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    Staff Report - Hunk1

    Staff Report
    Your BYOND Key
    Just L
    Date of Incident
    May 8, 2020
    Your Character Name?
    Orlando 'Florida' Blackburn
    Their BYOND Key
    Hunk1
    Approximate time and date of the incident
    5:10pm EST
    Which Staff Protocols (//showthrea...-and-Protocols) were broken
    Preserve the RP and enjoyment of the server
    - If a player breaks a rule, but increases the enjoyment of the server in general, (through roleplay or other such things) it can be overlooked. If no one admin helps (ahelp) a complaint, or seems to be complaining or taking issue with it, it may be best to let it go.
    - We're a server focused on the enjoyment of the players. As long as the players are having a blast and not every single rule is being broken, it's okay to let some things slide here and there.
    - Do not try to heavily influence the game unless it is for very good reasoning such as for an event, a player purposefully holding up the game, dishing out punishment for rule breaking (Examples: a commander killed a marine unjustly, a squad of marines are killing other marines for no reason, a queen is slashing every host known to man, aliens have stacked too many huggers) or other such things.

    Everything could have just been resolved IC if the MPs weren't completely incompetent.

    Enforcement of the rules
    - Whenever a player receives a punishment they should know why and what they are being punished for.
    - Ensure that all incidents are adequately investigated before giving a ruling.
    - We are not a government repressing their citizens. Don't hassle players for literally everything.

    When I blew up the brig door, nobody was seriously injured. One guy walked too close and took a little damage, but I made sure to place the c4 when there were no MPs around so nobody would be hurt.
    Description of the incident
    Round starts, everyone goes to gear up, someone breaks the delta req windows so people can get the stuff from behind the counter. MPs show up way too late to see anything happen, immediately start accusing people of breaking it.

    Delta SL Windhealer escapes MPs, runs to the hangar, and avoids MPs while the CO is apparently hearing about the situation. MPs start tasing and flashing people on the Alamo to try and get Windhealer, they manage to grab him and drag him east and northeast of the Alamo before more of Delta interferes. MPs start tasing other delta squad members, including assaulting one with a tazer by bashing him with it.

    CO repeatedly state that delta is pardoned of their crime of breaking a window, MPs refuse to listen and continue dragging Windhealer and other Delta squad members to the brig. Seeing as the MPs were breaking the rules and ignoring orders, I chose to blow up the north brig doors to try and distract the MPs so that Delta could get everyone else out of the brig, since MPs were being extremely shitty and blatantly ignoring a pardon from the CO. I hide in a cryo bag on the Alamo to avoid MPs, and successfully deploy. The xenos lose ground pretty fast, and I intended to say "I blew up the brig door, let the other guy go" after we deployed, but I was busy breaching through walls to keep the push going.

    Dusanking123 PMs me to ask if I blew up the brig door, saying that he just needs to know if I did and that I will not get in trouble. I choose to comply since that was the right thing to do, as I assumed it would resolve the issue as quickly as possible and allow everyone to continue on with the round.
    Hunk later PMs me to say he is taking over the issue and that I will be receiving a 3 hour ban for 'roundstart shenanigans' and 'metagrudging MPs', since last round I had been permanently brigged as Delta SL for 'sedition' and 'encouraging a mutiny' when my squad was using a M56D on the firing range, which upset the CE since apparently it broke a wall. I had no clue that the walls in the firing range could even be destroyed. I told the CE to "suck a fat one" for getting mad that the marines were using the firing range, because I thought the CE was just being difficult for the sake of it.

    MPs apparently brigged the wrong engineer for the entire op, as well as the delta specialist for protesting the unlawful brigging. I evaded the MPs for the entire round, but the MPs still ruined the rounds of two completely innocent players due to their refusal to listen to the CO. The round end was also delayed for some time due to gathering logs.
    Evidence
    Logs, conversations with other players, people from Delta, and the unfairly brigged players
    How you would punish the accused
    Removal of notes, possible warning for the MPs and staff.

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    Enforcement of the rules
    - Whenever a player receives a punishment they should know why and what they are being punished for.
    - Ensure that all incidents are adequately investigated before giving a ruling.
    - We are not a government repressing their citizens. Don't hassle players for literally everything.
    You were told you were recieving a 3 hour ban for round start shenanigans. PMs will confirm this.

    Incidents were adequately investigate to the point i delayed the round end for a good 5-10 minutes after the marine major. logs will show a ERT being sent to "entertain" the marines.

    Regarding to preserve the RP and Enjoyment of the server, as a Trial Administrator, i now possess the privilege of Rule 0, but it dosen't mean i will use every single time players want to "have fun".

    PMs will tell specifically that you told me you were aware that MPs were tied to OOC rules and the could be punished, still you did not wanted to ahelp. you decided to antagonize yourself in protest against the abusive MPs.

    as the PMs will also say, There is a ruling from management that states specifically that Jailbreaks should not occur before first drop and doing so is considered round start shenanigans. we're are tracking the incidents and if this starts to become recurrent, we may remove the jailbreaks from ML and start dealing with it as a Rule break and punishments.

