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    I was the CMP that round, and from the moment I late joined the round Brett was antagonistic, and clearly arrest baiting.

    The first thing I hear after waking up from cryo and reporting in is, Brett's arrest being ordered over comms for Insub and false arrest. As I was heading there I hear over comms a riot has started in brig, and by the time I get to brig, I find about a dozen marines in the main room, and the CO in a stand off with Brett. As per the CO's orders I arrest brett, and then the CO then states he's pardoning the marines and leaves followed by the marines. Brett then starts ranting about jailbreak as Im processing him, and I ignore it since the CO had stated he was issuing a pardon. I get brett a pen and paper for his appeal to HC, since ofc it involved the CO ordering his arrest and would thus need to be processed by the provost office since it may result in the CO being arrested, and then to shut brett up, mention a jailbreak, but brett never gave names, or If he did I don't remember. At this point I spend the rest of the time he's in a cell setting up Brig, getting the shutters opened and getting used to the new layout.

    He spent most of the round from what I witnessed, or experienced, after this point attempting to target command staff and any hapless marines he could drum up charges for, and weaponized ML with no sense of tact or "spirit of the law", leading to Brig effectively being targeted for mass griefing due to his actions and the situation shipside devolving into an absolute disaster. It honestly got even worse after the CO died groundside as from that point on it was all downhill shipside, with Brett going about more or less unfettered, and brig becoming a target for griefing.

    This combined with falsifying information to HC (I was following orders not acting of my own valition) and at one point, arresting multiple MPs and at least one SO on top of being combative, and manipulating ML to allow himself to arrest a massive amount of marines for even minor SOP or ML breaches while himself ignoring many, including but not limited to:

    Flashbangs on green against unarmed or cuffed marines.
    Arrests without providing charges.
    Brigging prisoner's without headsets or shoes.
    Not setting timers, or doing arrest paperwork AFTER putting the prisoners in the cell
    and leaving brig empty at multiple points unduly.

    With all of this getting worse and worse as the griefing of brig ramped up in protest of the worse and worse MP behavior following my arrest by brett, culminating in me witnessing MUD getting A-slept and at least 4 separate escapes/attempts

    And this isn't even like it's the first time I've seen him do this either or have a similar situation unfold from his actions.

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    I'd like to provide additional context to replies.

    No one knew why you were on the DS pulling your taser out and then started tazing the delta SL and dragging him off the DS. You ignored the CO's orders on the DS which were "stop" and "What are you doing that for?"
    Delta SL was running from me on Normandy using Normandly walls to stay clear of taser. Since he was clearly running away from me, his charges were not stated before arrest but would be stated after he is secured and cuffed. No one can order MPs to not perform arrests and I would answer all Windhealer's question after SL was cuffed (That is, if there would not be a couple of marines rushing at me and then chasing me. Once more, I did not have time to explain situation even in brig, since marines broke in there).


    He spent most of the round from what I witnessed, or experienced, after this point attempting to target command staff and any hapless marines he could drum up charges for, and weaponized ML with no sense of tact or "spirit of the law", leading to Brig effectively being targeted for mass griefing due to his actions and the situation shipside devolving into an absolute disaster. It honestly got even worse after the CO died groundside as from that point on it was all downhill shipside, with Brett going about more or less unfettered, and brig becoming a target for griefing.

    This combined with falsifying information to HC (I was following orders not acting of my own valition) and at one point, arresting multiple MPs and at least one SO on top of being combative, and manipulating ML to allow himself to arrest a massive amount of marines for even minor SOP or ML breaches while himself ignoring many, including but not limited to:

    Flashbangs on green against unarmed or cuffed marines.
    Arrests without providing charges.
    Brigging prisoner's without headsets or shoes.
    Not setting timers, or doing arrest paperwork AFTER putting the prisoners in the cell
    and leaving brig empty at multiple points unduly.
    I'd like to say next things regarding this reply:
    1. It is not really relevant to situation this report is about
    2. I cannot force anyone to grief brig. Brig was being attacked by half of engineering department and at least one SO. They've done jailbreaks of each other, cutting brig power, deconstructing walls and windows. It is worth saying, that they were marked for an arrest bo other MPs, when CMP was still free and when
    3. Please, do mention names of those I did not provide charges for, or ranks at least, if it is really relevant. Otherwise, you are forcing whoever is doing logs to read full round logs.
    4. For some time I was unable to do brig paperwork since brig was out of power, however, I still tracked their time using my phone. Regarding elaving brig empty: we had warden who was suposed to handle brig matters and protect brig. Personally, I recall only two-three times I went to look for marked marines
    5. I do not believe, that I arrested nor asked for an arrest of any combat marine after being released.
    6. Information to IC was not falsfied, you told me that heads can demote anyone in their department (Which only CO can as per ML) and told me to deal with it. I do not see how that could be seen as "I acted on orders"
    7. As the last point, I would like to mention, that marines are always armed. Flashbangs were used in next cases: Marines broke in brig and threatened me, CL opened fire at me in CiC (Accidentally, according to him. Those two times are only times I remember using flashbangs).

