Staff Report - BobatNight

[MarpleJones]

Staff Report

Your BYOND Key

MarpleJones

Date of Incident

March 3, 2020

Your Character Name?

Gage Sixton

Their BYOND Key

BobatNight

Approximate time and date of the incident

Around 15:30.

Which Staff Protocols (//showthrea...-and-Protocols) were broken

Staff Code of Conduct:
- Enforcement of the Rules

Protocols:
3. Determine the seriousness of the issue.

https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Rules
Server Rule #0.

Description of the incident

BobatNight failed to enforce rules by *enforcing rules which do not exist*. I carried a shotgun filled with beanbag slugs, to which the GySGT of that round reported me of. The moderator questioned me about it, to which I responded that it wasn't against any of the rules. He then continued to change the ruling, as shown in Addendum #1 and #2.

I do not agree that having a shotgun causes problems, as the moderator stated himself. Neither is it a problem written in the rules, either.

As such, he had also failed Protocol 3. Determining the seriousness of the issue. It wasn't an issue at all, and merely his own "subjective view" on the CM rules. He ignored my explanations, and told me that I should "stow that shotgun, bud".

Lastly, he broke Rule #0, ignoring what the Marine Law /actually/ says, and going on a whim of his own imagination. I would've complied if he was an admin. I would've complied if he brought an admin into the talk. But, even after telling him that, he went on and threatened me with a ban instead. See addendum #3, #4, and #5.

My final response is seen in Addendum #6.

Evidence

Addendum #1: https://prnt.sc/rfcgkp
Detail: Describes the issue as stated in the rules.
Addendum #2: https://prnt.sc/rfcheb
Addendun #3: https://prnt.sc/rfcn2y
Addendum #4: https://prnt.sc/rfcn80
Addendum #5: https://prnt.sc/rfcnd9
Addendum #6: https://prnt.sc/rfcnns

How you would punish the accused

Give him a proper rehearsal about jumping straight to bans instead of considering the situation properly.

[bobatnight]

You don't need a shotgun with bean bags in it to subdue someone on Green, you're only going to cause issues/confusion. If you disagreed with the ruling, you could have made this report regardless and returned the shotgun but when given the alternative, MULTIPLE TIMES, you chose the ban.
I didn't threaten you, I told you what options you had and you made your own decision.

[Hunk1]

Allright, I am the one who ahelped you and i will tell you WHY you broke the rules.

First, CMP/MP are tied to OOC Rules, Specifically Rule 2 - Roleplay where They are considered a High roleplaying standard and breaches of procedure and marine law can lead to Bans and at the most severe cases a Jobban.

This is on Standard Operating Procedure (Ref:https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Standard_Op...ling_Procedure)

Code Green - Authorized Weapons may be carried by deploying marines (any standard issue weapon or weapon ordered from requisitions), security (non-lethals and sidearms only) and any personnel issued with a weapon upon the start of an operation.

Using a shotgun without no identification of beanbag is asking to be recieved with Excessive amount of Lethal force.

Now quoting Marine Law: (Ref: https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Marine_Law)

Minor Crimes
Charge Description Minimum punishment Maximum Punishment
Failure to Follow Procedure Failing to follow the regulations found in the Standard Operating Procedure. Warning 15 Minutes; Equipment confiscation


Third: Rule Zero: (Ref:https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Rules)

Rule 0. Admins (not Mentors or Mods) retain the authority to ignore the enforcement of specific rules at their discretion when they feel it is in the best interest of the current round, the server, or the player base at large. However, they are fully accountable for their actions when they exercise this privilege.

Rule 0.1 Rules are enforced as intended. Every example of a rule break cannot be defined as written, therefore, enforcement of the rules is subject to staff interpretation of the rule's intention.

Senior Moderators were granted the possibility with the additional administrative priviledges given, but we are only allowed to use during Minor events being holden by the Senior Moderator itself, which isn't the case here.

[MarpleJones]

This is on Standard Operating Procedure (Ref:https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Standard_Op...ling_Procedure)

Code Green - Authorized Weapons may be carried by deploying marines (any standard issue weapon or weapon ordered from requisitions), security (non-lethals and sidearms only) and any personnel issued with a weapon upon the start of an operation.

Using a shotgun without no identification of beanbag is asking to be recieved with Excessive amount of Lethal force.

This isn't a ruling. Shotguns are lethal if they're loaded with the wrong kind of ammunition. If the moderator had given me the possibility of handlabeling "BEANBAGS" on the shotgun, then I would see your point. Whether or not they must be visibly seen as "lethal" or "not-lethal", whilst completely right, isn't enforced in the rules.
Shotguns are not lethal weapons if they're loaded with beanbags.

On another remark, I did argue with the moderator. But I was merely trying to give them my explanation as to "why" this wasn't an issue. From my perspective, I was about to be bwoinked for an unfair reason, and as such, I decided to retaliate. Yes, I did over-dramatize the situation. What I should've done is placed the shotgun away, and made a ticket to the admins.
I, however, have not, in an attempt to change the moderator's mind. For that, I apologize.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Logs:

ahelp sent from Hunk1

Rule clarification from Emeraldblood circa 2019 thread

Would using beanbags in place of taser considered a lethal or non lethal? - Non-lethal, though you shouldn't be using it in place of your taser, it's mostly an anti-riot tool and such. You can't go to arrest someone and start unloading beanbags into them to take them in.

PMs between Bobat and Marple

[scsnv]

Just because a shotgun is loaded with beanbag slugs does not make it a non-lethal; 'non-lethals' in the context of what MPs are allowed to carry on Green would be things like tasers and pepper spray. You should not be using shotguns on Green whatsoever; that aside, the ban is based more around the fact you refused to listen rather than the fact you were carrying the shotgun. All you needed to do was put it away - and if you really believed they were wrong, either file a staff report (like you've done now), or even just DM me or another manager and ask for clarification.

But as far as this issue goes, Bobatnight did nothing wrong here. Also, you're not entitled to a decision from an admin; all staff members are fully empowered to handle issues and are not obligated to consult an admin if you disagree with their decision.

Resolved; no action taken.