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    economicairborn - meta evacuating

    Player Report
    Your Byond ID?
    Kenju22

    Date of Incident
    April 22, 2022

    Your Character Name?
    Kenju 'Archer' Welson

    Accused Byond Key(if known):
    economicairborn

    Accused Character Name
    Kenneth Lance

    Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results)
    6:23 EST

    What rule(s) were broken:
    meta evacuating

    Description of the incident:
    When it was announced that an unscheduled dropship had launched and a hijack was likely I ran from my post (CT and last person remaining in Requisitions) to the Normandy as a pilot mentioned they would be launching to return to the planet. When i arrived there were eight people in the Dropship (as shown in first screenshot, sans the PO in the cockpit) one of whom was Kenneth, the XO, along with an MP escort.

    I remained at my post in Requisitions until the exact moment it was announced that an unscheduled dropship had launched. Yet somehow the XO, who was supposedly in the CIC managed to reach the Normandy and be buckled in before I reached it, then had them launch before the Alamo even crashed into the Almayer.

    The first screenshot was taken the moment I reached the Normandy, the rest were taken after the round ended to show a timeline of events through the chat menu, from the PMC's/event of the round ending, to the dropship hijack announcement, the scan of how many Xenos were coming up.

    I know there is a ladder from CIC to the hanger, but there is no way the XO could have reached the Normandy and have already been buckled in before I reached the ship had they been at their post. If they had arrived just a little sooner than myself I still would have gotten the 'Marine X buckles in' message, but did not. They were already there, and had been there as the second link shows where upon arriving at the Normandy they had the doors locked.

    Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
    What resolution are you seeking?
    Kenneth left the CIC before the hijack message was displayed by ARES, there is no other way they could have arrived at the Normandy with an MP who was wearing armor, had the lockdown innated, then canceled before I reached the Normandy from Requisitions otherwise.

    That's not only metagaming, it is abandoning their post and their command. On top of that was them having the Normandy leave before the Alamo even crashed.

    Them abandoning their post, their command, and the crew alone makes them unfit for the position, but to meta evac on top of all that goes beyond cowardice, it is deliberate to insure other players don't 'survive' a round when they could have waited for more to escape.

    I request that Kenneth receive a job ban from the position of XO.

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    I was the CO in this round and i must say i am not sure what this report is even supposed to be about.

    I was busy in my office talking with the Director but i am pretty sure the XO remained in CIC until hijack happened. The reason MPs were wearing armor is because we have a stand off with the PMCs for a long time...

    You can make it from the CIC to the Normandy in about 30 seconds, especially if you are not wearing armor. And last but not least i authorized evacuation, that goes for the XO as well. He didn't abandon his post against my will.


    It's not really my place to judge but i honestly fail to see a rulebreak here.

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    The moment the announcement of the hijack was made I, an unarmored CT ran from Requisitions to the Normandy.

    When I reached the Normandy, Kenneth, and a fully armored MP were already there, and both were seated. The screenshot is from a few seconds after I got inside as I had typed up the messages shown (about an XO going down with the ship)

    It is not possible for a fully armored MP to run from the CIC, down the west ladders, then run east into the hanger, get into the Normandy, and be seated before an unarmored CT running from Requisitions can get to the Normandy's doors. When I entered the Normandy all doors were already closed, I thought I was the first person to reach it because I didn't even hear the doors closing.

    I knew there were some marines in the hanger waiting for the Alamo to return before the hijack announcement was made, so them being there makes sense, but the fully armored MP who escorted Kenneth should not have been able to reach it and be seated first. The difference between someone wearing armor and someone not wearing armor is rather large in terms of running speed.

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    I can get from CIC, as an armored MP, to the Normandy faster than I can get from req to Normandy as a CT

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    What is this report actually accusing them of? The screenshots and logs show an normal series of events post hijacking message.

    The first screenshot shows an order of events which is fine as well.

    Please refine / specify what exactly you are accusing them of.

    'They were in CIC and ran too fast' is not realistic.

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    I am accusing them of having left the CIC before the hijack announcement was made, on the grounds of how they were in the Normandy

    Looking through the screenshots you can see they were in the Normandy before any evacuation order was given. Wulferion said in their post 'i am pretty sure the XO remained in CIC until hijack happened.' Pretty sure is not the same as certain, and at bare minimum the screenshots prove the XO had left their post before an evacuation order was given, which breaks rule 11 on grounds of Neglect of duty or behavior unbecoming of an officer.

    If the screenshots are not considered strong enough evidence for this, then the matter is moot and this should be considered closed.

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    Posted the above by accident, can't edit so fixing.

    I am accusing them of having left the CIC before the hijack announcement was made, on the grounds of how they and the MP were in the Normandy and seated when I arrived literally as quickly as humanly possible from the moment the announcement was made.

    Looking through the screenshots you can see they were in the Normandy before any evacuation order was given. Wulferion said in their post 'i am pretty sure the XO remained in CIC until hijack happened.' Pretty sure is not the same as certain, and at bare minimum the screenshots prove the XO had left their post before an evacuation order was given, which breaks rule 11 on grounds of Neglect of duty, Desertion, and behavior unbecoming of an officer.

    If the screenshots are not considered strong enough evidence for this, then the matter is moot and this should be considered closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenju View Post
    Pretty sure is not the same as certain, and at bare minimum the screenshots prove the XO had left their post before an evacuation order was given, which breaks rule 11 on grounds of Neglect of duty, Desertion, and behavior unbecoming of an officer.
    It is true that i can't be certain they were still in the CIC as i was in my office at the time and can only infer so from the comms i was seeing. That being said however it doesn't even really matter if they were there or not. What you don't realize Kenju is that XO is not bound to CIC at all times. Even if they left before the hijack happened it's not abandoning their post. It's standard practice for example for some officers from the CIC to move to medbay or hangar once marines evacuate the planet to help the wounded or organize unloading the dropship and such and to get an idea how many people made it out alive. Once marines evacuate there is no real reason for XO to stay in the CIC and they are free to leave if they choose to. Especially given the fact that a CO (me) was right next to it in my office. What's more, unless i am mistaken the screenshots you posted show the XO in his uniform as he was the whole round. This further leads me to believe his evacuation wasn't planned like you say it was.

    In any case i see no Neglect of Duty and certainly not Desertion, but even if i did those are IC issues not a rulebreak. Rule 11 in this case doesn't apply as the Executive Officer is not OOCly bound to follow marine law unless deputized by the CO to practice ML. Rule 11 specifically states it's for MPs, SEA and the Synthetics only.

    Ultimately this is just my opinion and the report will of course get a decision from staff, but personally i find it has no grounds to stand on. It seems to be more of a result of the player in question being disliked by large portion of the community. While this may certainly be an issue for discussion, personal feelings have no place in judging rules violations.

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    3 events, not in order, but by location

    Hijack + crash
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    Most of XO's POV in the meantime. XO did seem to abandon ship before Evac order, on the grounds of 'not my ship', and also as a reason, they seem to have went to get Mia, the synth, shortly after wards, but ive not induced those logs.
    Spoiler Spoiler:


    Most of CO's POV in the mean time.
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    Going to try to recover the fallen Synth seems like a perfectly reasonable reason for the XO to have left via the Normandy.
    There's nothing in the logs to suggest malice, or that there was any particular advantage to be gained.
    As such, closing this out as denied.

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