourself in as much danger as the xenos if you're not a Pred - that's a balance there. If you're using Bracers, there is a chance something will go horribly wrong.

    Making humans unable to use Predator gear would be a bit meh from a gameplay / fun perspective - it takes a hefty amount of effort to take down a Pred, and using the gear paints a glowing target on you, so we better make it rewarding when you do get to use those toys.

    Thats fine but what about LV where there is a trap at sand temple which marines can pick up without the effort of taking down a pred?

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    A hunting trap drops on the ground the moment it is used by a human and it cannot be picked up at all, possibly trapping the person who activated it in the first place. Unlike predators who can actively pick up the traps and disable them, humans that notice predators or other humans have laid down a trap and attempt to pick it up or disable it will instantly get snapped by the trap. Without the assistance of another person it takes roughly two minutes to free yourself from a trap; xenos and humans can help their respective team out of traps. It's unwieldy to use, difficult to recover, and relies on your enemy being blind and stepping over the trap in the first place with a huge chance of it being completely useless- It's definitely not as good as it used to be, where you could activate a trap and throw it right in front of a xeno.

    Bracers are difficult to obtain, because you cannot strip them off normally. Even if you can use it there's no point to it. Cloak is very RNG, doesn't last a very long time, stuns you when it runs out and deals heart damage to husk people if they get killed. Healing crystals don't affect humans even if you have the training to inject yourself with them. The plasma caster is completely unusable by marines because they're not Yautja (remove the Yautja tag please devs :] ). Marines are too physically frail, slow and unskilled to use wristblades effectively even if it's super fucking cool to walk around with two blades out. Activating any of these abilities relies on some pretty damn good RNG with the chance that you'll activate the wrong option. On top of all of that, predators have a button on their bracers that will rip both of your arms off. Every single time you attempt to use the bracer, whether it is successful or not, procs the RNG roll for a bracer delimb.

    Armor and mask are the two things that are decent options, but it should be noted that marines will often split the loot between each other if they worked together to kill predators, which is usually how people kill predators. If somebody is not wearing the full suit of armor all a xeno or predator needs to do is aim for the part of the body that isn't covered in predator gear, and it's suddenly not important anymore.

    The predator suit storage cannot holster marine weaponry on it, either, so people have to choose between faster movement and better armor for being unable to carry their main gun and all of the annoying baggage that comes with wearing their armor. You WILL get singled out by xenos and other marines that are loot hungry will attempt to loot you while you're defenseless. Command also has the tendency to throw tantrums if you don't hand them gear the moment you obtain it, so not only will the predators be chasing you, but MPs will also be chasing you too. Keep in mind that predator armor isn't very strong; it just seems that way because Yautja themselves are innately tanky.

    The mask is immune to facehuggers, has good armor, and has medHUD for humanoids, but the mask can be slashed off of humans and predators alike by xenos that are aiming head and it won't give marines any sort of special vision.

    Just about everything else a predator has isn't particularly useful to a marine. The only notable exception I can think of is a SADAR specialist who has a rifle on his back because he can take the predator's hunting pouch and use it to hold his rockets on his waist, but the problem with that is that a predator who hunts him for gear can just HPC stun him and take the pouch with all of the rockets inside of it, so it's a very risky strategy.

    If, for some stupid ass reason, you decide to keep something a predator has, then beware.

    Everything with the exception of healing crystals will alert predators of missing gear. Predators are obligated to stop hunting and recover gear if somebody dies or drops something, so unless you are one hundred percent certain all four predators are dead, then you will be forced to confront predators that often shoot first and ask questions later. When recovering gear, regardless of how minor, they are allowed to use their arsenal to its full extent. Taking predator gear is very risky business when predators like Mizari sprint around HPCing everything the moment they're given the opportunity to.



    Humans can't actually use predator equipment very well, but what they can use makes perfect sense. It's not hard to swing around a weapon, it's not hard to lay down a trap, it's not hard to wear a piece of clothing, and it is not hard to memorize which buttons do what on a bracer.

    If you don't like fighting predators because of the decent challenge they present when they're playing fairly and because of the RP, don't bother trying to kill one for their loot. Their gear isn't overpowered and you won't enjoy all the hassle you'll have to go through because you have it.
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    Know the danger of having the gear, accept it, and determine if you still wish to go for it.

    Hint. Most do.

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    Pred gear aint worth it because the new meta by Predator players is for one unrobust (or willing) predator to die and get his gear taken, and then a robust Predator suddenly can now murderbone everyone till he gets his gear back.

    I don't blame preds, though; they're in a shit spot right now. They get owned by all marine weapons due to their buffs, and by xenos due to their mutators. Their only reliable means of doing damage are locked behind honor code (using the spike launcher, plasma rifle, and HPC in normal hunts is frowned upon) and so they have to get in close... and get 4 tile buckshotted and hope RNG doesn't land all projectiles (if they do your Pred round is over), BC AP rifle (if an entire burst lands, your fucked unless RNGJesus smiles upon you).

    If its xenos, if RNG hates you (and you attack them when they have Mature T3's and Elder Queen) the mutators they most likely have means your a sitting duck to a couple slashes before getting owned by the swarm.

    TL;DR the only fun Predators get is when a Marine successfully steals Predator gear; then they can let loose all their effective arsenal.

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    Flip side to this: Why do we never see predators hunt with 'inferior' human gear to give themselves a handicap?

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    Imo Marines should get rewarded for taking down a Predator, I don't like those dumb restrictions when Marines use Pred gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePiachu View Post
    it takes a hefty amount of effort to take down a Pred, and using the gear paints a glowing target on you, so we better make it rewarding when you do get to use those toys.
    or I just click the predator once with a fire axe and win instantly
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