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    envarm - Commanding Officer Application

    Commanding Officer Whitelist Application
    Personal Information

    Byond ID?
    envarm

    Player Name You Use Most?
    Faycal Pom

    Make a list of links to all of your ban appeals as well as whitelist and staff applications (both accepted and denied) submitted within the past year. For appeals, provide an additional ban reason and the appeal’s verdict next to the link.
    None.

    Have you received any bans in the last month?
    No

    What is your timezone in UTC?
    UTC + 3

    What is your discord username and handle?
    Faycal#6941

    Basic Questions & Story

    What do you think is the job of a Commander?
    IC: leading by example, bridging a connection between departments of the USCM, deducing and deciding on tactical and or decisive decisions, and maximizing the efficiency of the resources and personnel through communication and action at any given task.

    OOC: providing a more unique experience for the marines by not overly using run of the mill plans for certain deployments, and likewise for the xenomorphs. I intend on utilizing some more unorthodox approaches to operations, and consequently enjoy the operation more myself, which may make others enjoy it too.

    Why do you want to be a Commanding Officer?
    I've become more of a grand strategist across all the time I've spent on strategizing through strategic video games, chess, and wargames. I've also always leaned towards being more of a leader than a follower. I quite enjoy the fact that I can more probabilistically influence the personnel of the USCM into taking certain actions, which would additionally confer a bigger chance of altering the flow of a round. Final additional point is I'd like to also be able to deploy, as although I do quite enjoy commanding through CIC; I find it far more fun to do so in the field, and I like to make inspirational speeches as a leader, or at least quite funny speeches that would make the marines smile during operations that may otherwise be quite grueling at times. Even during the hardest times, one can still enjoy their time, and that can be good for morale at times.

    Provide a short story of your Commanding Officer.
    Experience

    How familiar are you with command positions?
    Quite familiar in CM, very familiar in general.

    Approximately how many hours do you have as Executive Officer (XO) at the time of writing this application?
    30+ after the timers reset, maybe 50+ prior to it.

    How familiar are you with Department Head positions?
    Quite familiar, I do understand what they need and or want, as well as how to deal with their situations.

    How familiar are you with Marine Law and Standard Operating Procedure?
    For Marine Law I now have between a basic to advanced understanding, and for SOP I have a above average understanding.

    Scenarios

    When do you believe a Battlefield Execution should be used?
    Example 1: an individual attempting to incite mutiny against me which would put the operation at risk, that is if the MPs are unable to arrest them.

    Example 2: Delta SL is attempting to incite mutiny due to a failed maneuver they've been tasked with performing. They demand that the CO gives up their control of the ship; due to the marines being armed and the fact they performed sedition, their leader should be the target of a BE in this case to potentially destroy the entire mutiny before it starts.

    Example 3: CE breaks into the CO's room and attempts to steal Jones against the CO's order. The CE refuses to listen to the CO to cease harassing the CO's pet, and the CE decides to throw Jones far away in order to get some room, damaging Jones in the process. The CO walks to Jones, sees that its gasping its last breathes. Holds Jones close with his hands as it slowly dies. The CO has too much toxic masculinity to cry, so instead its a silent while. He looks at the CE, angry at the fact that he killed Jones. Pulls out the Mateba, first shot out. Bang, it wasn't a miss. Nay, it was a headshot. the CE falls to the ground before he was even able to respond. The CO comes near him while saying "For you, I'm the judge, and the executioner". Another shot, and it's done.

    Under what circumstances do you believe it is legal to pardon a prisoner?
    The operation requires a certain personnel to operate it to maximize the efficiency of the USS Almayer. If those individuals commit NoD, FTFP and or DSAO then it'd be wise to pardon them if it'd be unfeasible for someone else to do their job, as long as they don't commit the same mistake twice, and apologize for it.

    Two marines get rowdy and begin punching each other, one of them pulls out a gun and shoots the other dead. In this case, they've committed murder. Murder is a crime that I have no intention of pardoning, as long as HC does not intervene.

