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    Dusanking123 - Rule 2, and 3

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    JahFairy

    Date of Incident
    August 3, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    Lauren Von Fusegana

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Dusanking123

    Accused Character Name
    Connor Anderson

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    10:45pm Central US time

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 2, and 3

    Description of the incident:
    The same person, and the same order, but different roles. (I'll be referring to Bill Carsons helmet policy)

    I refused to wear a helmet, and even though not stated that SLs wearing a helmet is mandatory. The command assigned a new aSL which was fine, up until the CO personally came down to the planet to order me to wear the helmet he gave to me.

    After speaking with the moderator (while I was dead at the time) I was forced to wear a helmet on my corpse. So then I continued on the round with my corpse helmet.

    Now when logs get pulled, there will be three to five incidents that I was undermining the CO, but that was due to no one really manning command, and not much communications going around.

    Personally speaking, if someone has to ahelp about someone not wearing a helmet as a refusal to follow orders... that's just plain childish...

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Sgtmikes testimony, logs, and Conner Andersons testimony

    //showthrea...=lauren+helmet
    (previous incident about helmets~)


    How you would punish the accused:
    Literally the above link is the same issue but it reversed...

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    I was the senior enlisted advisor that round, Gunnery Sergeant Kepplinger. I don't have the exact logs, but to my knowledge the CO ordered you to wear a helmet, like I said, I don't have the exact logs so that might be wrong, but I do believe he did. Also, I ordered you to wear a helmet, but my order was rather vague since I just shouted something along the liens of "WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A HELMET LAUREN" or something like that, so I can understand that you could perceive that as not technically an "order", but let's get to the bottom line here.

    It isn't necessary for a PFC or Pvt to have a helmet. It's handy if medics/engineers do. It's IMPORTANT that specs and smartgunners do. But as far as I know, it is required for an SL to, by rulings. Now I may be wrong, but SLs cannot be insubordinate without good reason. And there really isn't a good reason to not wear a helmet. I don't understand why you refuse to wear a helmet. It's fine to do as a PFC or even smartgunner I can understand, I know that sometimes when I play PFC I'll wear my boonie cap, and that's fine. But it isn't fine when you're the squad leader.

    You're supposed to lead your squad. Command needs to be able to see through your helmet cam as SL more importantly than any other role. You appeared to be insubordinate the entire round, and at one point you remarked about saying you didn't even like the SL job. If you don't like it, then you do not need to play it. If you accidentally click it, just ahelp and ask to be made a PFC. Staff can and will do that for you the majority of the time.

    That was a big rant, and I won't take up anymore of anyone's time, so that's my take on it. If you have any further questions, I can do my best to answer those.
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    Medics, engineers, specialist, smartgunners and SLs can have their helmets enforced on them by higher ranks. I told you to wear a helmet and so did the SEA. Refusing both of these orders was a OOC Issue. I deployed to lead from the front, not to make you wear a helmet, since I can and I did just change the aSL.

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    Posting as a witness to testify to Lauren's undoing behavior as an SL as a PFC in their squad ~

    I'll start off by saying Lauren has a track record of job-bans in the past spanning many many years for shittery and not incompetence, but neglect.

    I've observed her rounds previously spanning many months occasionally as an SL, where she actually takes the epitome of the sterotype of SL's being PFC++~

    Now with that being said, saying on the 20 minutes (in-game of huge lag which translates more to 25-30ish minutes) I was in game and then died I did not hear a single utter or peep from Lauren, I was by him most of that time in the back with binoculars getting OB and mortar coords~

    When the aSL, Ceyella, seemed dead and Lauren was alive they did nothing to help the lack of leadership, the lack of of an active overwatch, etc.

    What I observed was him mainly just standing around doing nothing, then grabbing coords for a reason I can't remember, but I did not hear him actually send those coords to the requisitions or JTAC channel~

    Honestly, this report should be on the reporter and not Dusan~

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    SLs don't have access to requisitions comms...

    I was with windhealer during the round, and you guys abandoned him to go fight in the front. I moved towards aSL's location when the SO screamed to get on the leads beacon, then proceeded to head to front. Eventually trying to get back to windhealers position, since everyone left him, and he was by himself at the hospital. If you really wish to log back to all the times I played SL to judge whether or not I was just being a glorified PFC++ then by all means do so.

