Staff Report: Sargash

Nanu308 · Post by **Nanu308** » 20 Dec 2018, 16:54

Your Byond Key: Nanu308

Your Character Name: Claymore Allister

Their Byond key: Sargash

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): Around 21:30

Which Staff Protocols (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... =57&t=5647) were broken:

1. Send a personal message (PM) to the violator asking them to explain their actions

2. Investigate the situation

6. PIN NOTES TO PLAYERS

Description of the incident:
The incident started with a fight happening in the South Canteen where I saw another Delta PFC being beaten up by around 3 Charlie Marines. I joined in to protect the fellow marine and ended up beaten bloody and into crit, and then someone threw a throwing knife into me.

I was cuffed by a Charlie marine, and they took my headset before dragging me to Briefing. There a Delta medic treated me, and I was asked some questions by the CMP Bert.

Once I got my radio headset back I talked about what happened, and also heard there had been thrown more Throwing knives from the Charlie Marines side.

A short time later we end up fighting the Charlie SL Uriel which gets beaten as well, and after that, a lot of chaos happens. During this chaos, more knives are thrown, as far as I am aware I only throw two. I hit one Delta PFC by accident and the Charlie SG.

It ends up with Delta being ordered to the Basket ball court to Chill. I head up there with a lot of other and we RP / Play bball. While I'm playing bball, I get PM'd by RobBrown4PM, and he asks me some questions, in the middle of answering, and all of that Sargash PM's me as well and in basic words tell me "You are getting a note."

I end up getting double noted by Rob and Sargash until I talk with Rob again where Rob decides to remove his own note.

Sargash had never before that talked with me or asked for my side of the Story.
The note also states I hit the RPG Spec with a knife which I am fairly certain I did not.
He also said in the note that i "Started" the entire thing which is false.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc.):
Note I got:
Started round-start shittery adn fighting, up to and including throwing knifing the RPGspec. Ban on further incidents. by Sargash (Moderator) on Wed, December 19th of 2018

Loggs, when pulled, will prove what I've said.

How you would punish the accused: Warned and Note Removed.

Slywater · Post by **Slywater** » 21 Dec 2018, 05:29

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RobBrown4PM · Post by **RobBrown4PM** » 21 Dec 2018, 14:02

Hi there,

Here's my bit. I was dealing with a specific incident within the larger brawl that was taking place, that being the fight with the Charlie SL involving a multitude of players. I can't speak for Sargash, but I do believe he dealt with his issue with you shortly before, or around the same time as I was speaking with you. I spoke with Sargash on Msay and he stated he had spoken to you about pre-round shenanigans, which was what I was there to speak to you about. Believing the two issues were about the same issue and involving more or less the behavior I opted to remove my note and allow his to be the primary on the incident.

Nanu308 · Post by **Nanu308** » 21 Dec 2018, 14:13

RobBrown4PM wrote: ↑
21 Dec 2018, 14:02
Hi there,

Here's my bit. I was dealing with a specific incident within the larger brawl that was taking place, that being the fight with the Charlie SL involving a multitude of players. I can't speak for Sargash, but I do believe he dealt with his issue with you shortly before, or around the same time as I was speaking with you. I spoke with Sargash on Msay and he stated he had spoken to you about pre-round shenanigans, which was what I was there to speak to you about. Believing the two issues were about the same issue and involving more or less the behavior I opted to remove my note and allow his to be the primary on the incident.

Thing is, He never contacted me. And did ya even read the loggs which clearly shows i was never contacted before i got PM'd "You are getting noted".

So that means Sargash lied to you in Msay.

RobBrown4PM · Post by **RobBrown4PM** » 21 Dec 2018, 14:31

Nanu308 wrote: ↑
21 Dec 2018, 14:13
Thing is, He never contacted me. And did ya even read the loggs which clearly shows i was never contacted before i got PM'd "You are getting noted".

So that means Sargash lied to you in Msay.

I was speaking to you about the issue to which I raised. I can't speak to Sargash's role in this, only mine.

awan · Post by **awan** » 21 Dec 2018, 16:01

Nanu308 wrote: ↑
21 Dec 2018, 14:13
Thing is, He never contacted me. And did ya even read the loggs which clearly shows i was never contacted before i got PM'd "You are getting noted".

