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    Several unknown - Rule 4: Grief

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    Your Byond ID?
    Dr. Lance

    Date of Incident
    April 21, 2021

    Your Character Name?
    Bill Wilkerson

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Several unknown

    Accused Character Name
    Mason Spike, Mao Slayer, Yazmin Ramirez, Magnus 'Coriolanos' Mauer

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    7pm EST, Apirl 21st

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 4: Grief

    Description of the incident:
    I really dislike making reports, especially when i'm playing a character that I prefer not to be known as one of my own, but this really calls for an exception.

    I grab my shotgun, go to the Alamo. I'm a naked marine, so obviously it grabs a few people's attention. However, instead of pointing and laughing or making a funny remark, Mason Spike, Yazmin Ramirez, and Magnus Mauer begin to disarm spam me to try and steal my shotgun and drag me off the Alamo. It's whatever, I don't really care as this happens every now and then.

    What isn't supposed to happen is the Delta specialist, Magnus Mauer, purposefully disarm spam me after the others calmed down to force a gunshot from the disarmed hit. Obviously, Mason Spike and Yazmin Ramirez know this was a forced disarm shot. It clearly says it in chat, and neither of them are new players as far as I am aware. Regardless, they begin assaulting me again to try and steal my weapon claiming that I "Purposefully shot the Delta spec". We manage to land, and i'm trying not to cause a scene, and just get my shotgun and get off the ship. Mason Spike drags along Magnus and Mao Slayer, a Bravo RTO, and has them attempt to gun me down. Mao starts shooting at me, but didn't realize they had their B8 on their L42, so instead they began to hit me with the gun. I attempted to evade them, to stop the marines from ganking me with spam disarms, them assaulting me on the ground. Eventually, Mao picks up an E Tool and starts beating me with it. Eventually, I pull the only weapon I have left which is my boot knife, and stab them so they back off. The rest of the marines gang up on me, and Mason Spike, alongside Mao, a random bravo who was uninvolved previously, and Magnus gun me down.

    Mason Spike drags me onto the Alamo, and refuses all treatment of me. I had already ahelped before we even landed in the first place about the specialist purposefully disarming me to get me to shoot him, but it wasn't until around the time I was being killed when it was finally responded to. The Synth eventually steals my body, as all the marines involved are killed or arrested ICly for murder, as forced by ARES (The admin responding to my ahelp).

    Unfortunately, this backfires too. The ARES announcement gave literally zero context as to what they did beyond "Murder". The PO from earlier gets mad that I was not arrested for defending myself against OOC rulebreaks, and lies to the MPs, telling them that I killed people in Bravo Prep. A straight lie because he's mad his friends got in trouble.

    The MPs arrests me with zero investigation, I ahelp, but it's unheard of until long after the situation is "resolved" in the brig. Marines are pissed because they have no idea what the arrested marines did to get arrested, plus they saw me get falsely arrested, so a jailbreak occurs, of which frees me, but leaves me without an ID and in the dark, without a weapon. Thankfully a marine dropped me off a weapon, but by this point xenos had landed and it was far too late to reposition myself anywhere outside of the CIC Brig area, effectively securing my death.

    All of the involved parties blatantly griefed me, yet in the end I was the only one "Punished" at all. The marines who died before they got arrested dodged any "punishment" they were supposed to receive, the marines who got arrested were almost immediately freed to both a jailbreak, and the xenos crashing. The PO who could've stayed uninvolved after the entire situation purposefully has me falsely arrested because he's mad I was in the right. In the end, the only person who was punished was me, because I had to go through all that shit which essentially ended my round, as I was dead until evac occurred planetside, then immediately arrested when the xenos crashed in the Almayer.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    Logs will come by soon. Expect a shit ton of disarm logs, a few punch logs, a bunch of M4A3 logs, a couple L42 logs, some knife logs.

