2021/12/19: [20:34:17]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): That's animal cruelty.
2021/12/19: [20:34:27]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): IT'S ANIMAL CRUELTY TO PLAY THE ROLE OF MESS SERGEANT. THE FUCK.
2021/12/19: [20:34:46]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): To kill a monkey for meat yes.
2021/12/19: [20:34:55]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): It is literally called farming.
2021/12/19: [20:35:07]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): Why am I being punished for playing a role
2021/12/19: [20:35:26]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Unfortunately only researchers are exempt from killing monkeys for research purposes. You shouldn't need to kill monkeys for meat.
2021/12/19: [20:35:47]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): There are 8 slabs of meat and I'm using them all. Why the fuck am I being arrested for playing a role. This is fucking absurd.
2021/12/19: [20:36:03]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): You're skewing it, you're arrested because I assume you killed a monkey.
2021/12/19: [20:36:28]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): I put a monkey in a gibber to get meat. Which is literally part of the role of farming. Why the fuck am I being PUNISHED for playing MY ROLE
2021/12/19: [20:37:01]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Did you kill a monkey?
2021/12/19: [20:37:40]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): I put a monkey in a gibber to get meat, which is required to keep the kitchen going.
https://gyazo.com/dfe7d7cc0d96c75e806f77ce6e87aa93 - I have no malicious intent. I want meat.
2021/12/19: [20:38:16]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): You are SERIOUSLY ruling this as a valid arrest? A Mess Sergeant getting meat?
2021/12/19: [20:39:08]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): I'm pretty sure its valid unless you're one of the exemptions at the end.
2021/12/19: [20:39:51]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): You are 'pretty sure'. I have no malicious intent. I am farming an animal to get meat, to play a role. Do you want to get a senior mod/admin to weigh in on this?
2021/12/19: [20:40:01]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): Because me being brigged. For playing my role. Is absolutely fucking bullshit.
2021/12/19: [20:40:12]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Assistant manager weighed in on it, it's a valid arrest.
2021/12/19: [20:40:28]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): The non malicious part implies accidental.
2021/12/19: [20:40:36]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): That is absolutely fucking autistic. What the fuck? I get arrested for getting more meat?
2021/12/19: [20:40:56]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): It's not even illegal to gib HUMAN corpses. But Monkeys spawned from cubes? GOD FUCKING FORBID SOMEONE DOES THAT.
2021/12/19: [20:41:35]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): It is illegal to do that as well.
2021/12/19: [20:41:43]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): No it isn't. Show me where.
2021/12/19: [20:41:51]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Unfortuantely you'll just have to trust in the appeal process.
2021/12/19: [20:42:09]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): I can't even trust in fucking staff apparently. And because you went and checked, staff reporting you will do absolutely nothing.
2021/12/19: [20:42:39]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): Holy fuck +25 mins for this shit.
2021/12/19: [20:43:03]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): I checked with a manager for you, you can go ahead and staff report if you wish, but you are trying to change POLICY, staff report is when staff do something incorrectly. You want the #community-feedback channel in the discord.
2021/12/19: [20:43:53]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): (By policy I mean ML here, I suppose)
2021/12/19: [20:44:14]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): I'm banned from the discord because I pissed off Silencer. You, yourself, have ruled me doing my job, as a violation of Marine Law. Which staff agrees with, apparently.
2021/12/19: [20:44:27]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): How do you not see how utterly fucking unfair that is?
2021/12/19: [20:44:46]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): I ruled the killing of the monkey a violation, killing monkeys is not your job. I would appeal the discord ban or you are free to make a discussion in the forums, I can't change ML.
2021/12/19: [20:45:44]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): I'm going to be as polite as I can here.
2021/12/19: [20:46:52]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): The way I am seeing it. Which is apparently the way all the staff see it, is that killing a monkey in order to get meat, which is pretty much nessecary with how little meat there actually is, is a violation of Marine Law and I should spend UPWARDS of 25 minutes in the brig for it. Is that correct?
2021/12/19: [20:48:21]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Yes killing a monkey is a volation of ML, regardless of reasoning. Unless its one of the exemptions mentioned. Everryone knows the ML timers are rediculously long and I do not have the power to change anything regarding that. I'm unsure if you can order meat from req but you could give that a try if that's even possible.
2021/12/19: [20:59:25]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): Once the round is over I'll be putting a staff report up for "Preserve the RP and enjoyment of the Server" being broken. I'm pretty fucking sickened that Moderations fallen this far as that people playing a role deserve to be punished. As much as I want to hold it against you, I suspect you're just signing from a hymn sheet given to you by your senior mods. Which is ashame beacuse I had hoped staff would think for themselves.
2021/12/19: [21:03:28]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): I'm sorry you feel that you believe i've made a mistake in that aspect. I believe I've followed the wording of ML on this, which has some RP aspects in it as well, as it is a military vessel.
2021/12/19: [21:06:19]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Working Joe): Silencer wants me shoved in a box and my mouth taped, apparently they are pushing for me not to have an appeal. That's besides the point. The point is, CM used to be fucking fun. I used to hold CM staff in the HIGHEST regard because of how they'd handle issues and their rulings being more or less fair. This just proves to me that either you yourself cannot put yourself in other peoples shoes and, like MPs themselves, go with what a wiki page tells them is right and wrong, or are required to do so by your superiors. I honestly don't know which is worse. Yeah. Punishing players for playing their role. Never thought I'd see CM go so fucking far down the shitter.
2021/12/19: [21:08:32]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Everyone knows ML's timers are terribly long, it's been discussed before. The argument here is for ML, therefore I have to go with what the page says, as what you violated is ML...
2021/12/19: [21:08:54]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): I heard a bwoink but it got swallowed by the void. No message.
2021/12/19: [21:09:01]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Repeating: Everyone knows ML's timers are terribly long, it's been discussed before. The argument here is for ML, therefore I have to go with what the page says, as what you violated is ML...
2021/12/19: [21:09:35]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina):
https://gyazo.com/8eee412d0947899981...eedd491e8308e6
2021/12/19: [21:10:43]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): Can you seriously not see the problem with someone being punished by IC enforcement for 30 minutes for just doing their job?
2021/12/19: [21:12:20]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): Sure, but this isn't an edge case, and HC ruled it, along with the Captain (from your denied appeal) and the CMP I believe or whomever arrested you.
2021/12/19: [21:13:27]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina): HC didn't rule it as far as I know and the appeal was handled by a Staff Officer as sent by a representative by the XO. You honestly don't see the problem with the CMP just brigging someone for doing their job, not understanding the 'Spirit of the Law' or even the overall RP enjoyment of the server in general. That's the problem. By the looks of it it's not just you who has this problem.
2021/12/19: [21:16:29]ADMIN: PM: Decker100/(Molly Williams)->Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina):
//showthrea...8507#post78507 - This is more a report against the sort of reasoning you've clearly been told to use but I still feel you are being disgustingly unfair in preserving the overall enjoyment of the server.
2021/12/19: [21:16:54]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): I'm telling you OOCly what HC would have ruled.
2021/12/19: [21:17:47]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Hope Molina)->Decker100/(Molly Williams): I understand. We are allowed 0.0 to override rule breaks in the interest of a current round, but this is for rule breaks, not marine law rule breaks, which is an IC issue.