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    N/A - 2 and Marine Law

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    Your Byond ID?
    Swagbag

    Date of Incident
    May 5, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    CDRE Roscoe Lee

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    N/A

    Accused Character Name
    Nina Wahad

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    12:30 -1:50 AM or so on Ice Colony

    What rule(s) were broken:
    2 and Marine Law

    Description of the incident:
    I was playing a random name CDRE on Ice Colony last night, I accidentally picked LZ1 for deployment instead of LZ2 (and even ahelped this the moment I did it) As such I made a new plan to fix this problem.

    Alpha Charlie and Delta were to drop to LZ2, with comms there and make a secondary FOB there.

    Bravo was to deploy to LZ1 and make a FOB there too

    Bravo Spec John Lebird, a name along those lines, had loaded the comms tower and parts on DS1 intentionally and said "fuck command," according to an engineer. I checked his helmet cam and infact saw command comms on DS1 right under him in his seat.

    As such I viewed this as a serious issue of DASO which would lead to sedition, as he was indirectly refusing orders in a manner that was known to him, being that comms were to be on DS2, and he had the comms crate right under him in his seat on the Alamo. It doesn't help bravo was getting rowdy in other ways that were effected by the bravo specialist.

    As such, I informed the MPs to arrest the bravo spec for a sedition charge. CMP Nina and one other MP accidentally dropped down while trying to arrest him and after bravo reportedly being attacked by a FEW xenos, they came back up, even though the bravo spec stayed in the area of LZ1 and Alamo.

    The bravo spec then came up much later for medical treatment and I informed MPs in the MP channel that John was in medical assuming they would go and arrest him for what he was wanted for before.

    It doesn't help that they have a history of incompetence and most importantly, non-compliance as a CMP, and they failed to arrest someone I ordered to be arrested at least once or twice, and another indirect order stating his location in medical, when I was too busy to say anything else when marines were getting BTFOd groundside. And while this report, while is specified as this specific situation also regards past rounds I have witnessed firsthand and heard of regarding Nina Wahad.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
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    How you would punish the accused:
    A job ban from CMP.

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    Logs of the events:

    The Bravo specialist Taking comms off the dropship:
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    Lee ordering the Bravo for sedation:
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    MP's managing to flash Lebird:
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    Wahad allowing Lebird to get away:
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    Lee trying to confirm the arrest and the CMP's response:
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    Lee calling out that Lebird has come shipside again to MPs:
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    First, "If an officer talks about a crime, the officer must clearly state he “Orders.” the arrest, if he just informs of a crime, the MP must investigate it and decide whether to make the arrest". You didn't do that and just said to arrest the bravo spec for sedition and the only reasoning you gave for it is that they said "fuck command", and that you couldn't even confirm it, saying someone else heard the spec say it instead of you hearing it yourself. You didn't even make aware of the fact that they took comms to the MPs. So I was deliberating on the dropship when my MP flashed them and then got off because It was launching, I tried to get off as well but got caught right before exiting, on the dropship doors (hense the almost spaced comments). The fact that you didn't clearly order the arrest, the poor reasoning for a capital crime, and the fact that bravo was dropping into a empty LZ forty minutes into the round(not to mention that they wouldn't take it kindly If I was going to arrest their spec and the fact that I have to hold off the rest of bravo from pulling the spec for two minutes while the dropship was rebooting) made it feel reasonable to not arrest the spec at the moment. This isn't mentioning the fact that I was completely unarmed and that aliens were literally harassing the LZ and ganked a squad marine who exited the dropship on the east side while also almost critting and dragging away the other MP that went down with me, plus the fact that there was NO PILOT and I had to control the dropship. I WAS going to investigate it further but then later on a player in game came to me with a serious serious issue so I had to tab to deal with it (please don't post notes for this, for privacy, just look in the logs to confirm). Which was why I couldn't respond to the second radio message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoboe7 View Post
    First, "If an officer talks about a crime, the officer must clearly state he “Orders.” the arrest, if he just informs of a crime, the MP must investigate it and decide whether to make the arrest". You didn't do that and just said to arrest the bravo spec for sedition and the only reasoning you gave for it is that they said "fuck command", and that you couldn't even confirm it, saying someone else heard the spec say it instead of you hearing it yourself. You didn't even make aware of the fact that they took comms to the MPs. So I was deliberating on the dropship when my MP flashed them and then got off because It was launching, I tried to get off as well but got caught right before exiting, on the dropship doors (hense the almost spaced comments). The fact that you didn't clearly order the arrest, the poor reasoning for a capital crime, and the fact that bravo was dropping into a empty LZ forty minutes into the round(not to mention that they wouldn't take it kindly If I was going to arrest their spec and the fact that I have to hold off the rest of bravo from pulling the spec for two minutes while the dropship was rebooting) made it feel reasonable to not arrest the spec at the moment. This isn't mentioning the fact that I was completely unarmed and that aliens were literally harassing the LZ and ganked a squad marine who exited the dropship on the east side while also almost critting and dragging away the other MP that went down with me, plus the fact that there was NO PILOT and I had to control the dropship. I WAS going to investigate it further but then later on a player in game came to me with a serious serious issue so I had to tab to deal with it (please don't post notes for this, for privacy, just look in the logs to confirm). Which was why I couldn't respond to the second radio message.
    I really hope you aren't being serious Hoboe7. Okay?