    How you would punish the accused:
    The IC punishments were far too lax for what occurred through the round. The proper punishments for breaking rule 4 should be applied in this scenario.

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    I was the Synthetic, Jacobs.

    I only interacted with this for a short period of time, however I can confirm the portion of the report that involves me. I found him dead aboard the Alamo with a medic, Spike, sitting next to him not treating at all. I was informed by another person aboard that Spike was refusing to treat or let Wilkerson be treated. Afterwards I moved him off the dropship to treat him, his wounds were basically all in the chest and groin as concentrated brute.

    Evacuation proceeded and witnessed no notable events shipside from Wilkerson, only noticing that he was arrested for murder over MP comms.
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    pulling logs
    "Come on chaps! Why just dust off the OB flames it'll create. Nothing the USCM can't handle!"
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    [17:08:22]ACCESS: Login: Dr. Lance/(Bill Wilkerson)

    Disarming logs + Accidental Discharge

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    Reaction to misfire

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    Bill Wilkerson's body fiasco

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    accused are arrested by MPs + wilkerson is arrested & Mao is banned

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    Evacuation is underway + Ahelp is marked

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    Ok, excuse me not covering in depth the MP accusations Bill did, but really the logs were already very, very large & you are simply accusing those 4 original people so for the sake of brevity, It is tailored to those 4 people.

    TLR 2 of the accused died before IC punishment policy could be levied upon them, Magnus got executed, and Mao got banned for a month due to racial slurs
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    Thank you, Warfan.

    I don't feel like discussing everything through these logs, but i'll point out some key points.

    Mason Spike was planning to shoot me before I retaliated a single time. I threw maybe 5 punches compared to around 50 give or take disarms, plus being beaten by rifles and E-Tools, and before I even drew my knife, he said "[17:19:44]SAY: Mason Spike: I think I can already shoot him down (CKEY: LCMS1) (JOB: Squad Medic)". Essentially, this shows intent that he just wanted to kill me.

    Moments before he discussed shooting me, however, he tried to stop the RTO Mao Slayer from doing so. "[17:18:43]SAY: Mason Spike: Dont shoot him dammit... (CKEY: LCMS1) (JOB: Squad Medic)". This shows proof that the RTO attempted to shoot me, but missed, as the logs don't show since he didn't hit me.

    These two moments clearly show that Mason was trying to skate the rules as best he could to try and kill me, while the RTO just ignored the rules altogether.

    The Delta specialist was just a moron who didn't know disarms could cause accidental discharges. All he had to do was read the chat box and that whole situation could've been resolved.

    Just about everything here was avoidable. Unfortunately, people can't handle acting within good reasoning. Thank you Warfan for pulling the logs.

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    CMP of that round here.

    Since the mod and poster was interested of the mp pov of the round. Ill give a brief summary.

    Brig was super busy in the last 20 minutes. there were 2 perma prisoners that weren't afk and were likely waiting on a jailbreak, 4 more expected murderers, some who were jailed others dead and one i have no idea, and him. I think there were normal prisoners too, but i forget by now. Ohh and a mutiny/riot/jailbreak started by delta SL for the arrest of delta spec.

    "The MPs and PO still purposefully had me charged on false charges. They STILL after all that shit tried to kill my round." to this claim, ill presume the PO lied (and this should be verified as you are accusing them in the report), unfortunately, doc kinda fucks you over too.
    [17:34:21]SAY: Jacqueline Sato [General]: Hey MP's. Theres a naked marine running around shootin' shit and people named something Wilkerson. Billy Wilkerson or something. (JOB: Doctor)
    And the PO ordered arrest and (presumed an impartial witness at the time), mean you were gonna go to jail without any ill intent on the mp side.

