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    Unknown - Rule 3, Rule 15

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    RIPEPLUMSTOEAT

    Date of Incident
    May 14, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    Arthur Pershing

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Unknown

    Accused Character Name
    Sanler Gutts / Terrell Laurenzi

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    2:00 PM

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 3, Rule 15

    Description of the incident:
    For context, the map that was active during the incident was prison station. One of the special survivor roles that spawns on prison station is the prisoner. Me and another survivor, Tony Springer, both spawned in as prisoners. We managed to survive the aliens and we both went up to the Alameyer for processing etc. When we arrived on the ship we met the survivor synth Matthaus, who wore a "working joe" uniform (this is important for later). All three of us were escorted to brig by the MPs. There was a mild disagreement over whether or not me and Springer should be brigged for having the prisoner role. The CMP sent a fax and we were escorted to CIC to get jobs. We were then intercepted by the XO Connor Anderson. Anderson claimed that the crashed ship was full of CLF and one of us was the CLF vice president. All three of us were brought to brig, (with no charges) and we had to wait while the MPs interrogated the synth. After about 30 lines of dialogue where the MPs interogated the synth, I said

    Arthur Pershing asks, "Alright! My patient is running thin, when are you releasing me?"

    The CMP responded with
    LCDR Terrell Laurenzi says, "Arthur. If you decided to do something, We will hold you here indefinatley"

    I protested that they were already holding me without any signs of a release, which prompted the CMP to claim that us prisoners were POWs. I'm not sure where he got this claim, but it is flatly false.

    I had asked to leave several times at this point, but the CMP ordered Gutts to not let us leave, because Springer had RPd he was arrested for robbery and I said for murder. We protested this (and I checked with a mod on discord, MPs should NOT arrest the prisoner survivor role for crimes committed outside of the Alameyer). He attempted to strip me, I moved away because I believed that I was not eligible for arrest. I was promptly hit with a taser beam. The only action I took against Gutts was a single punch given after being tased, which in my opinion is a reasonable reaction to be tased without warning. I only moved around, attempted to stop from being stripped, but I was promptly hit with a stunbaton.

    Me and Springer were put into cells without timers. Meanwhile, the survivor synth was tased and hit with a baton, even though he had not hit a MP nor was he showing signs that he was going to strike a MP.

    In my opinion, the MPs failed to 1) correctly interpret marine law, 2) follow up on misunderstandings in marine law by ahelping, 3) properly escalate a conflict. I will add that I believe that both the MP and the CMP broke military law, specifically "Illegal Confinement". By holding us in the brig without charges during a ridiculous interrogation that none of us consented to the clause stating "confining people in cells without charging them for a crime".

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    I copied and pasted some of the interactions with the MPs.

    How you would punish the accused:
    A minor note for the MP and the CMP regarding improper escalation.

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    Hi. I'll gather logs in the next 12 hours. The offender's CKEY is ILikeToGammon and I'll try to make sure they know this report exists.
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    Well the reason why I put you inside the brig was because the Executive Officer ordered me to place you in the holding cell until I recieved a response from HC and ultimately an admin had said in end of round OOC chat that he had sent a fax that said I should arrest the prisoner that said that he was in prison station for murder or attempted murder, but I kept on checking the fax machine in my office and not the one in the brig. So I apologize for any inconvenience I gave you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeToGammon View Post
    Well the reason why I put you inside the brig was because the Executive Officer ordered me to place you in the holding cell until I recieved a response from HC and ultimately an admin had said in end of round OOC chat that he had sent a fax that said I should arrest the prisoner that said that he was in prison station for murder or attempted murder, but I kept on checking the fax machine in my office and not the one in the brig. So I apologize for any inconvenience I gave you.
    Given this information I'd like to withdraw this report. I don't want to create some big conflict over a minor annoyance. At worst this was a minor inconvience for me. Sorry for wasting everyone's time, I didn't realize the XO had told him to.

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    I was the survivor synthetic that round, Matthaus.
    I survived the entire xenomorph infestation on Fiorina and was soon rescued by marines, while coming to the shipside Medbay, I met Arthur and the other survivor.
    We were then taken to the Brig so we could get processed, that was interrupted when the CMP and the MP questioned the survivors about why they were prisoners in Prison Station.
    After that, we were taken to the CIC Hallways and greeted by Connor.
    It seems the marines got some kind of announcement about the UPP or CLF vice-president being on the station. So all three of us were questioned about that and taken to the Brig again.

    While in the Brig again, the survivors were roleplaying on why they were prisoners in Fiorina, there was no issue with the roleplaying until the CMP was trying to declare me rogue for 'lying'. I did not lie, it was all roleplayed out and you should not ruin someone's round for that.
    The MPs held us for half all the round and I was interrogated.
    Apparently they were suspecting that I was the UPP or CLF vice-president as a synthetic. So they held us in the Brig without arresting us.
    Though what seriously got us annoyed was that the MP Gutts, started tasing the survivors. They were being arrested for roleplaying their crimes while A PRISONER OF Fiorina.