    Likewise for sedition, it would be unwise to pardon someone who is clearly against the leadership, that and HC would need to intervene.

    Confirmations

    Have you read the Code of Conduct?
    Yes

    Have you read the application process page?
    Yes

    Do you understand that any player - even donors or staff members - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our Server Rules or Roleplay Guidelines?
    Yes

    Do you understand you cannot advertise or promote this application on any platform, including Discord?
    Yes

    Do you also understand that you may not edit this application 1 hour after it has been posted?
    Yes

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    This guys notoriously robust, actually communicates as SL and knows how Command works. +1.

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    So from my own personal experience, I've seen you XO plenty of times. The name Faycal is definitely known to me.

    You seem capable as a Leader, but to me, you seem to have a bad case of tunnel vision. You often don't read all of chat, are not responding to messages as a result or are responding late, and you just generally don't seem to go and rp. Maybe this is just me catching you on bad days but I've never seen you actually seriously roleplay while in CiC because it seems you were just glued to the chair there, or were leading planetside - whichever it was, you definitely were LEADING, but not doing another part of what a good CO is meant to do, which is being an example for Roleplay - setting the bar, in a sense.

    You don't have to go crazy with it, but I don't like upvoting someone who I myself don't see playing a character in the game, and who therefore I wouldn't trust to uphold the RP standards as a CO either. You are a good Commander, and I'm probably gonna catch flak for doing this from people anyways because you are, but I'm giving my personal -1 here. I don't support applicants just because they know how to PB xenos and can come up with wacky tactics and talk on the radio. You should be able and willing to leave the ordinary routine and jobs and interact with people, playing a character while doing so. I have not observed you doing this - therefore, I can't support you at this time.
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    Faycal knows how to lead marines, puts effort into it and has respect of marines. +1 from me, hope to see you leading some bayonet charges. The WL needs more people with actual SL experience too, we really lack in that department since the culture shift to MP maining.

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    Hey, I'm curious! Can you post your in-game times here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnclearDoctorMain View Post
    Hey, I'm curious! Can you post your in-game times here?
    I got you. Note that I played since late 2019 \ early 2020. Hence the timer is nowhere near as accurate due to the time resets. https://i.imgur.com/78BWhuN.png.
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    Hey envarm, I wanted to address some parts of your application.

    Firstly, your story. After giving it a read, it's my impression that it doesn't do much to delve into your character's background, capacities, behavior or precise knowledge of USCM ranks and Officer interactions. It's, in essence, two huge paragraphs full of run-on sentences that praise your character for being an absolute superhuman killer who rose through the ranks from E-1 to O-3 (unheard-of and extremely unrealistic occurrence in the history of any armed forces, to my understanding), which doesn't convey a great ability in writing, narrating and conversational skills, as well as general knowledge about the universe and the greater scheme of things.

    Moving onto the rest of your application.

    You have effectively nil playtime as any MP role, barring 3h of MPC (which I suppose you played only to unlock SO). You don't have any recent CT or RO hours, zero Sq. Medic or CMO hours, no Sq. Engineer playtime. All of these are an obvious issue and even though you've been playing for a long while, it seems all you're interested in is plain leadership roles and Sq. Specialist. There's nothing wrong with that except for the fact that you're pretty much required to acquire extensive, if not master knowledge of every other department to be a competent and reliable CO. I understand that you know how to play the game and target effective fire support, but what use is it if you can't keep your marines alive if there's a lack of medics, can't assist the FOB or front fortification efforts, can't handle a full req line/put a FOB crate together, and can't handle policing labors when there's no MPs online (or police the MPs yourself)? All of these situations are very common and prevalent as of late.

    Quote Originally Posted by envarm View Post
    How familiar are you with Marine Law and Standard Operating Procedure?
    For Marine Law I now have between a basic to advanced understanding, and for SOP I have a above average understanding.
    I'm sure that it's obvious to everyone why a CO needs to have more than a "basic to advanced" or "above average" understanding of ML and SOP. The CO is the top judicial authority on board the Almayer, and you're expected to know both of these in and out, to avoid complications and situations such as overzealous MPs (which are very common nowadays) going out of their way to put you in for not being aware of ML clauses or proper knowledge of all of SOP. It's your ship, and you're the one overseeing the execution of these guidelines.

