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    Unknown - Rule 3, 11

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    MrMinimoose

    Date of Incident
    November 14, 2021

    Your Character Name?
    Joshua 'Bandit' Saiga

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    Unknown

    Accused Character Name
    Brett McMatherson

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    12:20 PM

    What rule(s) were broken:
    Rule 3, 11

    Description of the incident:
    Round had started, I was Delta SL, and had taken about 4 minutes to prep. After smalltalk and asking for any requests from my vendor, I hear chatter on the general Almayer communication and delta channel to come to briefing over some incident. I arrive at around 12:10 round time and see Delta RTO John 'Tortuga' (I forget his last name.) being forced to construct chairs he had dismantled by two MPs, one being Pablo "Pablito" Garcia, and the other was Brett McMatherson himself. It seemed normal at first, including the RTO asking me for help, and I simply watched, believing this was a lawful detaining and punishment for doing so without SOP changes as there was no CO. Brett, noticing me, and the RTO asking for help, began repeatedly asking what I believe to be a trap question, asking if I had ordered him to deconstruct those chairs. I tried to remain neutral, especially since it was so early in the round no one had orders to speak of. I tried to choose my words carefully and told him "My orders are that he can do what he wants," trying to remain neutral and out of the situation, intending to say that he could do what he wanted to, and be punished for wrongdoing by himself, though I never thought to clarify this. I learned shortly after by Pablo that I was marked for arrest, presumably by Brett taking that answer to mean I directly ordered the RTO to deconstruct chairs. He then took me into custody at the brig while Brett tried to question what exactly he was planning to do and took me to a side room alone. He told me his suspicions and disagreement with the arrest mark and set me free out of the main entrance, as Brett noticed me leave and protested. Important to note is that throughout this time onward, the delta squad channel was lighting up with incensed marines ready to protest as usual, though I did constantly try to calm the crowd from creating a larger-scale incident. The detainment made me late enough to the Alamo launch that I was not able to board (blocked by another MP, go figure) and was shoved out, so I pouted for a moment, calmed the delta squad again, and started small talk with Pablo and another MP. Brett then arrived at the scene, trying to arrest me again on the same charge. I was taken to brig and put into a cell by Brett personally this time, and let out about 10 seconds later by yet another MP disagreeing with the charge. This is where my perspective on the incident ends, as I managed to make it to an Alamo launch with the help of command, although I did land to a besieged and soon-to-fall FOB. One thing worthy of note is that when I finally reached groundside, I was made aware that the SG and SADAR spec of delta squad were arrested, and they told me they wanted to see me (Not sure what the spec did, but the SG did sit in the open area of the brig in silent protest at my first arrest). Last thing to note is according to the whispers of multiple people talking into channels I couldn't hear, (most likely the MP channel) multiple MPs and even the CMP of the round himself, Jean Corbeau, disagreed with the arrest(s) and situation that had been created.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    The logs of the initial arrests are lost to me at the time of writing this, but here are screenshots of the events afterwards.
    https://imgur.com/ewlUTyI
    https://imgur.com/0VfGEEr
    https://imgur.com/C59IvFz
    https://imgur.com/geOtkCP

    What resolution are you seeking?
    At worst, a heavy warning to the player of Brett McMatherson, as well as logs/clarification on other perspectives as I had almost no idea what was going on, if anything, aside from me trying to calm marines.

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    Witness CE here

    I was there for the initial reconstructing of the chairs, the RTO tried to give the excuse that the CO authorised him to do it, but this was foiled with a simple manifest check proving there was no CO. He then told the MPs that his SL had ordered him/permitted him to do it (Can't remember exactly). So Brett had some IC reason to suspect you had ordered the RTO to decon the chairs.
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    I was playing as Brett McMatherson

    From my point of view this is what was happening: I found RTO, who was deconning chairs, told them to rebuild those, they tell me, that their SL told them to scavenge metal (After lying about CO). SL comes to briefing and I ask them, if they ordered medic to scavenge metal. Instead of saying "yes" or "no" Squad Leader proceeded to give, what I believe are, evasive answers (Such as, "No, but they can scrap chairs". I do not have logs of said incident, so it is how I remember his answers). In the end, he said, that his order is that RTO can deconstruct chairs, which I interpreted as that he ordered his RTO to scavenge chairs. I thus marked him for an arrest and Garcia proceeded with an arrest. In brig Garcia decided to release him, because he disagreed with charge, without issuing NJP. In Hangar I saw SL again and asked MPs, that were standing there I asked, if SL was NJP'ed (I asssumed, that his NJP was to miss first drop or something similiar), they replied, that SL was not NJP'ed. I proceeded to give them chance to issue NJP, if they wish to, around 20 seconds later I proceeded with arrest of squad leader. Squad leader was released after processing without proper appeal by some MP.

    Regarding SG and specialist: they both called their squad to come shipside and came shipside themselves. I do believe, that it falls under Disorderly Conduct, since they were calling for their squad to leave planet and return to Almayer.

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    Logs assigned to Podrick Equus
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    Hello, sorry for the delay, I've had precious little free time due to Thanksgiving obligations. I'll be pulling logs for this very soon.

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    As a preface, I would like to point out that the server logs do not show people deconstructing or building chairs. The ckey of the accused, Brett McMatherson, is Rals.

    The confrontation between mainly John and Brett in the Briefing room regarding chair deconstruction. Some combat logs added for context.

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    Brett asking Delta SL if he had ordered the RTO to deconstruct chairs.

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    Just so it is known, here is every single sentence that Joshua has said prior to the above conversation. Note that he did not give any orders to anyone.

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    For some reason the server does not log people marking others for arrest. This passage details the arrest of the Delta SL by Pablo. John protested this, but did not interfere, so his responses are not included here.

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    Pablo setting Joshua free, presumably because they disagreed with Joshua being marked for arrest. Some input from Brett and Jean (Chief MP) included.
    (Note: Brett was arresting John at the same time that this next conversation was going on. I have not included logs for that as I don't believe they are necessary for this report, but I can grab them if they are needed)

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    Joshua's next arrest in the Hanger. He is brought to the brig. An argument over MP comms is also shown here.

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    CMP Expressing their disapproval of the situation.

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    There are further logs of Brett continuing to mandate that Joshua should be arrested for giving unlawful orders, but everything from here on out feels repetitive so I will not include the logs unless I am asked to retrieve them.

    Please let me know if there are any other logs that I need to fetch.

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    Alright, I think I've seen what I wanted to see, I'd like to have this thread closed.

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    Once the logs are posted the thread may no longer be withdawn.
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    I've reviewed the logs, looks like everything was done "in-character" and there were marine law violations.
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