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    Well I gotta be honest here.

    You are a great XO and SL when it comes to leading, send supplies down, drop OBs etc ... but what worries me the most is your agressiveness to deal with Insubordinate staff or related problems (which can be seen in Yuliyas questions). Not every round goes the way we want them to so you have to be prepared for everything and the last thing you wanna do is threaten a BE, even if you have no intention of actually going foward with it. Threatening someone with a BE is literally putting your foot on the end of a clif that will most of the times lead to a mutiny or a massive lack of cohesion just like that.

    Another issue is your atitude as Rem refered. I even PMed you on discord giving you a couple tips, and to actually see your side, but after personal experience I gotta let this out. Mate, even if you get Captain, you will always have to follow the chain of command and most of all, Respect it. Even if you don't agree with a CO's decision you should be following it (unless it is something outright dumb), since he might be thinking of aproaching a problem from a different perspective. It's very important for you to think for yourself, which you do extremely well, but you also have to listen to the ones under your command since if you have more than 1 mind thinking about resolving an issue, it's way better than just one. Ultimately you have the final word on what the ones under you suggest, but remember, ALWAYS take into account what they have to say, and you not only will earn their respect, but will gain more and more experience that will ultimately lead you to a pathway that spices the round a bit, having you more comfortable with trying out new strats, making a round more enjoyable for everyone.

    My suggestion for you is that you play MP/CMP/XO, since you already have the command knowledge, but you need to act cool most of the times. It is rather normal for COs to do mistakes every once in a while, but I do not feel right giving you my vouch, knowing that you will probably lose your cool and end up making hot headed decisions that will be detrimental to other people. Remember, COs are here to entertain people, but impose respect in return, and therefore you cannot only think for yourself, but you gotta think as a whole to make a good round, not only for you, but for everyone else.

    Good luck

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    Having dealt with you long before this APP ill say it, you started as an absolute shitter but over time I think you have defiantly matured to the point where you are ready to get the commander role, everytime I see you as SO or XO you are on the ball and working hard. Others might not see it but I certainly have. You have a

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    It's become pretty clear that though you have a lot of community support there are also many people concerned over your aggressiveness and apparent arrogance as a commissioned officer. I can personally attest to your competence, but I do agree with some of the criticisms leveled your way. Still, I do believe you have the potential to make a good CO, so I'll ask you some questions to examine if you have not only the know-how to excel but also the patience and humility to listen to feedback and relent when necessary as well as learning from your mistakes.

    1. While you're delivering Briefing, you get egged by Charlie Spec without warning. The MPs who are present don't react to this, though one of your SOs starts laughing and complimenting the Specialist's aim. What do you do?

    2. You're made aware that a PFC has been arrested for Insubordination and Desertion after refusing to follow their SL's orders to perform a risky flanking maneuver against the xenos during the operation. You're informed that this order resulted in nearly the whole squad being wiped out due to poor leadership and coordination. The PFC informs you they're requesting a pardon and has sent you a well-written and thought-out pardon request form. None of your staff object or interfere with the pardon's procedure, including the MPs. What do you do?

    3. During the course of an operation while you're manning CIC by yourself, Delta SL begins to insult you and generally be a nuisance over comms over a perceived slight regarding the orders given to his squad, believing them to be beneath him and a suboptimal strategy. The rest of Delta squad soon follows their SL's lead and begin to ignore orders and generally muck about. What do you do?


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    1. While you're delivering Briefing, you get egged by Charlie Spec without warning. The MPs who are present don't react to this, though one of your SOs starts laughing and complimenting the Specialist's aim. What do you do?

    This might not be a super popular answer but just ignore it. Have thick skin, a guy throwing an egg at you is dumb but taking a spec out of the round for 15 minutes when he would be desperately needed isn't a good idea. Especially for something that doesn't really affect the round. Alternatively, order the MPs to NJP him with something quick and easy. This runs the risk of him refusing the NJP though, so unless he was a real ass about it (bragging about it on squad comms, trying to do it again) I would probably just ignore it. If you wanna be funny you could NJP him to eat a raw egg.

    2. You're made aware that a PFC has been arrested for Insubordination and Desertion after refusing to follow their SL's orders to perform a risky flanking maneuver against the xenos during the operation. You're informed that this order resulted in nearly the whole squad being wiped out due to poor leadership and coordination. The PFC informs you they're requesting a pardon and has sent you a well-written and thought-out pardon request form. None of your staff object or interfere with the pardon's procedure, including the MPs. What do you do?

    To quote marine law: "The Captain may exceptionally pardon criminals by name, and which crimes they are being pardoned for if they believe it is in the best interests of the operation. Only Minor and Major crimes may be pardoned. Capital offenders may not be pardoned except in special circumstances with the permission of High Command."
    Desertion is a capital offense and can not be pardoned. He has to ask high command, the only consideration I can give is if the charge shouldn't be desertion in the first place but that would be an appeal, not a pardon request. I would instead ask him if he wants to appeal, or (although this is a hail mary and I can't recommend it) ask high command for a pardon. Now if he appealed it I'd probably grant the appeal depending on his argument. This seems to me to be more insubordination than desertion. From how I'm reading into it, it appears he stayed and fought on the frontlines, but didn't go with his SL to a flank. This wouldn't properly be desertion. Assuming the appeal is decent I'd probably go from desertion to major insubordination.