    Quote Originally Posted by envarm View Post
    When do you believe a Battlefield Execution should be used?
    Example 1: an individual attempting to incite mutiny against me which would put the operation at risk, that is if the MPs are unable to arrest them.

    Example 2: Delta SL is attempting to incite mutiny due to a failed maneuver they've been tasked with performing. They demand that the CO gives up their control of the ship; due to the marines being armed and the fact they performed sedition, their leader should be the target of a BE in this case to potentially destroy the entire mutiny before it starts.
    Aren't these two situations you just described the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by envarm View Post
    Example 3: CE breaks into the CO's room and attempts to steal Jones against the CO's order. The CE refuses to listen to the CO to cease harassing the CO's pet, and the CE decides to throw Jones far away in order to get some room, damaging Jones in the process. The CO walks to Jones, sees that its gasping its last breathes. Holds Jones close with his hands as it slowly dies. The CO has too much toxic masculinity to cry, so instead its a silent while. He looks at the CE, angry at the fact that he killed Jones. Pulls out the Mateba, first shot out. Bang, it wasn't a miss. Nay, it was a headshot. the CE falls to the ground before he was even able to respond. The CO comes near him while saying "For you, I'm the judge, and the executioner". Another shot, and it's done.
    This example is a poorly written fanfiction. Can you explain what exactly a battlefield execution stands for, what it's used for, and provide serious examples of situations where it'd be justified to apply it?

    Quote Originally Posted by envarm View Post
    Under what circumstances do you believe it is legal to pardon a prisoner?
    The operation requires a certain personnel to operate it to maximize the efficiency of the USS Almayer. If those individuals commit NoD, FTFP and or DSAO then it'd be wise to pardon them if it'd be unfeasible for someone else to do their job, as long as they don't commit the same mistake twice, and apologize for it.
    There's a lot that's wrong with this. It's been established that you shouldn't be pardoning people just because they're needed, and you have to put serious consideration into the matter. You say that you wouldn't pardon them as long as they don't commit the same mistake twice- how would you even be able to judge if they'd do it again, if they didn't outright tell you they would? And need I remind you that if the pardoned person commits a crime, MPs are to brig you as well for their crime, plus aiding and abetting?

    Quote Originally Posted by envarm View Post
    Two marines get rowdy and begin punching each other, one of them pulls out a gun and shoots the other dead. In this case, they've committed murder. Murder is a crime that I have no intention of pardoning, as long as HC does not intervene.

    Likewise for sedition, it would be unwise to pardon someone who is clearly against the leadership, that and HC would need to intervene. [/I][/INDENT]
    Yeah, we know you wouldn't pardon murder, because it's a capital offense, and capital offenses cannot be pardoned except if HC does it. Same goes for sedition. All of this is explained in ML's pardon section. I think you have a very basic, lackluster knowledge of it.

    In short, even though you certainly know how to play the game, and can certainly type up humongous fluff Lauffer-tier paragraphs to spam comms and announcements with, I don't think your application nor your recent playtime demonstrate that you have what it takes to play a CO.

    I don't think the only point to apply for a Commanding Officer whitelist should be getting to wag a bit stick around, spam announcement with huge-font endless rant texts that nobody reads, stroke your ego, order people arrested and make use of the cool restricted weapons and gear. There's much more to it, and the standards should be brought up considerably.

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    Greetings chiu, I appreciate the effort you've taken at writing your response. I'd like to address some of your interpretations.


