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    Staff Report - Unknown

    Staff Report
    Your BYOND Key
    Just L
    Date of Incident
    February 9, 2020
    Your Character Name?
    Orlando Blackburn
    Their BYOND Key
    Unknown
    Approximate time and date of the incident
    Feb 09 2020 8:30pm
    Which Staff Protocols (//showthrea...-and-Protocols) were broken
    Preserve the RP and enjoyment of the server
    Description of the incident
    I latejoined as a charlie specialist, saw a UPP walking around right next to cryo, and immediately ran over to the prep room to grab my gear. I went to select scout spec, but it was taken, so I selected Heavy Grenadier instead. I proceeded to get all my gear on and get a shotgun, ask on the Charlie radio why there are commies on the ship, and I received unclear answers as to whether or not they were supposed to be on the ship, or if they were hostile.

    Afterwards, I walked to Requisitions and saw a few UPP standing inside but not shooting anything. I pointed at one and said something along the lines of "Speak English you fucking commie", and they turned around and began to speak afterwards, a UPP specialist walking up and saying that there was a ceasefire, as in "If you don't shoot us we don't shoot you."

    Seeing as that was the case, as they would have just shot me if they were lying, I went west towards the hangar, saw some more UPP soldiers firing down the hallway past medical, and then proceeded to move out of the way and into the kitchen. I decided to goof around in the kitchen for a while and wait to see if there was going to be some staff clarification on the event, only getting some vague announcements and glitchy ARES statements on the situation. Some UPP then walked into the kitchen and shot me, and I couldn't shoot back with my grenade launcher due to the on-ship IFF preventing me from using it. It took me a few shots to realize this, I then switched to my slug shotgun but died shortly afterwards due to being shot several times.

    ANOTHER ceasefire is announced, but I am already dying in the kitchen, and by the time anyone came to get me I was permanently dead. It took some time after that before I even received a response on getting an aheal (Only being told that someone was looking into it) and my body was then looted by people in medbay. I did get my grenade launcher and armor back after I was ahealed, but my helmet and shotgun were stolen for some reason. Taketheshot56 did spawn me a new set back in my prep, which was reasonable, but by the time I actually got in the Alamo it was already defcon 1 and the nuke was being brought to the dropship.

    Events need to be handled better, with clear outlines and announcements when the staff involved in the event want something to change. Vaguely worded IC announcements from High Command/UPP Command/Queen Mother should not be used when something important in the event MUST occur (in this case a ceasefire between UPP and the Marines), as it resulted in a number of people being killed on all sides of the event, general loss of enjoyment by the players, and upset staff members.
    Evidence
    If logs are pulled there are several instances of the person running the event sending mixed messages and unclear announcements stating that there was a ceasefire. Multiple people in deadchat were suggesting to just give a full OOC announcement on the ceasefire, but staff only did so after a number of people were killed.
    How you would punish the accused
    I can't entirely say since I don't even know who ran the event. The best case scenario would be to have the person who ran the event hold off on doing them until he knows how to run them better.

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    I was the one who handled this event. Im quite fluent in how to run them and this one event unfortunately went off the rails at the end. To give you some overall clarification.

    The event began as a result of MPs having their drills and thus I decided to have an event to test them. Marines were proceeding fine on the planet so myself and some other staff came up with the idea that Brad, who had had his skin color changed was a UPP unit. Brad engages the CO and attempts to kidnap him killing a few others before he is put down. The real brad is found locked in his closet. A few minutes later Greg Lauffer is killed when the UPP synthetic explodes. The UPP then send in a disguised Gregorivich Lauffereyev. To lead the marines in the OP, observe the Americans in action and switch out the ships AI for V.L.A.D.

    During the switchout of AIs, a few marines get huffy and proceed to blow up VLAD in a tussle in the AI core hallway and a bit of a gunfight erupts between the MPs and Lauffereyev and a few marines.

    This is when a squad of UPP is sent in. Announced before they boarded, they are told via announcement they are friendly, and that they are there to assist Captain Lauffereyev and protect him seeing as he was just murdered. A similar announcement was given to the marines who are told the UPP are there to help.

    As I was watching I jumped over to medbay to see where Gregorivich was and during that time, a few of the UPP and the marines in engineering got into a gunfight, while the rest of the UPP went to medbay to try and protect the Captain and asisst them more issues keep popping up, I again made several announcements ICly to both sides that they are friendly and there to help. Inevitably the UPP squad is wiped out.

    I decide to give marines another chance, and send in another batch of UPP (Admittedly this was a mistake i Meant to click squad, not platoon, but the Ert menu can be a bit wonky) Once again both sides are told they are friendly ICly. Players dont care to listen and continue to engage each other disobeying any AI or command announcements. I spoke with Dubzor in chat and After trying to stop the bloodshed through IC multiple times I straight up say in OOC that there is going to be a ceasefire and if people keep shooting they are going to be gibbed. One UPP was gibbed but for the most part everything settled down from there. An Admiral was sent in to get the round going back on track and after talking with Dubz I decided to send in a marine cryo platoon to get the round back on track. Dubzor also lowered to defcon 1.