    As I said above, please, do try to provide context and at least some timeframes so staff has easier time digging logs up

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    Since we had a discussion about this in the discord and I went through the trouble of clipping the footage I had of the incident in question.

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    This log pull is quite complicated to follow as such I will be including accusations and claims made in:

    Rals initial PR;

    Dreven’s response to said PR;

    C4’s claim that Rals was not following Dreven’s orders;



    This is not a PR against Rals or their conduct outside of their interactions with Dreven or Dreven's orders. I have spoken with both Rals and Dreven and have made it clear I will NOT be focusing on the following:

    Situations where Rals has or hasn’t broken ML outside of their interactions with Dreven or Dreven’s orders;

    Claims to Rals having baited arrests or prompted either death in ground troops due to delays, or prompted other players to grief;



    I want to make it clear from the get go what I will and won’t be pulling logs for. If anyone feels this is unfair I suggest either posting here, speaking to me in DMs, or making a separate PR report. Remember this is an PR report by Rals against Dreven’s conduct as CO, for the sake of this report and this report only we are not interested in what Rals or Dreven has done outside of the primary accusations made by Rals and Dreven (or in the case of C4 accusations that directly link to Dreven and Rals accusations).

    KEY:

    Dreven (Drevenshekel)

    Rals (Rals)

    (Note I chose cyan and yellow as I am colourblind)


    Logs

    Drevenshekel Orders decon of Alamayer pre-first drop (this rule was updated shortly after this PR was posted.

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    Rals faxes HC about the situation:

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    Delta is ordered onto normandy Rals assists with moving marines between the two:

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    Rals asks Delta SL to put armor, on they refuse then are tased Drevenshekel orders them to stop multiple times:

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    Rals continues with arrest, Drevenshekel continues to order them to stop, the situation grows and other marines become involved:

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    Rals either starts to escort people to the brig, or is chased into hallway port, the logs do not clearly show which, Drevenshekel continues to issue orders:

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    Drevenshekel orders Rals arrest for failing to comply with there orders, Rals to struggle with Robert Richardson:

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    Rals ends up past CIC and is engaged/engages a different marine:

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    NOTE: Elizabeth Hightower had earlier activated there speed boost order, presumably to chase Rals. Though there are no logs for opening doors by following the attack areas we can assume that Elizabeth Hightower opened the doors either around or through CIC, as these would have to be open for the other marines to get through, and she is the only officer sans Rals who is following or near Rals at the time.

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    After ordering the arrest Drevenshekel returns to focus on command, and modifies SoP allowing marines to deploy without armor.

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    Rals is hurt by something that I cannot identify, and is either chased or falls back to the front of Brig:

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    Drevenshekel calls for Rals arrest again, CMP replies in the affirmative:

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    During this time Kate Shark frees Imhotep Richbloods cuffs, I can see no direct order from Drevenshekel asking for this, though Imhotep attributes there freedom to Drevenshekel:

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    Rals arrests one of the interferers in brig:

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    Drevenshekel announces the SoP change only after having said it on comms, they also again order Rals arrest during this announcement:

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    Rals calls for backup, at this point they have used a flashbang to assist in arresting three or more people, who are in combat with them in brig:


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    Drevenshekel calls for Rals to arrest themselves although the crime Rals has commited is major insubordination this is never stated explicitly by Dreven:

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    During this time Drevenshekel is attempting to order the CMP and MP dept to arrest Rals:

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    Rals pepper sprays another MP it is unclear why and there are no chat logs linked to this particular event:


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    CMP arrests Rals in Brig, they seem unsure of what crime Rals has commited. CO has yet to specify on comms which crime Rals has comittted:

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    No one says out loud at any point what crimes Rals has commited specifically, even if they have committed Major Insub.

    Although I believe the FTFP charge came from an SG answering the CMP as follows:


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    And the CMP eventually arrests Rals for Insubordination and prevarication :

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    At this point Drevenshekel deploys and focuses on other tasks.


    Drevenshekel’s pardons: (for clarification in this section logs marked in RED were said locally, not on comms. Logs marked in GREEN were probably said locally.)

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    Summary:

    Drevenshekel did authorize decon before first drop.

    Rals did go to hangar, assist Drevenshekel by moving marines and then attempted an arrest on Imhotep Richblood which ended up in a fight in brig.

    Drevenshekel did order Rals arrest which the MP dept took a while to react to.

    Rals was arrested for Insubordination and Prevarication

    Drevenshekel did pardon multiple people, they also pardoned people without explicitly mentioning them by name.