    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    Firstly, your story. After giving it a read, it's my impression that it doesn't do much to delve into your character's background, capacities, behavior or precise knowledge of USCM ranks and Officer interactions. It's, in essence, two huge paragraphs full of run-on sentences that praise your character for being an absolute superhuman killer who rose through the ranks from E-1 to O-3 (unheard-of and extremely unrealistic occurrence in the history of any armed forces, to my understanding), which doesn't convey a great ability in writing, narrating and conversational skills, as well as general knowledge about the universe and the greater scheme of things.
    I'd like to emphasize that as far as I'm aware, we are required to present a background story covering the requirements for the prompt(s) of the story. The way we approach that, as far as I'm aware, as long as its feasibly possible does not disqualify it from being unlikely. So, my story regardless of the rarity or improbability of such a scenario, it is yet a possibility. We are given creative freedom on how to write, and that was my utilization of such lenience granted to us.

    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    You have effectively nil playtime as any MP role, barring 3h of MPC (which I suppose you played only to unlock SO). You don't have any recent CT or RO hours, zero Sq. Medic or CMO hours, no Sq. Engineer playtime. All of these are an obvious issue and even though you've been playing for a long while, it seems all you're interested in is plain leadership roles and Sq. Specialist. There's nothing wrong with that except for the fact that you're pretty much required to acquire extensive, if not master knowledge of every other department to be a competent and reliable CO. I understand that you know how to play the game and target effective fire support, but what use is it if you can't keep your marines alive if there's a lack of medics, can't assist the FOB or front fortification efforts, can't handle a full req line/put a FOB crate together, and can't handle policing labors when there's no MPs online (or police the MPs yourself)? All of these situations are very common and prevalent as of late.
    Yes, I've only played MPC to unlock SO after they were timelocked (even though, as I mentioned previously the playtimes I posted are not accurate as I used to play way before the playtimes were reset). I understand how medical works up to the point of reviving someone (including the chem system, patching up, and so on), I do not know how to perform surgery, though. But let's be honest, how often would a CO need to perform surgery?
    I've done countless engineering as SL; I've built a number of FOBs by myself by standing up to the challenge. I think it's important to realize that SLs can do almost anything a Sq Engineer can do. It's just that most of them don't. I've done things such as fix communications, build fobs, fix APCs, filter water, fix generators, and so on as SL. Furthermore, regarding the other departments, you aren't required to play as those roles; It merely helps because you get a more hands on-experience on what they need if you are the CO. The truth is, I do know what those departments need and how to deal with them as a XO \ CO, because I've dealt with them numerous times. For medical I don't need to know how to perform surgery, I've performed req work several times as an XO as well (usually at the start of the round after announcing a briefing to help req catch up), and I've dealt with enough MPs as both a marine and CIC staff to know what to expect from them and how to deal with them.





    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    Aren't these two situations you just described the same?
    They are the same scenario, that is true. I had planned to write 3 scenarios, but when I copied them over from my Notepad++ I made a minor mistake and wrote this rewrite of Scenario 2 as Scenario 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    I'm sure that it's obvious to everyone why a CO needs to have more than a "basic to advanced" or "above average" understanding of ML and SOP. The CO is the top judicial authority on board the Almayer, and you're expected to know both of these in and out, to avoid complications and situations such as overzealous MPs (which are very common nowadays) going out of their way to put you in for not being aware of ML clauses or proper knowledge of all of SOP. It's your ship, and you're the one overseeing the execution of these guidelines.
    The requirements are that you need a basic but well-founded knowledge of Marine Law and SOP. You don't need to have "advanced" or higher understanding of ML, likewise with SOP. You seem to be holding the WL to a far higher standard than even the requirements set by the CO Council. I hope you understand that the number of players who have an advanced or above understanding of ML is so small and concentrated on MP mains.

