Staff Report - jakkkk

[Jaaackx]

Staff Report

Your BYOND Key

Jaaackx

Date of Incident

November 7, 2021

Your Character Name?

Morrigan Hammond

Their BYOND Key

jakkkk

Approximate time and date of the incident

14:30 Central US roughly

Which Staff Protocols (//showthrea...-and-Protocols) were broken

- Ensure that all incidents are adequately investigated before giving a ruling.
- We're a server focused on the enjoyment of the players. As long as the players are having a blast and not every single rule is being broken, it's okay to let some things slide here and there.
a. This is very important because the seriousness should match the punishment. For example: using light netspeak (emoji's and such) is not a bannable offense for first time offenders; however, killing a marine for an insufficient reasons is.
a. Determine the bare minimum punishment. There's no reason to jump straight to a ban, especially if the incident didn't cause a major disruption to the game. Try to use warnings, and if you do need to ban don't be excessive. Most bans should not be above 24 hours.

Description of the incident

I rolled Pyro Spec.

The Alamo was engaged in a chair duel for pretty much the entire time before deployment. I joined in with this duel as the dropship was moving to LZ. Some dude got bad RNG, got a bone broken. The fight was non-lethal, nobody was actually dying.

This person (who I'd tell you the name of, if I wasn't banned), decided this bit of bad luck in a friendly, fun silly chair fight that was taking place across the entire dropship should be responded to by wordlessly pulling out their gun and shooting me to death with AP.

I panicked, pulled out my flamer, tried to shoot them with orange flame. I was on green flame accidentally, the person I was defending myself against and a few others died because of an explosion nearby caused by said flame.
It was funny. I'm not gonna lie, it was. Dsay was laughing their asses off, everyone got revived, there wasn't any real harm done. That doesn't mean it wasn't 100% a mistake, but everyone who died seemed to take it in good faith and got back in the fight after a minute or so.

I was then admin sleeped out of nowhere a few minutes later and bwoinked. I apologised, made it clear it was a mistake. The admin still decided that it was appropriate to totally ignore this and slap a 24 hour ban on me.

So, in summary, I was the victim of shitty escalation from someone else. I made a silly mistake whilst responding with absolutely 0 malice whatsoever, and because of that I get a 24 hour ban and lose the round I rolled Spec. I've not had a ban in, like-.. 6 months to a year at the MINIMUM (as far as I remember). Protocols say to give out warnings, not unnecessarily intervene/slap punishments when people are having fun, give minor punishments if the person isn't a consistent nuisance.

I made a mistake whilst responding to awful escalation, I apologised repeatedly, everyone got revived, there was zero malice whatsoever, I got banned for 24 hours.

Evidence

I have none, I would have taken screenshots but I was banned before I had any opportunity whatsoever to defend myself/prepare myself for this.

What resolution are you seeking?

The ban to be lifted, or scrubbed from my notes if it's expired. I'd also like the asshole that decided this was appropriate to, y'know, not do that in future.

[Jaaackx]

I'll add that my main issue is that this is literally just punishing for the sake of punishing, when it was very clearly a mistake and I apologised repeatedly. If there's no malice involved and everything got fixed within two minutes of the incident happening, is there really any need whatsoever to go slapping bans on?

[Jaaackx]

Cannot edit my existing posts but now have video of it from the opposing perspective. Person involved in a non-lethal chair fight of their own volition without a helmet got a bone broken, and then decided to go lethal because of it. Epic. https://streamable.com/e57nw5

[Jaaackx]

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Last reply, sorry for the spam, I keep finding new stuff. Please note the fact that I wasn't actually even the one who BROKE the bone, so the attempted murder-by-shooty was even less warranted.

[Bob_Vancleave]

Hey. I was the who they intended to flame.

I was having a fist fight with some chum named Blake and Hammond wordlessly joined in and started smashing my shit with a chair, continuing to do so even after I told them that they broke my head.

My head was broken, and my vision turning red I feared for my life. Deciding to use my weapon, I fire a burst from my M41 at them in self defense. Hammond's response, was to use their flamer. Unfortunately, it was on greenflame which not only fried me, but atleast 5 other people and set of an SG belt on the Alamo, causing an explosion.

From my knowledge, you weren't banned for defending yourself, both of us followed escalation. You were banned because in defending yourself, you killed 5 other people. If you used your secondary weapon it wouldn't of been such a big issue. Also, not knowing what setting your flamer is on isn't an excuse, it's your weapon and therefore your responsibility, especially as a specialist.

I have the full recording and I'm able to answer any questions. Cheers.

[Jaaackx]

I was having a fist fight with some chum named Blake and Hammond wordlessly joined in and started smashing my shit with a chair, continuing to do so even after I told them that they broke my head.

You are very much misrepresenting it. It wasn't just the two of you fighting, Blake was attacking Vance (as visible in the clip), half of the Alamo had been fighting with chairs for the last 5 minutes.

Blake Howard broke your head. I whacked you with a chair in the foot, you responded with punches, we fought. You got the 'You feel broken bones moving in your head', assumed that was the break message caused by me. You said I broke your head, I didn't hit you a single time after that point, and then you just started trying to shoot me to death with no escalation.

In a panic, I pulled out the flamer and tried setting you on fire. If you hadn't bumped into me and pushed me south of the pile of laying bodies, nobody would have been directly in the path. It's not fair to blame a Specialist panicking and misusing their weapon because you decided to try and shoot someone to death with AP for bashing you in the foot 3 times with a chair.

I'm not reporting you, I'm disputing the ban. You made a mistake in deciding to shoot me to death over 3 hits from a force 1.0, mainly stamina damage chair. I made a mistake in using the wrong fire type. It's not reasonable to ban for either.

Again, this is basically an admin taking an issue with me panicking when responding to poorly escalated murder and using the wrong type of flame.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

You posted this "I'd also like the asshole" and decided to call out the staff member on discord and curse them out.

Yeah no, we're not entertaining this. The rules clearly state you are responsible and if your intent is not to grief, but it causes grief you can be held accountable. Flaming a bunch of marines by proxy is not acceptable and they're victims in this case. Negligent friendly fire is one thing, but if you intentionally try to harm another marine and cause harm to other marines, it falls under griefing.