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    Solidfury7 - Using MP rulings to soft grief

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Swagile

    Date of Incident
    November 29, 2020

    Your Character Name?
    Amira Young

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Solidfury7

    Accused Character Name
    William 'Mengele' Crimson

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    From 12:00 AM to around 1:30 PM.

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Using MP rulings to soft grief

    Description of the incident:
    Copy pasting part of my role ban appeal here:

    So the round started off like all others, with me rolling Spec and boot to lobby if I don't get it. I didn't get it, clicked join USCM, saw 0 SL's, and clicked SL. Saw only a few engis and medics (concerning, but comes up later in this appeal), gear up, mass vend req, and talk to my squad.

    XO says to leave our engis at FOB due to a lack of engis, which I agree to and make sure my squad knows that means we have to stick together since no cades = xeno advantage if we get hit hard enough to have defibbable marines.

    We get a briefing at Hangar and Charlie SL gets arrested (first warning signs of a bad operation start). I ignore this and don't interfere as the SL also complies peacefully. I go to Alamo when I get my orders to check for gaps in fog, and then as I am seated around 12:20, I see Charlie Spec also get arrested (second warning sign). Then I get told this isn't the only spec arrested; there is another spec arrested, and a engineer was being arrested as well.

    As a SL and CPT whitelist holder, I understand the flow of the game very well. I also know that being down TWO SPECS, an SL, and a Engineer (especially since we had only a few engis) would lead to massive issues as the game went on.

    Start of sorta new information:

    I was told they were arrested for "breaking a window", with the SL and Spec being put in for Aiding and Abetting for 10 + minutes (since I was also told they full stripped a few of the prisoners before they even started the timer).

    The reason I am making this report is because I believe Crimson spearheaded these arrests, as Brett (one of the other MP's I saw) is much more level headed and understanding; that doesn't mean he won't arrest, but not for something this minor. I am not sure of the other MP's histories as I don't know their names, I just know there was around 3-4 MP's.

    Specifically, this report is about Crimson, because this has become a massive pattern whenever Crimson is MP. He always uses Marine Law as a weapon against marines, using any excuse to put high timers on anyone he can get, which almost always cause problems if not outright mutinies. Ive said it time and time again as a joke, but its becoming a reality more and more.

    Whenever Crimson is MP (especially CMP) its a 50/50 coin flip on whether or not marines will mutiny. I don't know whether this is intentional by Solidfury, or how he plays his character, or whatever reasoning it is; I believe it has to stop.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    N/A

    How you would punish the accused:
    Either through an adjustment of Marine Law and what is acceptable (since MP's are more OOCly accountable nowadays than they are IC accountable), or cracking down on the people who abuse Marine Law in cases like this to stall or outright halt the entire round due to marines mutinying in protest.

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    I was an MP this round, I'm gonna give you an overview of the reasons the people in the brig were arrested before your boys started getting arrested, the arrested were charlie engineer, charlie specialist and charlie SL.

    Charlie engineer was arrested by Crimson and me for DASO, he has insulted both me and the CMP. He was given a chance to apologize by the CMP and he told us to go hang ourselves instead. He was arrested and given DASO and minor DTGP as he dismantled charlie prep earlier, apparently. I handled his processing, during which he said charlie SL ordered him to dismantle the prep, I told other MPs about this and I have marked charlie SL for aiding and albeitting minor DTGP, as he was encouraging the crime by issuing an unlawful order to his engineer, per which both the ordered and the person issuing the order get arrested.

    The specialist was arrested for constantly insulting the MPs and the CMP, I was told to arrest him for DASO and I double teamed him at the dropship with MP Brett McMatherson. Shortly after I heard about you and some marines refusing to deploy, I was handling the additional timers for some prisoners as they were breaking marine law in brig as well.

    You were told in MOOC by forest and Somenerd (I believe) to deploy and it would appear you refused, otherwise you wouldn't be jobbanned right now. We arrested around five more people for refusing to deploy and interfering, all of them got neglect of duty instead of desertion, so I would say we went easy on the marines this round, we could've been much worse.

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    @Swagile were you actually arrested by crimson or are you reporting him for what he did to the other players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThesoldierLLJK View Post
    @Swagile were you actually arrested by crimson or are you reporting him for what he did to the other players?
    Im reporting it because this is a consistent line of behavior where arrests whenever Crimson is on lead to the round stalling or outright mutinies being started.

    If this was not Crimson that caused the issues this round, then I apologize, and would retract the report. I am going off of 3rd hand information as I do not have access to logs or Discord so I can't ask the related parties personally.

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    I've read the logs, in regards to what you're reporting if marine break ML regardless of their rank, marine law violations are handled. I'm not gonna waste anyone's time here, and Nanu is currently indisposed at the moment.

    If the players who were arrested for their window breaking offenses feel they were grieved, they need to make a report.
    In your case you outright refuse to deploy, and even make cheeky IC/OOC references about the gods are gonna remove my squad leader position. Staff gave you a more fair chance, and you kinda left them no choice.

    You have no leg to stand on here, feel free to appeal your SL ban, but ill be real you don't have much of a chance with the admins.
    Last edited by ThesoldierLLJK; 11-29-2020 at 08:22 PM.
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    A follow up in regards to Military Police.

    Everyone in this community has the mentality that MPs are to "Soft Grief" marines in the first place. No, that's not the case. Military Police are to handle the IN-CHARACTER tomfoolery and issues instead of having staff deal with "Shitlery" or ban people because they broke a window, stole a gun, dismantled airlocks, etc...

    If you commit a marine law violation regardless of your rank, you have to face the consequences if caught. If a specialist gets jailed because they broke the game laws, they don't get a special pass, but that's why we have a CO Pardon/Appeal system. If an MP/CMP plays as a by the book ML type, that's their character, and that's what they choose to do.

    If people get jailed and it upsets "Round balance" that's just how it is. If you are disadvantaged as the marine side because a bunch of people decided to be funny and break a window and dismantle stuff, them is the bricks.

    If the community does not like the fact that squad requisitions are holding people up from "I NEED MUH UNGAS" we are open source now. Feel free to make a new map, submit it on our OS Gitlab, and see if a maintainer approves it. If you can come up with a better and efficient system, by all means, do it.
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