    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    This example is a poorly written fanfiction. Can you explain what exactly a battlefield execution stands for, what it's used for, and provide serious examples of situations where it'd be justified to apply it?
    This is a quote regarding my Example 3. In this context, it would fall under deliberately harassing the CO (by harassing their pet) which on top of that also deliberately hinders their ability to lead by distracting them, in the scenario the CE had already been warned to leave Jones alone, so a BE would be valid under this example.
    Moreover, examples 1 and 2 are proper examples of a battlefield execution which I believe are serious enough in your viewpoint. A battlefield execution is merely an act of execution that is performed in the field (also known as summary execution). The main reason to perform a BE is when pursuing a judicial process would either put the USCM Personnel in danger, hinder the ability of the leadership, insurrectionists, and or deliberate attempts to hinder the operation.
    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    There's a lot that's wrong with this. It's been established that you shouldn't be pardoning people just because they're needed, and you have to put serious consideration into the matter. You say that you wouldn't pardon them as long as they don't commit the same mistake twice- how would you even be able to judge if they'd do it again, if they didn't outright tell you they would? And need I remind you that if the pardoned person commits a crime, MPs are to brig you as well for their crime, plus aiding and abetting?
    I'm well aware of the potential to be brigged if I pardon someone and they re-commit the crime. For minor crimes, after a discussion with the person and seeing their viewpoint on why they commit the crime as I previously mentioned I'd be more inclined to pardon them if they seem genuine enough on not re-offending (e.g; wise probably not the right word originally). Once again, this is very much a case by case scenario. In this case, I'm stepping up to actually see if I can get their efforts back to work if they are genuinely unlikely to re-commit the crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by chiu View Post
    Yeah, we know you wouldn't pardon murder, because it's a capital offense, and capital offenses cannot be pardoned except if HC does it. Same goes for sedition. All of this is explained in ML's pardon section. I think you have a very basic, lackluster knowledge of it.
    So you just confirmed that what I wrote is right and then you phrase it in such a way like I wrote something wrong. Additionally, I was asked to fill this during the application. The fact that you write "yeah, we know..." is quite condescending and frankly feels like a low blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by envarm View Post
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    It's great to see your response- firstly, I apologize for the condescending tone in my last message. My intention was to make constructive feedback but I ended up taking a jab at the current standards set by the CO Council, their leniency and lack of proper screening of applicants (applications must be searched for reasons to approve, not reasons to deny), and how the whitelist is often either deserted or full of clowns (2-3 competent players) and let myself get ticked off.

    Back to your application. Keep in mind that my opinion is my own and the council, or other reviewers, may not agree with me.

    My main concerns: your MP playtime (related to obtaining a better grasp on ML/SOP, which being honest should be required), how easily you'd BE someone, and you being overly reliant on the inspirational speech gimmick. Don't get me wrong- I myself often read your texts and enjoy them at times, but occasionally when the op's completion is hanging on a thread you may want to tune that down and make concise callout and pointers for marines.

    Once again, apologies for my tone in my last response. I for one welcome combat-capable and down to the ground COs, but I do think it's necessary that you get very familiar with ML/SOP as you'll be expected to give final ruling on these, and this isn't an excruciating labor because they're not especially long.
    Just last month I've seen three whitelisted players committing crimes such as FTFP and NoD, giving wrong rulings and asking questions that exhibit a poor understanding if any.

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    Hey, I've come back with my response about your application! Please keep in mind that my feelings are different than others, and I mean only to point out things I like and dislike so you may improve from them!

    I've been busy lately but put in enough eye to see how you might be doing for everything, as well as adding to my past knowledge of your character, your abilities, your knowledge, etc.