    Recap~
    Did the usual SL req dump, try to get the OB round (joked with the squad about how we're all gonna die cause the OT loaded 4 out of the 6 fuel for the HE OB), had to try to figure out objective cause connor pulled the greg lauffer approach of briefing (i.e wall of text). Our objective was to stay with windhealer and follow his orders and such, which I did by helping the new delta engi (cause it took him a solid three minutes to figure out how to pulse the lock cover, and he didn't have a battery so I had to go look for one for) to get filtrations up. Then proceed to advance towards the bridge, up until the other SO told us to get to their beacon (that's where the previous annotation is there). I got coords through command comms, then got lung crit. So I got medevacd, a few deltas even knew about it and even said on radio when I told them I got lung crit; someone even asked "Is SL dead" I then replied, "I got lung damage" which they replied with "Ah okay"

    I was listening in on both Jtac and Command comms, no one was giving OB coords, while others were giving mortar coords. By my analogy, if someone is already giving coords for mortar, and using CAS and the coords are in your general area; having two people spit out two different coords in rapid section for mortar doesn't really seem like the optimal choice, when that individual, like you said, was you giving coords for mortar. I don't really know what you expect me to do if I'm in the back using shouts and getting coords for OB when majority of the squad was there, when they weren't supposed to be... Did you wish for the SL to be in the front of everyone shotgun blasting xenos?

    Also, I understand the importance of the helmet and such but my argument is that I don't want to wear a helmet, period. Sure it creates a "minor" inconvenience (even though they can assign a new SL, which leaves that argument voided. The previous SL still maintaining their shouts and such, but give the new SL the same abilities that the old SL has. With added comms access). Even though command can just press squad monitor, and to the right of the locations section see the distance from SL, and click on whoever is the closest (cause if the SL is alone without their squad, and is no where near their squad; that's in fact a bad SL). Or someone might pull the, we need visual for the OB, even though that the mortar is practically the same thing with a smaller blast radius (i.e having to rely on whoever is giving coords that it would indeed hit the enemy rather then friendlies)... I don't really see the need for a helmet

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    Delta was disorganized because I assigned aSL to the next in chain, which I believe was scout spec. Filtration was already fixed so it was okay for delta to move to the front, which was what I ordered after they fix filtration anyways.

    I announced the orders in case you don't want to listen to the funny wall of text briefing after it was done.

    Another thing is when you get OB coordinates you straight up refuse to tell the location of it and insult command when they ask for it, which is not a good way to go. We had better sources of coordinates like Rigga, other people and me, since I deployed second or third drop. Not sure which.

    As for the last thing you said about helmets, just don't go SL if you are going SL for skills and orders. Go PFC.

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    Also if you're using the reference that my prior note history about my job bans... the only job ban that got reinstated was my doctor role (cause I can't handle my RP situations when it comes to MBT), then I guess people don't change, and that having a 2018 reinstated job ban and multiple other job bans lifted, and still remains to this day...

    I guess I'm forever vilified as a shitter~

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    I said frontlines... the enemy doesn't just stand in one position, so I can't really be descriptive on where exactly each time I ask for one... (especially if your coords are not near a landmarked area) I used the same tactics with other commanding officers, i.e ask for them to dial, wait for the enemy to either advance or if marines are pushing to get redials; it works for them. I even got a medal for it one time (if people really wanna log dive all my SL rounds)

    You were three to five minutes away from our position, our interaction was a brief one minute, and it took you probably less then 20 seconds to send out that ahelp. I redialed my coords multiple times during the whole ordeal. I guess I can't use OBs as any class if I don't specifically where exactly they are, even though I can do the same thing with a mortar...

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    I was Charlie spec that round and was made aSL after the SL got capped after the frist push, for the helmet portion I heard nothing about it but I did hear Lauren trying to give OB coords in command channel. Let see...

    Initially Lauren along with delta went to filtration and after noticing the water was clean went across the river. Windhealer as SO led the way to the second treatment plant but the engies were too bald to fix it so delta got bored and went back via medical to bar bridge and around that time command ordered a full push expect for bravo towards engineering. Lauren gets to engineering fights there and dies a few times. Nothing special and typically of SLs.

    Only thing of note is SLs are the one role forced to wear a headgear that allows sight for SOs, so helmet or donor helmet gear.

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    Just to clarify, what exactly are you reporting?

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