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Thread: Ladwhy & 50remandcounting?- Rule 4 and Rule 17

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    Ladwhy & 50remandcounting?- Rule 4 and Rule 17

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    JahFairy

    Date of Incident
    May 22, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    Lauren Von Fusegana

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    JahFairy

    Accused Character Name
    Ray 'Soap' Sandys, and maybe Sofia Racic (I doubt any malicious intent)

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    3:30am CT time

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 4 and Rule 17

    Description of the incident:
    Oh where to begin..

    It all started with (CO) Sofia Racic leaving the (XO) Ray 'Soap' Sandys to take command of the operation while the CO goes do their own thing (cause I didn't hear them on squad, barely any req, or Jtac comms)

    We were doing great, and were advancing past bar (the map was solaris ridge), and I was calling in mortar support and such. Up until the XO decided to pull all the troops from the front lines, leaving it undefended, to do a (and I'm quoting them on dchat) a "meta flank attack"

    I didn't realize we lost all of our troops until the xenos started pushing more aggressively and me having to ask on req comms where everyone was.

    Some people came back to our position, but by then we were losing a substantial amount of ground, and I eventually died and ghosted seeing that all the marines that were doing the flank were either still boarding, or were sent down to LZ2 to their death.

    When I got back up, I stayed for a good 10-15 minutes up until I noticed my lungs were fucked (mind you I told the CO to kill the XO for their level of incompetence before I do when I got back up).

    I then went to medbay, when the alpha SG (honestly don't remember who) told me that they and a bunch of other people were gonna mutiny the situation. So I ahelped about it, and got a "inadequate reason to mutiny" response.

    So I just sat at the alamo pad chatting with the staff invovled up until I got tased (wordlessly) by some mp, and my colleague got harmbatton to hell.

    Then a mutiny was issued when someone announced my execution on comms...


    TLR
    Rule 4: No greifing

    The XO isn't a new player, and shouldn't be acting like this.

    Rule 17: Mutiny
    Only the Acting Commander can be mutinied against for their actions, decisions, or inactions. They must be given a chance to stand down peacefully

    Technically speaking... he was the acting commander due to the fact that the commander themselves weren't present the whole op

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Witnesses, and them logs~

    How you would punish the accused:
    For the sake of the servers enjoyment, and if they don't acknowledge their downfall, and or reason why this report was issued; a jobban from XO

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    Please clarify/correct the following:

    Your Byond ID?
    JahFairy

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    JahFairy
    Garviel Rozencruze - Full Time Bravo, Part Time Unga, Robustitude Hobbyist.
    Abigail - I'm not disappointed in you, this is exactly what i predicted.
    Krogur Du'hara - *medic *click *roar "Unknown has thrown the smart-disc." *laugh2




    LIZARD PANIC!

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    It can’t be corrected, I’ll correct the title.
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    I blame myself..

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    So you want to have us both punished for me letting the XO execute a plan they wanted that didn't end up well?

    I understand even less the rule 17 allegation, rule 17 concerns how should the mutineers act, not those being mutinied.
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    If a Captain is present and the XO leads the operation, the mutiny is still against the Captain regardless if XO is leading. The acting CO is only when there is no Captain on the server, and another rank is the aCO so the only allegation right now that staff will investigate is griefing.
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    Hello!

    I am Masachi 'Samurai' Chan an alpha SG!

    There is no mutiny yet when the Military Police were arresting Porter Bald Stanford, Lauren and the delta engineer and I wasn't there because im looking for somebody else. When I came back everyone got arrested and some are fucked up.

    I believe the XO doesn't know who are the real mutineers, he arrest those marines because of the witnesses without a proper evidence. And I think MPs aren't allowed to arrest without following a proper procedure or saying the reason for the arrest.

    I saw the delta engineer attempted to murder an MP by using a flamethrower but why isn't a execution? They put him through perma. And the alpha specialist got execution without a proper evidence if she is really part of the mutiny. Good work MPS and XO.

    Captain shouldn't be included here.
    Masashi 'Naginata' Chan



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    Quote Originally Posted by ChengChan View Post
    Hello!

    I am Masachi 'Samurai' Chan an alpha SG!

    There is no mutiny yet when the Military Police were arresting Porter Bald Stanford, Lauren and the delta engineer and I wasn't there because im looking for somebody else. When I came back everyone got arrested and some are fucked up.

    I believe the XO doesn't know who are the real mutineers, he arrest those marines because of the witnesses without a proper evidence. And I think MPs aren't allowed to arrest without following a proper procedure or saying the reason for the arrest.

    I saw the delta engineer attempted to murder an MP by using a flamethrower but why isn't a execution? They put him through perma. And the alpha specialist got execution without a proper evidence if she is really part of the mutiny. Good work MPS and XO.

    Captain shouldn't be included here.
    Some time after I announced I will deploy and leave the XO in the CIC to lead the operation I noticed Lauren saying on comms "Anyone wanna mutiny?" To which I asked MPs to arrest them for insubordination and that was all. Was not aware of whoever else was arrested afterward as I ended up being busy fighting the queen and reviving the dead after a surprise attack on the LZ1.

    And I do not recall anyone getting brigged except lauren who got promptly executed per pre announced schedule.
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    I had a chat witht he reporter
    The "Carson Maneuver" or trying a full evac to flank via another DS is a valid strategy and not griefing.
    The mutiny issue was clarified as well, and they are withdrawing this.
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