    At best this seems like bait, as if you wanted me to sperg out and say something stupid so I would say something toxic and invalidate my points/get an infraction.

    2020/05/06: [01:15:47]SAY: Nina Wahad: CDRE claimed you said fuck command and wants you arrested for sedition. (JOB: Chief MP)

    If an officer talks about a crime, the officer must clearly state he “Orders.” the arrest, if he just informs of a crime, the MP must investigate it and decide whether to make the arrest"

    1.
    "2020/05/06: [01:12:21]SAY: Roscoe Lee [MP]: I want the bravo spec arrested for sedition. (JOB: Commanding Officer)""

    Ok, I don't need to say "I AM ORDERING YOU TO ARREST THE BRAVO SPEC, OK?"

    I don't need to be a huge conceited asshole to get my point across. In fact what I said is MORE than enough to a smart person to imply that it's being ordered, ANYONE with basic social skills should be able to realize this.


    Spoiler Spoiler:


    And if you were proactive, you would have noticed the comms crate under his feet where he was sitting, which you clearly must have had. Even more so, he said in general comms this.

    2020/05/06: [01:06:29]SAY: John Lebird [General]: Lest go steal coms (JOB: Squad Specialist)

    Back to the ordering arrest part you brought up.

    I ordered his arrest at least three times and I don't need to say "I am ordering his arrest."

    2020/05/06: [01:14:00]SAY: Roscoe Lee [MP]: Go ahead and arrest the bravo specialist. (JOB: Commanding Officer)

    2020/05/06: [01:12:21]SAY: Roscoe Lee [MP]: I want the bravo spec arrested for sedition. (JOB: Commanding Officer)""

    2020/05/06: [01:16:41]SAY: Roscoe Lee [MP]: I want him arrested. (JOB: Commanding Officer)
    2020/05/06: [01:16:49]SAY: Roscoe Lee [MP]: On sedition charges. (JOB: Commanding Officer)

    Want is more than enough to be implied that's being ordered.

    ade it feel reasonable to not arrest the spec at the moment. This isn't mentioning the fact that I was completely unarmed and that aliens were literally harassing the LZ and ganked a squad marine who exited the dropship on the east side while also almost critting and dragging away the other MP that went down with me

    Even if you the xenos were unable to make you able to arrest the spec, the logs showing you letting go of the spec paint another picture. Which is why I'm asking for, if possible, the logs of xeno attacks around LZ1 during the time of Nina telling the spec 2020/05/06: [01:16:02]WHISPER: Nina Wahad/Hoboe777 : Just pretend you run away yeah?

    Your whole paragraph left me feeling like I was born on the left side of the bell curve, thank you.

    Oh and one last thing, I'm pretty sure I saw you shooting your M4A3 in the Alamo on John's helmet cam.



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    If an officer talks about a crime, the officer must clearly state he “Orders.” the arrest, if he just informs of a crime, the MP must investigate it and decide whether to make the arrest.

    Yes because want means clearly state, and that the word "Order" isn't bolded and has quotation marks in the new marine law for no reason.

    I want "John Badass" arrested for assault

    I order the arrest of "John Badass" for assault

    The pistol was dropped by the other MP after he got screwed over. Which I picked up and used.

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    Also I thought you meant he took off his radio and then said "fuck command" with the "Taking comms off DS2 and saying "fuck command."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoboe7 View Post
    Also I thought you meant he took off his radio and then said "fuck command" with the "Taking comms off DS2 and saying "fuck command."
    At the end of the day you told the spec to pretend to run away,

    Which in of itself, is just disgusting as a CMP.

    I am not going to say anything further on this report unless absolutely needed.

    By saying this

    Let's just pretend the guy got away so we don't have to keep him in perma

    You basically just disclosed that you indeed knew that he committed a crime in your "investigation," straight up ignored it, and let a capital crime which you need to arrest for, slip away intentionally.

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    I lied about the Bravo Spec escaping to you because I had to make my choice in the spur of the moment and with what information I had to work with, and because of the circumstances I thought it was more reasonable to pretend that the spec escaped for the moment rather than to hastily make an arrest.

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