So that means Sargash lied to you in Msay.

I am going to state beforehand there is a (very) rare issue with pms not being recieved in byond. And pms going to the wrong person. (Second mostly on logouts.)

If the logs have a pm from him to you or another player where it is obvious it should have went to you. Then that might have happened.

I state this beforehand to remove later discussion and to add something for mods to check.

Sargash · Post by **Sargash** » 21 Dec 2018, 18:36

No sole player instigated the fights. You had time to rebuttle me, and i was not aware rob had already been messaging you. I knew he was messaging a lot of people.
Secondly i chose you to message, and went with the choice of words, and statement based on having been watching you since the start. Thirdly, you did hit the RPG spec with a throwing knife, as the logs on him showed so, and he ahelped it.

In surmise. You did fan the embers of this round.
You continued to participate after you had been healed instead of letting it go pass.
I'd been observing you that round as a well known player after first incident. Instead of starting round start shittery, or 'preventing a gangbang.' Ahelp. It's griefing.

Nanu308 · Post by **Nanu308** » 21 Dec 2018, 18:56

Sargash wrote: ↑
21 Dec 2018, 18:36
No sole player instigated the fights. You had time to rebuttle me, and i was not aware rob had already been messaging you. I knew he was messaging a lot of people.
Secondly i chose you to message, and went with the choice of words, and statement based on having been watching you since the start. Thirdly, you did hit the RPG spec with a throwing knife, as the logs on him showed so, and he ahelped it.

In surmise. You did fan the embers of this round.
You continued to participate after you had been healed instead of letting it go pass.
I'd been observing you that round as a well known player after first incident. Instead of starting round start shittery, or 'preventing a gangbang.' Ahelp. It's griefing.

If you watched me from the start, and you state it is griefing? Why did you not take any action then?

Also, the loggs shows me hitting "Manley 'The-Man' Dawkins" and "Bex Jackson". Bex was a Delta PFC and Manley was a Charlie SG. So, Where are the loggs for me hitting the RPG spec`?
EDIT: Manley was the SG Confirmed by hitting me with the Smartgun*

Also, the reason I did not answer you on the "You are getting a Note" is because I originally thought you meant that for someone else and besides that, why did you jump into something another staff member was already handling?

Sargash · Post by **Sargash** » 23 Dec 2018, 12:21

I sent you a message because I got an ahelp, and with 20 other people getting a message, I chose to respond to the ahelp. I didnt stop it because you guys were just using fists, and were isolated. I didn't know if you four were having fun, or not, so I chose to let the first scenario just play out, and it played out fine.

Grimcad · Post by **Grimcad** » 24 Dec 2018, 13:35

Ok. So as I've just been promoted to Mod Manager, though it may not have updated on the forums yet. As this has been sitting for a couple of days already I'm going to be going ahead and resolving this.

Did Sargash ask for your side of the story? No he did not.
Did Sargash Investigate the issue? Yes. He saw you were in the brawl tossing punches and throwing knives at people.
Did he misidentify who the knives hit? Looks like it.
Does that matter? No.
Were you the first person to start throwing knives? No you were not.
Were you involved and contributing to round start shenanigans? Yes you were.
Would the outcome of the investigation have changed if he asked you why you were involved, or for your side of the story? As you were in fact involved, I do not believe so.
Some 40 seconds passed between Rob and Sargash PMing you. That's an acceptable mistake of them just not seeing that the other had messaged you. Which seems fairly negligible.
Once an error was realized, did the staff members work to correct it? Yes one of the notes was removed.

This seems like a very minor issue of protocol not being followed to the letter. Sargash will be spoken to accordingly.

At the end of the day you joined in with round start shenanigans Nanu308. Something that has not been acceptable for nearly a year. If you don't wish to be noted for doing that, don't fight folks and don't join in with others fights, especially at round start.
Warning and note will remain. But for the sake of clarity will be modified to "Participated in round-start shittery and fighting, up to and including throwing knives at other participants. Though he did not throw the first knife."

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