    I'll begin with your story. I'll be blunt. I think your story is stagnant throughout and it's difficult to read. At the beginning of your story, you introduce your character with "Faycal Pom was a curious child from Africa." This is a great idea to begin, however, the transition to "He first started playing chess games around the age of 10" is out of place because you're jumping from your origin to the motivation without any story behind it, which you added after. It would have been better if you added some fluff after the first sentence by describing how your character's life was in Africa a little, your conditions, then introducing how your character develops. The way you did it felt from point to point rather than a smooth transition. Moving further into your character's timeline, your character "learnt martial arts and became a martial arts master, learnt how to shoot poisonous darts, gained his conceal carry license, and begun utilizing multiple interesting tools such as shurikens". Here, you made grammatical mistakes (commonly looked over). But what does this add to your story? Saying "entertainment purposes" after makes what you say feel excessive to the story; you need to develop your writing to have this information be important to your character developing rather than a side-hobby picked up along the way. "At the age of 23," is the indication of you skipping forward to a new part of your life, so you should indent here to create more comfort while reading. With this new idea, you also did not introduce where you're started at. Typically, "he decided to enroll in the USCM with a Bachelor’s of Science in Mathematics and Logic" would have you commissioned as an officer after going to college and the program to prepare you for the position. But your statement at "This quickly rose him to the rank of a squad leader," as well as your story behind it (which I did the idea to) suggests you started as a private, yet were given tasks by your officers that gained you recognition with your calculative and planning ability. That makes no sense and is non-realistic for a PVT. I would be able to understand if you were LT. I did like your continuation from there though, it has the proper spirit and made me smirk a bit from there. But sadly, it was very shortlived. "Later on, due to the immense contact with captains and higher ranks in his position as a SL, and countless medallions across hundreds of operations he once again rose through the ranks one rank at a time, eventually reaching SO, and then leading as XO for tens of operations. Most of which were against hostile contact ranging from CLF, UPP to xenomorphs. Finally, he was promoted to Major after defeating a xenomorph hive queen by punching her to death with his big hands when she tried to break to his defense lines, and the rest of the marines cheered recalling his title "The Mighty Bull"!" I stopped reading at this point, as this is completely unrealistic and comes off as a shitpost. Overall, I believe that your entire story has serious problems with poor writing skills. It doesn't show that you understand your position and the lore leading up to it, as well as doesn't show that you put in enough effort.

    About your application itself. Your answers feel like they were rushed and/or had no love put into them; it doesn't seem like you took it seriously enough. I appreciate what you feel the job of a Commander is and why you aspire to become a Commanding Officer. It connects to home that you have a general interest in leadership, even outside CM! I loved reading both of them! However, I have problems moving down more. your answer to your Marine Law and Standard Operating Procedure understanding is an issue: as Chiu pointed out, the Commanding Officer shouldn't have a subpar understanding of both while being above all other personnel onboard in terms of hierarchy for ML interpretation and authority, as well as being able to completely modify most SOPs to your discretion. You're admitting here that your understanding isn't good enough. Your answers for the other sections under experience are very broad, as well. Moving further down, as Chiu pointed out again, your first two examples for a battlefield execution are the same. Then, your third example goes into too much detail unnecessarily. You need to show a clear, concise understanding by providing a definition/explanation for what would make you believe a BE is necessary, having examples alone isn't enough. Then, your pardon answer has even more issues. Your first sentence, the answer, was too broad and doesn't convey that you understand when to properly pardon someone and the procedures following around it, and to make worse even worse, you follow it up by saying "Murder is a crime that I have no intention of pardoning," which implies that you don't know already that you can't pardon someone for capital crimes. Overall, your application doesn't display that you understand the role from your answers being poorly answered and broadly written.

    Lastly, about you. I agree that you're a wonderful commander. You have experience leading the marines on the ground as a Squad Leader and experience leading the marines at the helm in CIC. You're highly competent in combat and exceptional with your knowledge about the maps, strategic placement, and what times you should be aggressive and what times you shouldn't. You have great potential and I would love to have you as a CO for those reasons alone, seeming many people lack the abilities you have. Your only drawbacks are that you act stoic, which creates concerns for your roleplay ability. We also cannot confirm your competency in shipside departments, as you have put nearly no recent times in any of the departments besides commanding. I also think you should work on your communication abilities: if people believe that you are tunnel-visioned, like Misti, then it creates problems from ground to up.


    I'm going to have to -1 your application. I think you're a wonderful person that has the potential to become a very great Commanding Officer. However, I believe you did not take the required steps to have vouching with your lack of playing departments, IC interaction with other players, and not giving enough effort into your application, as well as your story. I do suggest that you look over both accepted and denied applications to look for potential ideas to improve your application; speak with other players, whitelisted COs, and counselors as well to figure out what you should do to increase your chances to have a solid application in the future with better techniques, outside opinions, things to avoid saying, and what you should do both IC and OOC for your behavior and involvement in the community. Good luck with the rest of your app!
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