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Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by SagaSword » 23 Jul 2017, 16:56

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Marine Name (so we know who you are, if you play alien mostly, state that here): Saga 'Chopper' Madrik

Name of the character you want whitelisted (The name your predator will use. This must match your in-game predator name): Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Are you familiar with the Predator Code Of Honor?
I am and I memorize it perfectly.

Character background (A very BRIEF description of your predators background):
I've separated the story into 3 small chapters for easy reading. I recommend you read it whilst you're free and your mind is really into it, I hope it's to your liking.

Chapter 1: The Truth
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Chapter 2: The Rebirth

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>Sample scanned successfully
>Initiating DNA copying
>DNA copy was successful
>Initiating Clone Process
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>98...
>99...
>100...
>Cloning Process was successful
>Subject's name:Aaron
>Status: Alive
>Ejecting Specimen...
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Chapter 3: The New Beginning
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How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)?
For my hunting style I intend to hunt groups of 2 or more but there might be some special cases that I hunt only one individual or so especially the first few days that I get whitelisted. This way I could bring as much fun and interaction with the predator as possible because I see that predators don't show up so often and when they do it's concentrated on interacting with one marine or a very small party. More so, before I hunt the group I will send them a calling card whether it's a piece of paper, drawings on the floor or walls or just warning them directly. Then I'd give them some time to prepare before I go after them.

For the apparel I will stick to light armor and concentrate my hunting technique on speed,hard hitting and straight forward fighting. I will also use my plasma caster in case the group that i'm hunting have heavy artillery (Like a SADAR or Grenade Launcher).

Why should we whitelist you?
I don't really have anything fancy to say but I know that the whitelist was made for people to have fun whilst sharing the fun with the non-whitelisted people and not made for someone to abuse their powers. Normally with great power comes great responsibility and it will be my first and foremost goal if I get whitelisted to make people have fun before I do. I always love cracking a smile on anyone's face I meet and it's a great cause for someone to follow.

Have you been banned from CM in the last month for any reason (we will check, and lies may result in immediate denial)?
Absolutely not.

Are you currently banned from any other servers and if so, why?
Paradise station because I set someone on fire with napalm when I was young. This happened about 3 or 4 years ago.

Do you understand that any player - donor or otherwise - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our rules or disobey the Predator Code of Honor?
Yes.

P.S:I want to thank Boltersam for helping me with the story by being my advisor and giving me his honest opinion about the story. He didn't write the story or anything but just gave me hints on what I did wrong and what I should change. Although he didn't really read the final product that is this Application so he will be giving his first expression to the story this time.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Dolth » 23 Jul 2017, 17:28

EDIT: +1

I really enjoyed your story but I can't vouch the way you intend on playing the predator. Bad experience in plasma casters ruining rounds more than creating fun and RP and lore. And pretty sure you'll use suicide kaboom, so... I don't know, I'll change my neutral to something else regarding people's judgement but I can't vouch for your thing right now, in despite of the story and your usual RP/gameplay quality, sorry pal.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Rain7x » 23 Jul 2017, 17:36

Dolth wrote:Neutral for now

I really enjoyed your story but I can't vouch the way you intend on playing the predator. Bad experience in plasma casters ruining rounds more than creating fun and RP and lore. And pretty sure you'll use suicide kaboom, so... I don't know, I'll change my neutral to something else regarding people's judgement but I can't vouch for your thing right now, in despite of the story and your usual RP/gameplay quality, sorry pal.
There isn't anything wrong with predators using plasmacasters or using the self destruct on their bracers. I don't really think this is valid criticism to be honest.

As for my thoughts, aside from the giant text that I think could be avoided. I liked the story. The way you intend to play is certainly unique, but I'm not sure if it would work everytime, as it seems very RP reliant and most people will just shoot you on sight. It would be interesting if it worked though.

