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    I will add that there were checks made if anyone wishes to appeal, they might not have been timely due to a riot/protest/jailbreaks whatever you want to call it, but riots/jailbreaks ALLOWS the suspension of appeals in either case; however there were extra checks later if i recall correctly. (im sorry if im merging 2 rounds with an radm involvement)

    Denying of medical treatment. im not too sure on this one, none of the prisoners looked injured where i was checking on them, but i did notice such a complaint on the coms. iirc for what i asked about that in round, that a was a self inflicted injury in an attempt to give the cmo an excuse to jailbreak. my understanding was that the cmp was taking care of it too.

    After a while a RADM was present and they took over all legal matters, they especially focused on appeals. IMO this special event would clear an XO form their normal duties of checking on the brig, much as it would with a CO. Despite this the XO called for the RADM multiple times, something which as far as i know the radm never got around to. The radm did also not get around to giving everyone a chance to talk to them directly. again, the right to an appeal is suspended if they are dealing with another appeal.

    There was no intentional attempt by the mps to deny or even delay any appeals to the best of my knowledge, but some may have been so due to the riots, and if they did it would still be covered under ml in such a circumstance. The CMP was still mostly around the brig during all of this, and the brig was usually staffed by multiple people too.

    that said, there werent many requests for appeals made to the mps, and those made as far as i know were grandad, but ultimately resolved as denied. (im using denied in a different sense from op)

    OOC wise, you have a first time XO, in and understaffed CIC, who can not legally overrule the CMP player, who is one of the mp mains. there was no real dissent from the mp department against the legality of the CMPs actions, at least no icly, which again was staffed by a few mps mains. i belive the xo knew this too. i believe they knew that a fax was made too; having the XO leave things up to HC/ahelps in such a situation seems reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ito726 View Post
    I will add that there were checks made
    Who are you and what's your role in this round.

    Quote Originally Posted by ito726 View Post
    but riots/jailbreaks ALLOWS the suspension of appeals in either case; however there were extra checks later if i recall correctly. (im sorry if im merging 2 rounds with an radm involvement)
    Appeals didnt happen even after post-riot and we're on green.

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    Denying of medical treatment. im not too sure on this one, none of the prisoners looked injured where i was checking on them, but i did notice such a complaint on the coms. iirc for what i asked about that in round, that a was a self inflicted injury in an attempt to give the cmo an excuse to jailbreak. my understanding was that the cmp was taking care of it too.
    There were complaints of no medical treatment, logs may show this.

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    IMO this special event would clear an XO form their normal duties of checking on the brig
    No one is saying "XO please check the brig, MPS ARE FUCKED." While the PM is there.

    The PM spawned because the XO had utterly fucked the dog so to say and he had to clean up.

    At that point it was the PM's game and court.


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    Despite this the XO called for the RADM multiple times
    Fax? No.

    Announcements? Once.

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    the right to an appeal is suspended if they are dealing with another appeal.
    No appeals were heard peroid, you just said.

    Quote Originally Posted by ito726 View Post
    but riots/jailbreaks ALLOWS the suspension of appeals in either case; however there were extra checks later if i recall correctly. (im sorry if im merging 2 rounds with an radm involvement)
    Your logic is skewered, make up your mind on what happended.




    Quote Originally Posted by ito726 View Post

    There was no intentional attempt by the mps to deny or even delay any appeals to the best of my knowledge
    PM didn't show up for fun and all those people didn't just cry abuse for lolz either.

    Intentional? Maybe not. Lack of understanding of ML and the role, most likely.

    This complaint focuses on the XO's inaction and negligence to the situation and failure to follow ML appeal standards and his job duties at the time.



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    that said, there werent many requests for appeals made to the mps
    Logs may dispute this.

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    OOC wise, you have a first time XO


    When does he ever say he's a first time XO?

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    who can not legally overrule the CMP player, who is one of the mp mains.

    Over rule... What?

    He made no attempts to hear appeals, investigate MPs or delegate anyone to hear appeals when the CMP wouldn't.

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    there was no real dissent from the mp department against the legality of the CMPs actions

    That's not what's being argued here, read the report.

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    i believe they knew that a fax was made too; having the XO leave things up to HC/ahelps in such a situation seems reasonable.


