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    Ladwhy - Synth Guidelines

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Sarah Johnson

    Date of Incident
    August 22, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    Was a drone

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Not Known

    Accused Character Name
    Ray

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    About 4 am CST? Log strings should give it.

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Synth Guidelines

    Description of the incident:
    On big red, it was late game around 13:40 round time the hive got a bunch of messages about hive structures being destroyed. When all of us rushed back from attacking the fob at viro-containers, another xeno found the synthetic Ray in the hive alone, from jumping to that xenos vision also no visible gunshots, breaking all the structures. Presumably there for the capture we brought there recently radioing. We had nobody at hive because there was only six of us left and we were desperately trying to get captures to turn things around. I do not know if they released the capture as it was nested still and Ray gibbed by the time I caught up after a glance at the xeno that called Ray out in the hive. Didn't see anyone else with a later jump to queen nor find any mass of blood or another corpse or capture at the north of the hive where Ray came at.

    Under the guidelines they shouldn't leave a fob under siege, solid snake across the entire solaris map deep into caves, then start destroying the hive core and other hive structures all alone.
    Synthetic Combat Restrictions:
    "Should a Synthetic Unit be present directly on the frontlines, additional self-preservation laws are activated to prevent the loss of the Synthetic Unit. These laws prevent a synthetic from actively attacking enemy combatants while stationed at the frontlines. During this time, the Synthetic Unit should be making it their priority to heal the wounded and drag others to safety. If a Synthetic Unit is actively assaulting or killing enemy forces in frontline engagements, they will be terminated and their parts salvaged for other unit repairs."
    Addition Synthetic Rules & Clarification:: Combat:
    "Synthetics should avoid combat when possible and only brandish a weapon as a last resort. Units, however, are not restricted from combat in states of emergency. Note that if a synthetic is attacking anything on the front lines, you are entering the grey area of combat synth. If you do not want to risk getting in trouble and having your whitelist possible suspended/removed, we suggest you avoid attacking and leave that to the Marines."

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    These should get you to the admin logs that'll give you times and back tracking.
    Hive: A hive core has been destroyed at the Eastern Caves!
    Hivemind, Queen ( watch ) hisses, 'ARE THEY IN HIVE?'
    Hive: A spawn pool has been destroyed at the Eastern Caves!
    Hive: An egg morpher has been destroyed at the Eastern Caves!

    For log strings to find the rough time just after the destruction messages.
    Hivemind, Mature Lurker (GG-676-G) ( watch ) hisses, 'They broke everything'
    Hive: the Elder Crusher (GO-885-J1) has died at Administration!
    Hivemind, Mature Lurker (GG-676-G) ( watch ) hisses, 'SYNTH'
    Hivemind, Queen ( watch ) hisses, 'CRUSHER'
    Hivemind, Mature Praetorian (XX-585) ( watch ) hisses, 'WE NEED REGROUP'
    Hivemind, Mature Praetorian (XX-585) ( watch ) hisses, 'MAKE NEW SISTERS'
    Hivemind, Mature Lurker (GG-676-G) ( watch ) hisses, 'Mom you can rebuild the stuff'
    Hivemind, Queen ( watch ) hisses, 'I willl'

    I couldn't find the name of the marine the queen and I had just captured and brought to the nest from marshalls prior but he's probably all over the logs calling for a rescue mission.
    Ray was caught and gibbed one chamber below SE lambda entrance, which was the 2nd chamber above the east caves hive, which should throw another admin log for the "end"point both from the gibbing and for backtracking his combat logs for timestamps.

    To save workload, probably best to just ask Ray what's up bro first.

    How you would punish the accused:
    Ask him to please not and a non-prejudicial note saying it happened to help establish if it's a consistent problem.

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    Logs in 24.

    Reported Ckey: Ladwhy
    Last edited by Sgtmike; 08-23-2020 at 02:16 AM.

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    Synth Council has been informed and will be investigating with support from logs.

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    From what i read, Ray was looking for Intel, but had like a big oopsie detour and ended up destroying the hive core.......................................

    Ray ask permission to command to gather intel at lamda.

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    Ray talks with Aissa - Survivor Synth.


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    Ray plans C4 at lamda podlocks.

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    Ray states over radio his accomplishments. + "the rescue operation"

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    Ray destroys hive core and spawn pool.

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    Ray gets spotted and gibbed a bit later.

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    Ray rants in Dchat.


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    If i missed anything hit me up on discord.

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    Hello there, it is me, Ray.

    So, I went on intel duty and I decided to upload the data terminals. I've had 2 in ETA and 2 in Lambda. To be noted, I got the marines to DEFCON 3 and was on my way to DEFCON 2. Alright, so I reach Lambda, upload the terminals and there's a bioscan showing 3 xenos left. Thought the queen was dead so I asked command something along the lines "Hey, do you want me to locate the hive for you?" and they were like "Sure". There, I found a captured marine which I planned to do ghetto surgery on. I, indeed, destroyed the hive core because I thought the battle was over and the only thing left was search and detroy.