    I handled your ahelp and gave you spec gear back as it admittedly was a mess you lost your stuff in.
    Overall no events are done to fuck people over, everything regarding that event was thought to be fun until players started shooting and it turned into a bloodbath from there. Truthfully in my experience those involved listen to command announcements and AI reports and dont just murderbone so I tried to abstain from making an OOC until it was clear that it would be needed. I thought the multiple announcements were clear for everyone involved but it appears a few people either didnt hear them, didnt listen and after that it spiraled out of control until i could reign it back in.

    Its unfortunate that these things happen but I cannot individually control every player and when things get out of hand it can take a little bit to get it back in order. I do apologize for how this played out and how it affected you and the intention was only to make the round fun and give marines a small ert to protect the captain and break the stalemate on the surface. Not how i wanted the event to turn out, I thought it was made clear through multiple announcements to all involved but I guess a few players didnt understand or just weren't interested.
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    Was a UPP second spawn, basically we had no real objective on second spawn and people that did spawn were somewhat ready for battle. Anyway I believe to some degree they just were going to run in and see what happens. UPP started getting blasted by surviving marines so we shot at any they were attacking and were close to attackers. Ended up having to put down a marine near prep that was slugging us, RO that some UPP were besieging for some reason, and some marines attacking CIC. The force attacking the CIC UPP were getting pushed back a bit, was going to toss a HEDP to dislodge some SG and force them out when we got a OOC for ceasefire. After that we stopped fighting, some admiral dude said go down and fight blah blah and we all went down and died because UPP suck against aliens or they got nuked or something. IDK got jumped by the hive at some point and died and was tabbing out from then till the nuke going off.

    I don't think anything really went wrong, sometimes events just are a bust. Maybe the marines wouldve been passive to UPP in an alternate scenario, there was something like this event involving PMC and PMC DS that didnt instantly descend into chaos.

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    I'm not requesting any serious action, I just want the staff to act better when they have made a mistake (The event turned into a mistake, it did not start as one) and that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just L View Post
    I'm not requesting any serious action, I just want the staff to act better when they have made a mistake (The event turned into a mistake, it did not start as one) and that's all.
    Well clearly the event didnt go as planned and that was relayed as such in dead chat at the time, several rectifying actions were made from aheals to cryo reinforcements including getting you ahealed and some gear back. What else do you suggest could've been done to fix the issue in game after the fact?
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    I am going to write a lot because frankly this was a three hour round and a lot went down. Essentially there were three main things that occured. First was a fake hostage crisis, the second was a rogue UPP Synth, and the third a fake CO and UPP arrival.

    I was Captain Greg Lauffer and Kaptain Gregorivich Lauffereyev, a UPP disguised Captain that none would ever find out was a spy. Taketheshot pretty much describes everything well. Due to the XO maintaining the operation and things progressively stagnating on the surface so I knew this would be a long round I made the decision to host an MP drill that involved the MTs fake holding me hostage and seeing how promptly the MPs respond. It happened, one MT was hurt by an MG deployed by a engineer but other then that all was well. The MTs all expressed they very much enjoyed the mini-event I hosted as it gave them something to do as did the MPs so everyone was happy.

    Later on I was led to the dark corners of the vessel by a fake Brad alongside an MP. He took out the MP in one stroke of buckshot and came for my life. But Greg Lauffer being a master of eight different martial arts and top of his class in side-arm marksmanship specializing in matebas was able to down the rogue synthetic long enough to make use of his high-school track days which he was the Captain of his team and won various state tournements was able to outrun the synthetic unit to CIC, alert the ship via command tablet announcements before Brad ran into CIC and killed me after I tripped over a cigarette tossed on the ground (one of the reason Greg Lauffer is a fierce anti-smoker). Regardless, Brad was killed by a heroic Staff Officer and I was revived. I approached the fake Brad in his perma cell only to have him self destruct. The first time my character was able to avoid the explosion as Greg Lauffer's biggest fears are being poisoned and dying to IEDs. He waited for the first explosion to subside and then approached what remained. He did not however anticipate the second explosion and was promptly gibbed and killed, leaving two children and a now widowed New York model wife.

    Now, I was respawned as Gregorivich Lauffereyev, a USCM Captain in no way sent in disguise by the UPP to upload the superior model of AI Vlad into the USS Almayer. I proceeded regularly, I showed no hostility and supported the marines. I had in fact one doctor try to unload on me (showing how trigger happy some marines are towards russians) and I promptly BEd them. However, I lived and was instructed to upload VLAD in place of ARES which I sought to do. However, while dragging Vlad a marine kept pestering me and trying to prevent me from doing so, flashing their gun and such. I knew this marine would try to kill me, however I decided not to BE them regardless of them refusing to stop interfering because I believed I was an event role and I did not want to use a mechanic to take someone out of the game permanently as an event role unless they shot me first. I did upload Vlad, and after doing so the marine that was constantly following me around unloaded their full rifle on me then buckshotted me to death without any warning. Also, to add on to taketheshot's witness. MPs did not in fact help defend me, the one that was present just tazed one attacker who killed me and dragged my dead corpse away then left it to rot. Some attempted to revive me but every attempt led to marines, ensigns, or doctors executing me as soon as I was revived.