    No idea what you meant by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dialtone View Post
    Who are you and what's your role in this round.
    One of the mps, Kiara Miller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dialtone View Post
    Again, I'm sure there's a rule why non-witnesses should abstain from speaking because you added nothing but a loaded opinion here.
    So to clear this up, I had asked Frozen if he would allow me to put forward my view, since as I stated I was in a similar position 9 months ago and have had to XO on my own several times. And on top of him allowing me to put forward my view, he stated that if it wasn’t helpful it would be removed. Clearing that up first .

    Quote Originally Posted by Dialtone View Post
    XOs have a duty to hear appeals especially if a CMP is denying any hearing of appeals, maybe you aren't versed too well with ML.
    The man who leads the operations primary duty is, surprisingly to you, the operation itself. Saying this from my observations and experiences both as an XO and Xeno; An operation isn’t over till all of the xenos kicked the bucket. I’ve seen hives go from 3 to 30 because command ignored the ground OP to handle shipside affairs. You can’t multitask two different things at once such as the Brig and the Operation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dialtone View Post
    The PM spawned because the XO had utterly fucked the dog so to say and he had to clean up.
    I had actually spoken to James about the PM spawning(since I never had that) all he told me was that the Provost Marshall was handling the MPs as the operation went on, and didn’t speak much to him(logs may confirm or say this is BS). The Marshall, who chances are, is a member of staff, probably himself realized that the XO could do nothing about the situation since he had to put his focus onto the operation, and the marshall went on with it and tried to solve the Appeals and Medical problem on his own.

    James was stretched too thin from what I can tell with what you yourself said in this report, it was his first time having to manage all of CIC alone as he stated in his initial reply. I’m not sure how you think micromanaging over 80+ marines is possible for one guy? Your radio is gonna be flooded with chatter from everyone and you can’t gather all bits of info at the snap of your finger.

    As I said in my first reply, I hope Dub gets the logs out by the end of the day
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    There are so many things wrong with this report, I don't think I actually saw you once all round and the fact that your report is full of so many incorrect comments actually shows this.

    The full squad, bravo refused to drop to the LZ because the Bravo SL was detained by some MP for 20 minutes, he was a very co-operative prisoner and rather chill, he actually thought the following events were pretty dumb, and didnt engage in any of the issues later.

    They proceeded to do a "peaceful" protest, refusing to deploy and tried to storm the brig.

    The IO quite literally let them all in the brig to stage a jailbreak, it wasn't for saying "fuck MPs", this was the only IO detained all round and it was for aiding and abetting a jailbreak, not exactly a minor thing is it?

    The marines were given about 10 chances to deploy, before we started to detain them.

    Delta SL also staged a jail break with a specialist and another marine, the Bravo SL didnt even try to leave the jail because he thought the marines were being dumb.

    Medical treatment wasn't denied to prisoners, a CMO, who was being extremely problematic, trespassed the brig multiple times and fucked with shutters to chant about "corruption" in the usual fashion, and had to be told to actually go treat marines more than once....tried to gain access to the brig due to a marine (who he was talking to) punching himself 2-3 times to allow the CMO to enter. As the injury was minimal, we didnt need the troublemaking CMO to handle it as it quite literally needed a bandage (if that).

    No appeals were refused, your appeals were DENIED because we had multiple witnesses and you were caught in the act, the Provost Marshal knew that.

    XO, who was playing his first round as XO.... was handling the CIC alone during all of this and he wasn't required to appear, nor would I likely ask him to due to the fact that CIC was empty

    Honestly, this report has so many false statements and comments based on assumptions, it actually hurts my soul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solidfury7 View Post
    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    your report is full of so many incorrect comments actually shows this.
    Feel free to quote them for me.


    Quote Originally Posted by solidfury7 View Post
    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    The IO quite literally let them all in the brig to stage a jailbreak, it wasn't for saying "fuck MPs", this was the only IO detained all round and it was for aiding and abetting a jailbreak, not exactly a minor thing is it?
    No one said it was.

    Quote Originally Posted by solidfury7 View Post
    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    The marines were given about 10 chances to deploy, before we started to detain them.
    I'm guessing you're the CMP this round?