    3. During the course of an operation while you're manning CIC by yourself, Delta SL begins to insult you and generally be a nuisance over comms over a perceived slight regarding the orders given to his squad, believing them to be beneath him and a suboptimal strategy. The rest of Delta squad soon follows their SL's lead and begin to ignore orders and generally muck about. What do you do?

    I had to deal with this not too long ago. First you should probably consider if he's right. You might have been a bit of an ass to him, and your strategy might actually be sub-par. In either case, you should at least try to talk him down first. Otherwise, you might be able to ahelp if he refuses to follow orders from the start. Unless they're blatantly suicidal, the SL is obligated to at least try them at first. If it's a bit into the round and it's fine for the SL to do so, and he refuses to actually follow orders, just assign a new aSL and tell marines to ignore the original one. Also, mark him for insub. Most marines will follow the aSL though in my experience if the SSGT is really pushing it he'll still try to get his men to follow him. Worst case scenario you might need to send an MP to down FOB to nab him if he's gathering up his men and continuing to do this crap even with the aSL assigned. If he just doesn't come down to FOB though, short of deploying yourself, there's not much you can do to stop that. In the event you're there in person for some reason (the question stated you're manning CIC solo, maybe a SO logs on and you have a command APC or he's on the ship refusing to deploy after coming up for surgery) you give him a few real stern warnings to quit it. If he still decides that he doesn't want to do anything, won't respect an aSL being assigned, and being repeatedly ordered to knock it off and stop messing up the operation, then this is a pretty cut and dry example of a valid BE. Your first option should definitely be the MPs rather than a BE should you decide to take a physical measure against him. Delta will react VERY poorly to a captain they dislike BEing their SL. That's an option of last resort if he is genuinely screwing up the op and refuses all alternatives.
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    Very good answers. I'll caution my +1 by saying that it's one thing to have the time to really think through the optimal solutions for each of these issues and another thing entirely when you're in the moment and are juggling 10 other problems. Keep that in mind when you're playing command.

    Still, it is readily apparent you have the experience and know-how necessary to navigate these tricky situations without causing a nuclear shitstorm. Remember that mistakes are inevitable, but you always have the option of apologizing and learning from them.


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    I wanted to give my man bard a bigger post to try and sway some more players, and council members, in his favor.

    Yesterday we had a CORSAT round where I did a pretty weird plan, but he respected it and followed it anyway. I didn't explain the REAL goal of the plan, which was to be super aggressive and buy the IOs all the time they needed to collect intel, but he still followed it.
    Delta was sent alone to LZ2, the other squads secured the academy and the hospital, and the FOB was on the hospital. I deployed on the second drop to help organize things.

    Alpha got hit pretty hard by xenos at the academy, but they held out long enough for me to deploy and call in some great fatties that gibbed a bunch of xenos and swung the momentum in our favor. All the squads converged on Theta dome and we pushed south, forcing basically every xeno to focus on us or risk having the hive wiped out. Hawkins did at one point get snippy on command comms due to the sheer volume of information coming is way from both myself and the other squads (I was making sure that he was on top of keeping the OB loaded, as I ordered extra Cluster shells to blow open walls on CORSAT) so he was able to multitask exceptionally well. He did also apologize shortly after he got upset on comms, and gave himself a moment to cool his jets before getting back to work. We ended up getting a nuke by like 13:00 on CORSAT, and the round was over by 13:20 or so, I believe.

    I think that the round I describe above shows that anyone who wants to give him a -1 due to his attitude is incorrect in their assumption that he can't control his own temper, as any XO who can keep up with my plans instead of following the dull meta plans that everyone else uses is more than capable of keeping his cool.

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    Yeah sure, we can make this work.

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    Some one needs to update his recent bans

    Edit *Nvm Wrong person*
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    I asked Nanu, last note I have was from 2/05/2020 (day month year). Don't know what all my notes are though.

    Edit: got noted for LRP by Jamesthebond about 12 hours after this. Made a staff report contesting it.
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    I've been thinking over this for quite a while now and consulting people on this.

    But from the looks of it so far I think I can actually trust you in the CO position. Yeah, the quips about your attitude against you are fairly damning but I don't think it warrants enough for us to deny just because of that. I've seen you myself before; you've improved, and don't think I personally have problems with you in command. Others may have sour experiences against you but I think you can change and I hope that you keep your behavior in mind when leading the operation.

    That being said if we do end up in a scenario where people start going "I told you so", well, we'll bear the brunt of that.

    +1 from me! Good luck.
    EDIT: On second thought, the amount of negative votes surrounding this has honestly swayed my opinion in the other direction. Several remarks here about your recent behavior have been really worrying to me and so unfortunately I'd have to change my vote to a -1. Sorry.
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