    As for refusal for release on hijack and generally hostile demeanor (compared to usual) of mps towards the jailbreak/riot. People in for murder (especially the LRP kind, which you were accused of more or less), are not people mps are willing to let out. They especially are not willing to let out when Gods tell an mp they demand a blood sacrifice out of one of them (i have no idea of the exact wording the admins used, but the mp reported it as something like that to me). I forgot my exact wording of orders when they breached brig (this was an informal mutiny/riot kinda deal during hijack), but i had no intention of letting any escapes at all, even if this meant lethals were gonna be used on everyone involved, however, and to my surprise, no one was willing to be the first to use lethals on either side, even after my orders that were done publicly as opposed to the usual coms. (i did release the first 2 permas from jail, and one of them did aid the rioters in the jailbreak, but none of the ares or post evac ones were intentionally released).

    As such i dont believe their claim that they were purposefully griefed by mps has much merit. I do think their end of round may have been ruined however. I think that attempts at justice for them by the mp side was carried out by having all mps on standby to arrest his killers, by the mps attempting to execute the killers, and by an mp actually killing one (after admins asked). But it was short of opening fire on both, him when he was escaping, and the riot/mutiny that was there to save him and his killers. As for his lack release by the mp side, circumstances didnt really permit for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ito726 View Post
    CMP of that round here.

    Since the mod and poster was interested of the mp pov of the round. Ill give a brief summary.

    Brig was super busy in the last 20 minutes. there were 2 perma prisoners that weren't afk and were likely waiting on a jailbreak, 4 more expected murderers, some who were jailed others dead and one i have no idea, and him. I think there were normal prisoners too, but i forget by now. Ohh and a mutiny/riot/jailbreak started by delta SL for the arrest of delta spec.

    "The MPs and PO still purposefully had me charged on false charges. They STILL after all that shit tried to kill my round." to this claim, ill presume the PO lied (and this should be verified as you are accusing them in the report), unfortunately, doc kinda fucks you over too.
    [17:34:21]SAY: Jacqueline Sato [General]: Hey MP's. Theres a naked marine running around shootin' shit and people named something Wilkerson. Billy Wilkerson or something. (JOB: Doctor)
    And the PO ordered arrest and (presumed an impartial witness at the time), mean you were gonna go to jail without any ill intent on the mp side.

    As for refusal for release on hijack and generally hostile demeanor (compared to usual) of mps towards the jailbreak/riot. People in for murder (especially the LRP kind, which you were accused of more or less), are not people mps are willing to let out. They especially are not willing to let out when Gods tell an mp they demand a blood sacrifice out of one of them (i have no idea of the exact wording the admins used, but the mp reported it as something like that to me). I forgot my exact wording of orders when they breached brig (this was an informal mutiny/riot kinda deal during hijack), but i had no intention of letting any escapes at all, even if this meant lethals were gonna be used on everyone involved, however, and to my surprise, no one was willing to be the first to use lethals on either side, even after my orders that were done publicly as opposed to the usual coms. (i did release the first 2 permas from jail, and one of them did aid the rioters in the jailbreak, but none of the ares or post evac ones were intentionally released).

    As such i dont believe their claim that they were purposefully griefed by mps has much merit. I do think their end of round may have been ruined however. I think that attempts at justice for them by the mp side was carried out by having all mps on standby to arrest his killers, by the mps attempting to execute the killers, and by an mp actually killing one (after admins asked). But it was short of opening fire on both, him when he was escaping, and the riot/mutiny that was there to save him and his killers. As for his lack release by the mp side, circumstances didnt really permit for it.
    If I believed the MPs intentionally griefed me, I would have put their names in the report. I didn't because they didn't know who was lying or not. I talked to a number of them in the discord after the round ended, and each of the ones I talked to said that the PO told them I killed people in Bravo prep. While the MPs didn't "grief" me, they seriously failed to investigate anything involved with what happened, because if I had really killed people, where the fuck were the bodies?

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    Mauer has been perma banned from previous incidents and because of such a note will be placed for this report. LCMS1 will be getting a 24 hour ban for griefing. Myriri will be getting a 24 hour ban as well.
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