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    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    Medical treatment wasn't denied to prisoners, a CMO, who was being extremely problematic, trespassed the brig multiple times and fucked with shutters to chant about "corruption" in the usual fashion, and had to be told to actually go treat marines more than once....tried to gain access to the brig due to a marine (who he was talking to) punching himself 2-3 times to allow the CMO to enter. As the injury was minimal, we didnt need the troublemaking CMO to handle it as it quite literally needed a bandage (if that).
    So you didn't treat them because the CMO was insane?


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    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    No appeals were refused, your appeals were DENIED because we had multiple witnesses and you were caught in the act, the Provost Marshal knew that.
    Solidfury, as a senior mod and whitelist council member I'd like to ask you withdraw that statement.

    Not only, as a member of staff - do you lack any attention of detail, but you lack any details in this report.

    Had you read the report you'd know I'm the corporate liasion and I was never arrested.

    You're talking out of your ass as of now, you should really give the report an actual read instead of a skim, instead of your little buddy asking for help for you to shill for him.

    You need to wake up, and read the report properly before you make weird, baseless accusations.

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    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    XO, who was playing his first round as XO
    This again isn't my problem, Sniper's lack of attempt to find a SEA or in lieu of a SEA, mentorhelp to help him guide his first "XO run" or whatever is on him not me. I'm not sitting in the commander's chair, he is.


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    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    he wasn't required to appear
    Your right but he did nothing within his duties to investigate or to handle off appeals to someone else like a SO, like the CE, like any other officer of command, see the ML I quoted earlier.

    As the CMP, why did you deny appeals?

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    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    Honestly, this report has so many false statements and comments based on assumptions
    Like how you assumed I was a marine in bravo? Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by solidfury7 View Post
    I don't think I actually saw you once all round
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

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    it actually hurts my soul.
    I can back up all my statements while you simply cannot.

    What hurts my soul, and the communities is your dishonesty and lack of attention to read a standard complaint.

    You shouldn't be commenting just on the basis that you didn't bother to give me 5 minutes and read the complaint like any other reasonable staff member would do.

    You came in making assumptions and made yourself look like a fool by doing so and by flinging false accusations around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinThicc View Post


    The man who leads the operations primary duty is, surprisingly to you, the operation itself.
    Marine law and it's procedures do NOT take a back seat, nothing is above it in any standard.

    The whole round was ruined for people who couldn't appeal.

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    James was stretched too thin from what I can tell with what you yourself said in this report, it was his first time having to manage all of CIC alone as he stated in his initial reply.

    He was stretched thin and new but his inability to listen to his command, to follow ML and designate someone to deal with it is a lack of care for RP standard and failure of their duties.

    The matter of the fact is he could of made an announcement telling the CE to hear appeals, but he didn't why? The mission wasn't that pressing and the action of making this announcement would of been 5 seconds.


    (To my previous post)

    Sorry totally nuked that response (to solid) with the copy paste, if an admin could edit that the like 5-6 extra instances of my first response that'd be cool if not, all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidfury7 View Post

    No appeals were refused, your appeals were DENIED because we had multiple witnesses and you were caught in the act, the Provost Marshal knew that.
    I was the researcher, and I faxed because I heard that mps were refusing pen and paper for HC appeals, not refusing to hear verbal appeals.

    "Appeals to High Command
    An alternative to a normal appeal is an appeal to high command, this is an extra appeal a prisoner may do after having their appeal denied. If the prisoner is to be set up for execution. High Command has 10 Minutes to send a reply back. Should no reply arrive within the given timeframe, the execution may commence.When this right is invoked, this grants the prisoner the right to a pen and a paper to write a fax with to high command. If the prisoner has to be restrained due to, for example, self-harm, they have the right to dictate the fax but should not have their restraints removed. This fax, once written has to be faxed as soon as possible. During Delta Alert, threats mandating evacuation, or an hostile force is approaching, or onboard the ship this right may be denied."

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    [QUOTE=Dialtone;68885]I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

    Bruh was i not busy in cic by myself?

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    [QUOTE=sniperpilot1;68890]
    Quote Originally Posted by Dialtone View Post
    I was the CL not your SL, I had things to do or rather try to do until this all happended.

    Bruh was i not busy in cic by myself?
    Bruh ,You couldn't make an announcement designating the CE or another officer to hear appeals over the power tripping CMP?

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