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Thread: On the upcoming CO/XO merge and its effect on current shipside RP

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChainsawMullet View Post
    I'm just going to quote my initial post because I already talked about why.
    I really do not think admins cracking hard enough on netspeak or the low rp sentences of the rabble is gonna solve the problem. That'd just be attacking the symptoms rather than the cause. All it will accomplish is that people will maybe stop saying netspeak but they'll just simply wordlessly click on shit as they already do and RP would still not be back.

    The real problem is the gameplay, it's , to put it simply, too frantic and streamlined to foster any kind of RP. Damage is mostly a minor concern after medical has been completely overhauled, a shitload of roles are now streamlined into monotony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentMountain View Post
    The real problem is the gameplay, it's , to put it simply, too frantic and streamlined to foster any kind of RP. Damage is mostly a minor concern after medical has been completely overhauled, a shitload of roles are now streamlined into monotony.
    That is the most truthful thing anyone said here. 100% agree with this. It's not so much a problem of admins or players (even tho they are both far from ideal) but the main reason we are loosing the battle for RP is simply because right now you don't need it to play the game. There is not a single mechanic in CM today that would force you to RP with people. The only talking you are ever required to do is giving orders as a command role, nothing more. Every other role can be done without a slightest player interaction. As a marine role you can get anything you want to from your squad prep and squad req. Medbay is stuffed so full of meds you could treat half a planet with it. Research has all the things they need coviniently in the labs already. Mess SGT has his own garden so he doesn't need to as research to grow him stuff. POs can install ship ubgrades themselves. There is just no mechanical dependency on anything. Deparments don't need anything from each other and are all self sufficient. Instead of having to go to the mess to eat when you are hungry you have food vendors on every corner. Paperwork is non existent because there is no feedback for it. Wheter it is a fax to HC or the Company 90% of the time its being ignored. These are all the things that are effectively removing all the need to even try and RP. You simply don't have any reasonable IC need to do it because it doens't accomplish anything.

    Wouldn't it be much better to have for example the IOs have to report their findings to the commander who would then send a fax report to HC and based on that the DEFCON would be raised? Have the POs put in a request for ship upgrades to engineering and have the engineers install it? Have research be able to actually affect the round by making better meds for the doctors who could start using them or invent special ammo that OTs can then manufacture but require exotic materials from the surface? Or better yet put a request in with the CL for some very high tech equipment required that he would then need to fax to the company and convince them to give him funding? Have spec kits at the round start kept in req or some special armory and have the specialists and SLs actually sit and talk who will take what?

    All of the above things are examples of gameplay mechanics and rules that would promote player interaction. And you need player interaction to be able to roleplay. And while yes the last step would be for the players themselves having to act in character while making these work (a slight nudge from the admins might help) at least they would have the oportunity and need to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulferion View Post
    The reson we have been given in town hall is that its because the dev team decided it would be best to have one person in charge of the new techweb system on each side. So Xenos will have the Queen and marines will have the commander who will either be XO or CO.
    then why not just give CO exclusive access to techweb, and if there's an XO but not CO within the first fifteen minutes of the round, XO gets techweb control?









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    Quote Originally Posted by kooarbiter View Post
    then why not just give CO exclusive access to techweb, and if there's an XO but not CO within the first fifteen minutes of the round, XO gets techweb control?
    and delay marine research of any techs by 15 minutes?
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    No need to delay its quite simple really. Have the XO have acess by default with the CO having the ability to take over should he want to. Surely its not so hard having one time command transfer for all the techweb functions.

    There has to be a system like that in place already in case XO doesn't wake up

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentMountain View Post
    BUT WHY, PRAY TELL ? WHY HAVE PLAYERS SUDDENLY DECIDED THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT RP AND WHY HAS THE GAME ATTRACTED A KIND OF PLAYER THAT WANTS TO WORDLESSLY CLICK ON XENO SPRITES?

    If you make game all about the TDM and the gameplay heavily discourages RP then yes, amazingly, the playerbase will feel no need to RP and you will attract more people that do not give a shit about RP.

    My god this is so dumb.
    Maybe because there is nobody good to roleplay with because everyone is a vindictive griefing manbaby, ever thought of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50RemAndCounting View Post
    Maybe because there is nobody good to roleplay with because everyone is a vindictive griefing manbaby, ever thought of that?
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    Is the gameplay discouraging of RP ? No it is the players who are bad.

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    This is quite sad. As someone who was an avid roleplayer on this server before taking a long break, these older roles and the old standards will be missed.

    It's a shame.

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    Personally, I am not a fan of the merge, I believe that merging CO/XO will remove the ability of the aCO to roleplay beyond standard operational leading.

    I think this will likely impact the CL role, make the CO/XO role more stressful (as well as forcing you rely on LTs more, who have a lower-bar than XO, leading a squad which has an SL with OW is one thing, leading an operation is another)

    I voiced my opinion on the CO council regarding this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solidfury7 View Post
    I voiced my opinion on the CO council regarding this matter.
    Yes, well. We all know how much say the CO Council has in what happens with it's own Whitelist, don't we.
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