    The MP did not announce the arrest, and instead straight-tased the survivors and after taking them in Brig cells, he tried to arrest me for objecting the survivor's arrest verbally as it was not lawful, which he apparently seemed as 'Interfering'.
    So I just told him to stop and that I would fax HC he they kept arresting survivors for no reason at all. He then just stunned me with the baton and took me in the cells while stripping me of my gear.
    He called for help over radio, which resulted in the CMP straight tasing the survivors.

    There was a massive rule and marine law break here since the survivors were just roleplaying their sentence as prisoners with the current map, and their rounds got ruined for it, including mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Kleiner View Post
    I was the survivor synthetic that round, Matthaus.
    I survived the entire xenomorph infestation on Fiorina and was soon rescued by marines, while coming to the shipside Medbay, I met Arthur and the other survivor.
    We were then taken to the Brig so we could get processed, that was interrupted when the CMP and the MP questioned the survivors about why they were prisoners in Prison Station.
    After that, we were taken to the CIC Hallways and greeted by Connor.
    It seems the marines got some kind of announcement about the UPP or CLF vice-president being on the station. So all three of us were questioned about that and taken to the Brig again.

    While in the Brig again, the survivors were roleplaying on why they were prisoners in Fiorina, there was no issue with the roleplaying until the CMP was trying to declare me rogue for 'lying'. I did not lie, it was all roleplayed out and you should not ruin someone's round for that.
    The MPs held us for half all the round and I was interrogated.
    Apparently they were suspecting that I was the UPP or CLF vice-president as a synthetic. So they held us in the Brig without arresting us.
    Though what seriously got us annoyed was that the MP Gutts, started tasing the survivors. They were being arrested for roleplaying their crimes while A PRISONER OF Fiorina.

    The MP did not announce the arrest, and instead straight-tased the survivors and after taking them in Brig cells, he tried to arrest me for objecting the survivor's arrest verbally as it was not lawful, which he apparently seemed as 'Interfering'.
    So I just told him to stop and that I would fax HC he they kept arresting survivors for no reason at all. He then just stunned me with the baton and took me in the cells while stripping me of my gear.
    He called for help over radio, which resulted in the CMP straight tasing the survivors.

    There was a massive rule and marine law break here since the survivors were just roleplaying their sentence as prisoners with the current map, and their rounds got ruined for it, including mine.
    I'm not sure the proper procedure for this, but I have withdrawn the report since I don't really have the energy to come back and check it or respond to new replies. The mods can keep this active if they like, or perhaps you could make your own report (you are free to quote me in anything I have said here if that is the case). Since the round, I have thought it over and decided that it was not worth the effort to pursue further action, however I do think that you were also harmed in the scenario given that you were being grilled for something that you didn't do. I somewhat avoided that issue since the XO was really the one to blame in my opinion. If a mod could clear up whether or not this report will stay active or whether Matthaus should make his own report if he wishes to do so, that would be appreciated.

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    Incident Logs, if anything is missing or lacking, please DM me at rin#0142 on Discord, or find me on the CM13 Public Discord.
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    Last edited by yayyay007; 05-14-2020 at 10:11 PM. Reason: EDIT: Missing information. Will update.
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    Addendum to logs: there's apparently a whole section of missing info. I'll have to re-do this tomorrow as I've got to sleep, I was not expecting the depth when I was originally investigating this.
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    If anything is lacking or missing, please contact me at rin#0142 or find me on the CM13 Discord, Yayyay007.


    Interaction between survivors and MPs including the fax about the Vice Prez
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    For the context, I was telling them to release the prisoners because Gutts DID NOT announce the arrest order to the survivors and arrested me once I said I was going to fax HC or call the CO because he broke protocol. He didn't even process us, just straight stunned and stripped us with no warning.

    The survivors round were ruined because the MPS suspected that I was a UPP Vice President (as a synthetic).
    The survivors did not break ML, instead they were brigged for false sentences that were roleplayed out. Shortly after I was arrested for Interfering for sitting in the Brig watching it all and telling the MP he broke protocol.
    Another moderator, Jarek has explained over to the Discord that prisoner survs shouldn't be brigged for being Fiorina prisoner spawns since that would ruin their round and fun.

    The round ended before I could ahelp so I was filing up a report but Arthur decided to report here.

    Survivors were locked up for roughly 25 to 35 minutes in the Brig because of IC roleplay which shouldn't happen. I would be fine if he kept interrogating me but Gutts juat called reinforcements and the MPs straight stunned everyone for no reason at all.
    I play as Viktor 'Beer' Kleiner, Matthaus and as Var'dqi Bo'ytill




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