    Rals told Drevenshekel on comms who was arrested for which crimes, Drevenshekel did not correct there pardons to reflect this. It is unclear if the message actually went through to either general or MP comms, it may be possible that Drevenshekel was unable to hear this message.

    Drevenshekel did pardon Rals for FTFP.

    Drevenshekel did modify SoP to allow marines to deploy without armour, but only after Rals had begun arresting the Delta SL for FTFP.

    There are a lot of logs surrounding the arrest of the CMP and other personnel carried out by Rals which I have neglected to include in this log pull as I do not feel they are relevant to the PR against Dreven for CO missconduct. If however the CO council or another member of staff feels as though I missed key information by excluding this, the logs can be pulled.
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    I wish to clarify a afew things from logs.

    1. In part "Rals either starts to escort people to the brig, or is chased into hallway port, the logs do not clearly show which, Drevenshekel continues to issue orders" I was being chased by group of marines and was not able to cuff Richardson due to it. Hence why I used baton so much on him.
    2. Elizabeth Hightower was indeed running after me with group of marines and was opening doors for them.
    3. In part "Rals is hurt by something that I cannot identify, and is either chased or falls back to the front of Brig" I accidentally hit myself with baton (I missed Richardson's sprite). I was on my way to JAS system in brig with Richardson in my hands. Some time later marines entered brig as well.
    4. In "Rals pepper sprays another MP it is unclear why and there are no chat logs linked to this particular event" I most likely tried to pepperspray some marine, who was breaking out of cuffs. I do not recall this incident precisely, though.
    5. Last thing I wish to mention is that in part "Drevenshekel’s pardons" I did not radio those names, since I did not have MP radio on me (I was in cell at the moment), but I asked CMP to relay those names.

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    Hi. I was the SO in question who was chasing you, and I won't really take any sides here on who was right or wrong, I was only following orders of the CO to stop you after that mess which happened a month ago I guess?

    Though this post is rather insignificant right now, there wasn't really a way to stop the Marines as both me and them were less than pleased at your choice of action. Even after you stunned me when you were given a direct order to stop, they still went out of their way to masterkey the CIC hallway doors in order to chase you, if there are any logs to back that up even. That's all I'll say really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rals View Post
    I wish to clarify a afew things from logs.

    1. In part "Rals either starts to escort people to the brig, or is chased into hallway port, the logs do not clearly show which, Drevenshekel continues to issue orders" I was being chased by group of marines and was not able to cuff Richardson due to it. Hence why I used baton so much on him.
    2. Elizabeth Hightower was indeed running after me with group of marines and was opening doors for them.
    3. In part "Rals is hurt by something that I cannot identify, and is either chased or falls back to the front of Brig" I accidentally hit myself with baton (I missed Richardson's sprite). I was on my way to JAS system in brig with Richardson in my hands. Some time later marines entered brig as well.
    4. In "Rals pepper sprays another MP it is unclear why and there are no chat logs linked to this particular event" I most likely tried to pepperspray some marine, who was breaking out of cuffs. I do not recall this incident precisely, though.
    5. Last thing I wish to mention is that in part "Drevenshekel’s pardons" I did not radio those names, since I did not have MP radio on me (I was in cell at the moment), but I asked CMP to relay those names.

    Edits made for clarity:

    - "Drevenshekel did pardon multiple people, they also pardoned people without announcing it." changed to "
    "Drevenshekel did pardon multiple people, they also pardoned people without explicitly mentioning them by name."

    - Sections clarified from Drevenshekel’s pardons where Dreven would feasibly be unable to hear Rals. Anything said that has a [1] next to it.

    - Rals told Drevenshekel on MP comms who was arrested for which crimes, Drevenshekel did not correct there pardons to reflect this.

    Edited for clarity.

    Rals admits to not sending the message on MP comms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExaltCommander View Post
    Hi. I was the SO in question who was chasing you, and I won't really take any sides here on who was right or wrong, I was only following orders of the CO to stop you after that mess which happened a month ago I guess?

    Though this post is rather insignificant right now, there wasn't really a way to stop the Marines as both me and them were less than pleased at your choice of action. Even after you stunned me when you were given a direct order to stop, they still went out of their way to masterkey the CIC hallway doors in order to chase you, if there are any logs to back that up even. That's all I'll say really.
    Checking for this now. I apologise as this was by far the largest log pull I have ever done. The logs themselves took up close to 11 pages in google docs.

    I can't find any particular logs that suggest they did masterkey the door. But I also believe logs for shooting doors are not made unless they either hit, or nearly miss someone while doing it. For certain there are no attack logs surrounding this which suggest anyone was firing a masterkey shotgun. This doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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    This along with the other pending CO report are way overdue; I'm sincerely sorry for that.

    Council has talked this over and has decided to issue a retroactive heavy warning for Dreven. They can DM a councilor for further information.

    Report resolved.
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