    The Head Manager - Grimcad provided us with the follow Clarification:
    All of Delta shouldnt be making a prison break just because Joe Shmo got thrown in at round start. If thats happening, and happening a lot. We will make Prison Breaks not allowed by ooc anymore. Keep me updated please. Also Jailbreaks should be non-violent. I dont care if they sneak in, its pretty difficult to do nowadays, but they should not be killing or incapacitating the MPs to get in. Making distractions on the ship for the MPs to go to, then trying a jailbreak, fine.
    Now allow me to split the sentence:
    All of Delta shouldnt be making a prison break just because Joe Shmo got thrown in at round start.
    That summarizes what happened on that round and the chat we had. If a unlawful arrest happened/MPs are being abusive/MP you have been arrest for a crime didn't commit (crimes with 15 minutes of sentence or more) Ahelp. Moderators or admins will step in.

    I'll be replying further after the logs are collected.
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    I'll be posting logs in the next 12 hours.
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    Logs. Please contact me at rin#0142 if I left out any information or if information is lacking. I will be watching the report to ensure topic logs are correct.

    MPs arrive to the broken S.Req
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    [INF.]Delta SL was set to arrest at this time.

    Windhealer is starting to be arrested
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    [INF.] Windhealer escapes from the MPs around this time.

    Windhealer is in the Hangar, running from MPs while XO requests pardon
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    [INF.] CO intervenes and pardons Windhealer in the midst of the arrest.

    CO pardons Windhealer while MPs continue to try and arrest
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    Just L planting C4 with printscreen showing tile where it was placed
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    [INF.] It's around this time that brigging and etc. happens.

    MPs notice the explosion and scramble to arrest. Delta Spec and an Engineer (not Just L) are arrested shortly after/during.
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    [INF.] This is where the PMs are covered.


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    [INF.] At 2020/05/08 | 15:51:55 Dusan was overriden by Hunk1, and took over the situation with Just L specifically.

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    Overlord will handle this however I received a DM complaining about Dusan telling a player they weren’t in trouble. Senior moderators and above may override moderator decisions such in this case, so Dusan won’t be punished/didn’t do anything against policy.
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    I was Delta SL that round and MPs were definently not following SOP, the CO had directly pardoned me several times yet they continued tasing and spraying me, even while the XO told them directly to listen to the CO's order. They then started spraying indiscriminately when deltas were rightfully dragging me away, being an absolute nuisance and making the situation 10 times worse than it needed to be.

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    I was the SEA this round, I was observing this, when the deltas onboard the Alamo did begin to incite a riot inturn for Windhealers release, YET. As they got him to NORTH medical hallway, the CO said over command comms "Windhealer and delta is pardoned." In which, I awaited them to release. However, as a delta grabbed and removed windhealer from the MP's hands and began to uncuff them, with around 3-4 more around. The MP's began tasing and bashing the deltas and windhealer, in which I stepped in and informed the MPs, CO had pardoned delta and the SL. In which I then told Windhealer and the rest of the deltas to follow me to the DS, this is when the MP's returned to the brig, and the deltas were able to deploy. However, on my way back I heard the big boom, and saw a deltard run by and jump onto the DS. (I had no idea what happened, and left it to the MPs) But in my perspective, the MP's did ignore the CO's orders of pardon, and still continued to attempt brigging windhealer, and did tase/bash one or two marines with tasers.
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    I was Brynjar Egilson, the Delta Spec this round. I arrived at the Brig north doors when the explosive went off which caught an Alpha PFC in the blast. Orlando waited briefly before running off and the XO came over to see the other Delta Engineer being arrested at the time for something separate. The PM's from myself to staff are missing some context. The reason I refused to deploy is because I knew that Frederick was innocent as I saw Orlando doing it, but he was placed in Perma Brig anyway. The CMP ignored me multiple times so I kept yelling at the MPs that he's innocent since every time I told the XO, he would just say "Let me handle it".

    I would like to mention that I was reporting this to staff the whole time because the CMP was failing to investigate the situation and ignored everything I said. But even with that, Frederick was not released from brig until AFTER the round had ended (It was a fast round because the moment my 18 minute brig time was up, the round ended). Staff failed in this regard to actually get the MPs to release the innocent engineer, and as the logs show, Chuck Bicar, an MP, lied about how many Delta Engineers were on the crew manifest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viperious View Post
    I was Brynjar Egilson, the Delta Spec this round. I arrived at the Brig north doors when the explosive went off which caught an Alpha PFC in the blast. Orlando waited briefly before running off and the XO came over to see the other Delta Engineer being arrested at the time for something separate. The PM's from myself to staff are missing some context. The reason I refused to deploy is because I knew that Frederick was innocent as I saw Orlando doing it, but he was placed in Perma Brig anyway. The CMP ignored me multiple times so I kept yelling at the MPs that he's innocent since every time I told the XO, he would just say "Let me handle it".
    XO here, I never said I'd handle it and I kept telling you that CO would handle it, XO has no power over MPs or pardoning. Also, I can attest to yelling at MPs to stop arresting delta and being ignored by said MPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    XO here, I never said I'd handle it and I kept telling you that CO would handle it, XO has no power over MPs or pardoning. Also, I can attest to yelling at MPs to stop arresting delta and being ignored by said MPs.
    You were one who told the MPs that it was Frederick who breached brig.

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