    What happened to me pretty much speaks for why this went wrong. I had planned to try and broker a peace with the Marines and UPP (who specifically received orders not to shoot marines) However, Marines showed no regard for the possibility of maybe taking suspected enemies into captivity and letting me do this as I was pretty much just executed and the few MPs that were still around failed to maintain order and the officers that should have been taking control were AWOL. In fact, at the time Requisitions and its RO claimed to declare 'independence' and set up turrets and mines within. It is likely UPP who entered died to these mines which prompted the hostility as soon as they boarded. Also, some UPP were just essentially shot on sight without regard to if they may be here for a reason.

    Finally, after firefights and much death admins enforced the cease fire OOCly because you have marines and likely a few UPP that decided they just wanted to murder-bone since the anti-communist spurge was already full blown and no officer or MPs were keeping them under control. I had spawned as a marine reinforcement that was meant to rectify marine losses to the UPP and was going to deploy on the ground however none of the POs were doing their job as they decided to run and try to fight UPP, thus leaving the dropship inoperable. At this point I received a PM from taketheshot and was made an Admiral so things could be organized. I did my role as Admiral, ordered marines to stop trying to hide in shadows and kill on the Almayer, threatened desertion charges to anyone that did, and to instead deploy and mop things up. They did, we got the nuke, and the round was finished. All it took was someone with authority to instruct marines to back-off and do their jobs. I am confident if the XO (I don't know what happened to them) or any other officer in the chain of command stepped up and told marines to cut the shit via announcements, marines would not have acted as poorly as they did.

    I frankly do not understand why you are writing this report directed at Taketheshot. If you had a problem with a UPP shooting you especially straight out of cryo you should have AHELPED with their specific name after they shot you as UPP were told when they spawned that they SHOULD NOT be shooting marines. I understand you are upset about the event but this happens when you have 160+ people online, you tend to have one idiot be it marine or UPP that acts like a dumbass especially when frankly you have officers who should be able to handle themselves who were not taking charge like they should have done. I do not know where the XO went or was doing, the RO decided to declare independence for some reason and shoot any UPP that came near them, there was no CMP (explaining the poor response by the MPs), and I have no clue as to what the CE was doing. If you are upset about how things turned out you should be blaming them, the chain of command for not rectifying the situation properly and choosing to do guns ablazing instead of diplomacy.

    The event was fun and frankly it in no way affected the battle on the ground which was its usual xenos run into the caves and then push out then repeat. I regret getting killed because had I not died I would have been able to maintain the peace between the UPP and USCM as without a CO and a frankly very poor chain of command marines just did what they wanted and thus, murderboned as they knew there were no consequences. Do not put the blame on someone that generally enjoys spicing up rounds that have gone well over 2 hours and have become stale especially for people on the ship who have been standing around doing nothing. The only reason things divulged like the did was because the chain of command failed to step up, and the few MPs that were around failed to do their jobs and or failed to receive orders from the chain of command like they should have been doing.


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    Oh Greg btw after RO died by then literally all of command was dead, XO down to SO excluding some POs

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    Ay Greg, thanks for posting a more detailed description of the events that transpired. I latejoined as I said, and was informed that the rest of the event went well.

    As I said above, I am not looking for any serious action to be taken. I just want Taketheshot56 to understand that this event needed some stronger OOC enforcement and explanation to the players. It has happened several times where people spawned in as antagonistic factions meant to cooperate with the marine side instead just unga and murderbone.

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    Stop making frivolous reports because events don’t go right. We admins sometimes can’t control it and you people report us for the most stupid shit and wonder why we refuse to do events anymore.

    These reports are for WRONG DOING AND ABUSE, not because a event went bad.

    This is what is wrong with this community

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    Your post for this forum states "8. Do not make an report unless you believe that a member of staff violated procedure or otherwise acted inappropriately"

    I believe that the admin acted inappropriately, in that the event was run poorly. I'm not asking for his head or anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taketheshot56 View Post
    Well clearly the event didnt go as planned and that was relayed as such in dead chat at the time, several rectifying actions were made from aheals to cryo reinforcements including getting you ahealed and some gear back. What else do you suggest could've been done to fix the issue in game after the fact?
    As you can see in my initial post:

    "Events need to be handled better, with clear outlines and announcements when the staff involved in the event want something to change. Vaguely worded IC announcements from High Command/UPP Command/Queen Mother should not be used when something important in the event MUST occur (in this case a ceasefire between UPP and the Marines), as it resulted in a number of people being killed on all sides of the event, general loss of enjoyment by the players, and upset staff members."

    You guys CAN run some really good events. I've played in many of them, including a great Tribes round on Big Red a year or two ago, and just recently the Dinkle's Dozen event. The only bad events that come about are ones that do not seem to be handled or planned well, simply as that. If I had more insight into how the staff plan events, I could give a more detailed critique or set of suggestions.

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