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Thread: LV Needs to Change

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    Senior Member BurningMetal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outcast Seer View Post
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    Solid.
    i agree.
    +1

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    Yeah, trying to find one specific reasons for why LV is fucked is a fairly futile effort. It's pretty much universally agreed that despite being the most played map in CM, LV is in probably the roughest shape of any of the maps still in the game. But let me go down a couple reasons, most shamefully ripped from existing replies.

    Fog - Probably the most annoying part of LV. Means that the gameplay is held up until at 12:40 at the very very earliest, and add another 10-20 minutes per gap. It's easy to spend an hour of gameplay without firing a single shot. And in the instance where there is actually a gap, it just becomes whichever marines rolled sniper or got iff gear vs the xenos boring enough to pick boiler. Some of the least interesting gameplay roles around, and they are the only ones who actually do much of anything. I have been around long enough to remember the days before fog existing on LV, and it still ended with marines fighting in the exact same fucking tiny caves they fight in now, which leads to the second thing.

    Caves - Oh dear god the fucking caves. The caves are seemingly intentionally designed to be as un-fun to fight in, for xenos and marines. For marines, it has the same issue as the gaps. Only one or two marines without IFF can have gameplay, and the help/harm intent shuffle gets people killed constantly, and dragged off so far they will never be reco-ed. For the xenos, its the same deal. Only a few bugs can have any actual influence, so its just a matter of who got to t3s first and can either kill one or two marines before running off, or go back to lobbing boiler gas from the other side of the caves.

    The fucking rest of it - Yeah most of the map is fine tbh. LZ2 is shite and we all know it, but the rest of the layout is perfectly serviceable as a jungle battleground. The idea of having defensible outposts connected by dangerous jungle is kinda neat, but it really just results in whoever is unlucky enough to get tackled dragged off deep into the jungle, or the bug that tries to kill em getting pb-ed into the shadow realm.

    A full rework is a good idea, but I can't for the life of me think of someone masochistic enough to actually try to pull it off. Plus the current LV is so ingrained in CM, good fucking luck actually getting the reworked added in.
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    remember, we're open sourced now.

    You can do all that stuff yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon914 View Post
    remember, we're open sourced now.

    You can do all that stuff yourself
    It easier to yell at someone to do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outcast Seer View Post
    Despite being one of the most popular maps, LV has a number of flaws that limit gameplay variety and encourages stalemates. The fact that "fog" needs to exist at all is a direct admission by mappers of LV's failings.
    LV is about 4 years old, it's the original map we made for "new CM".
    It's had slight improvements, changes, variations and overhauls over the years.. but in large has remained the same.

    It's sort of a nostalgic map at this point, but ya I'd agree it was created for a different time and different gameplay.

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