    Now, for the accusation of combat synthing "guideline breach". When the lurker located me, I got my entrenching tool out to defense myself, but when I saw you, the queen, I tried to put it back in my backpack, but couldn't(it wasn't folded and had to pay attention to my escape route). I did not perform combat on the "frontline" and the logs can back that up. I don't know what you're reporting here, destroying your hive core? Doing intel while you were attacking FOB?

    Also, yes, I salted in dchat because after I died, I teleported to CiC to see if my command got my callout and they were not talking about my deactivation, even tho I built the entire FOB and repaired/plugged all holes that were made during the 1st assault.

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    Yes the hive core and everything else in the hive you destroyed. We had a queen, drone, sent, lurker, and at the time for a few moments longer, a crusher, at the minimum off the top of my head. The destruction of those pulled all of us off of the fob to go protect our cap and chase some rambo that turns out to be a hugproof synth breaking hive structures when prior we were bleeding the marines and trying to get captures while rotating around the fob. The fight was shifted to office as a result concentrating the formerly spread out cadehuggers and the rest was history. Just don't unga into hive proper breaking all the hive structures, eggs we need to recover and can't hugger you, and get yourself killed as a synth which you're not supposed to do. We all understand defcon, IO, and rando marine participation in defcon is in a bad place right now. Play pfc 4dchess and the rough riding echo ghost squadron for hive assaults not abuse synth.

    If you want to be pointy about the intel and hive assault, "5 - Do not perform needlessly suicidal actions. Your self-preservation comes first." You wobbled across noman's land behind enemy lines without a sufficient escort then called the entire hive down on yourself by assaulting the hive instead of NOPEing out of there.

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    As I said, I left FOB after the xenos have retreated(long after) and when the bioscan showed 3 xenos left to do intel duty. I went behind enemy lines because I had terminals' data to upload in ETA and Lambda, there's no rule that I can't do that. Anyways, rule 5 does not apply here. I didn't suicide, I was searching for intel, that's all. Yes, my self-preservation comes first and I planned an escape route through Lambda if someone came, which didn't work out too well.

    "then called the entire hive down on yourself by assaulting the hive instead of NOPEing out of there."

    I would have left if there was no captured marine I could save easily by doing ghetto surgery. The lurker saw me get him up the roller bed and preparing to remove his embryo. When the lurker spotted me, I've reported to command that I have been seen and, indirectly, told them that I'm getting out of there. Queen came and got bodyblocked to death, that happens. It's not combat synthing.

    Also, I don't think you were bleeding the marines as no one was yelling on comms, everyone was calm. Perhaps you just wanted to delay as long as possible and got pissed I did something not against the rules.

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    I checked hive status after the cap to see where it'd put us and we had 6 alive. Long after you were gibbed, we had 4 minimum at office at the marine final push that was a result everyone having to go deal with your ramboing instead of attacking marines that came out from the cades and into the walls we put up for the viro flank.

    I'm pissed because you're going against the rules to play the highly resistant despite heavy armor being nerfed to stop terminator play, easy to treat despite first responder being nerfed to stop terminator play, fast despite all the baked in armor slowdowns to stop terminator play, reduced tackle duration synth as a hugger proof hive assaulting larva aborting supersoldier rambo instead of playing a intel kit pfc if you want to do that. Trying to hide being i-it's intel in the hive! doesn't change that you kicked the door in and broke all the shit which ain't intel and clearly the probably unlogged bioscans are rocking some fifty percent error margin.

    Play pfc if you want to rambo and assault hives. Not synth. Grab the intel kit if you want to help defcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladwhy View Post
    As I said, I left FOB after the xenos have retreated(long after) and when the bioscan showed 3 xenos left to do intel duty. I went behind enemy lines because I had terminals' data to upload in ETA and Lambda, there's no rule that I can't do that. Anyways, rule 5 does not apply here. I didn't suicide, I was searching for intel, that's all. Yes, my self-preservation comes first and I planned an escape route through Lambda if someone came, which didn't work out too well.

    "then called the entire hive down on yourself by assaulting the hive instead of NOPEing out of there."

    I would have left if there was no captured marine I could save easily by doing ghetto surgery. The lurker saw me get him up the roller bed and preparing to remove his embryo. When the lurker spotted me, I've reported to command that I have been seen and, indirectly, told them that I'm getting out of there. Queen came and got bodyblocked to death, that happens. It's not combat synthing.

    Also, I don't think you were bleeding the marines as no one was yelling on comms, everyone was calm. Perhaps you just wanted to delay as long as possible and got pissed I did something not against the rules.
    Although I agree that bit of a grey area, it feels as though you went beyond your regular duty by unnecessarily destroying hive assets. As a synth should be reporting the status of hive and it's content and not going about tearing it down as when going on intel duty you are already going a bit beyond your duty when needlessly tear down stuff then starts to become mighty questionable and if it's not a rule offense we might want to add it to Synth rules as I allowed or not this situation shouldn't be allowed to happen.

    A synth should be allowed to remove within reason hive assets, door blocks you then remove it, a marine close to being egged then remove the egg. A synths job shouldn't be to tear down structures and what should be done if anything is report and leave at most.

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    Council has reviewed this report and concluced that it is indeed a breach of guidelines.

    Ray will be getting a three week suspension.

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    Former staff, also former Synthetic senator.

    Now just a shitposter and lurker.

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