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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by SagaSword » 23 Jul 2017, 18:36

Dolth wrote:Neutral for now

I really enjoyed your story but I can't vouch the way you intend on playing the predator. Bad experience in plasma casters ruining rounds more than creating fun and RP and lore. And pretty sure you'll use suicide kaboom, so... I don't know, I'll change my neutral to something else regarding people's judgement but I can't vouch for your thing right now, in despite of the story and your usual RP/gameplay quality, sorry pal.
I can totally agree with you that Plasma Casters might ruin the round fun but Rainx7 answered the question very reliably. A shot or two from the Plasma Caster to stun an Imminent danger that would insta kill me isn't a problem. As for the "Kaboom" part, every predator especially the new ones will always have their hands on the self detonation button because they will die alot. And leaving their high tech at the hands of humans a big disgrace to their kind. There will be SOME cases that i won't detonate myself if it will cause massive lag or ruin a winning assault.
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As for my thoughts, aside from the giant text that I think could be avoided. I liked the story. The way you intend to play is certainly unique, but I'm not sure if it would work everytime, as it seems very RP reliant and most people will just shoot you on sight. It would be interesting if it worked though.

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Thank you very much for your feedback. I will mostly try to RP as much as possible and avoid "Baldies" whenever I could. Everyone has a potential in RPing so we need to give them their chance because we are all here to have fun.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Boltersam » 24 Jul 2017, 04:50

I'll get to this on Friday.

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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Dolth » 24 Jul 2017, 05:08

You said you would use plasma on groups you hunt. Not as defensively.

And yeah Rain there is nothing wrong regarding the rules.
But predators just ruins people rounds by being extremy aggressive and just skirmishing instead of hunting. Then exploding 30 marines after drawing attention. Preds to me should be, as implied, a role that enhances RP by its nature, not a murderboning character.

So yeah nah. You seems to be a good dude but saying openly "I will hunt with caster" IS a valid critism and the only reason I will neutral :/.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by SagaSword » 24 Jul 2017, 05:31

Dolth wrote:You said you would use plasma on groups you hunt. Not as defensively.

And yeah Rain there is nothing wrong regarding the rules.
But predators just ruins people rounds by being extremy aggressive and just skirmishing instead of hunting. Then exploding 30 marines after drawing attention. Preds to me should be, as implied, a role that enhances RP by its nature, not a murderboning character.

So yeah nah. You seems to be a good dude but saying openly "I will hunt with caster" IS a valid critism and the only reason I will neutral :/.
Again, I said I will use the Plasma Caster ONLY if the group I'm hunting HAVE a heavy artillery. Other than that I won't use it. I am a marine and I know the pain of getting shot in the face with a Plasma bolt. But I also know the pain of Xenomorphs when they get shot by a SADAR, they don't quite match. Using a plasma bolt on the lowest settings to stun is valid for fun, I don't want a baldie ruining my fun and other's fun by insta killing me with it.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Swagile » 24 Jul 2017, 11:18

Dolth has a point but also doesn't have a point.

He has a point that using plasma caster a lot is a bad idea as it usually ruins any semblance of a good hunt and just ends in a salt fest in dchat.

The problem is, he's wrong that its bad to use it to skirmish. Marines pack AP all the time and will use it religiously, even when there is no armored target to shoot at. Predators have to constantly risk roleplay because there is always going to be that "one guy" who will pop out of nowhere and burst fire AP them in the chest, popping their lungs and forcing a pred to self destruct. So using a plasma caster to put down such threats in a group before they even fire is a good tactic to preserve roleplay instead of just having to blow up another squad.

Using a plasma caster on groupings of xenos that are chasing you is also advised unless you just wanna blow up every single time you see a hoard of xenos coming at you, since they can see you despite invisibility and will tackle spam and infect / kill you as fast as possible.

Ill look into this myself fully in a bit.

EDIT: Okay so from just a glance of the story there are many errors, some run on sentences, and not much detail put into the actual chapters of your story. Ill stay at neutral because the premise is interesting, but the detail and pace of the stories with the lack of details turns me off from it.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by SagaSword » 24 Jul 2017, 13:46

Swagile wrote:Dolth has a point but also doesn't have a point.

He has a point that using plasma caster a lot is a bad idea as it usually ruins any semblance of a good hunt and just ends in a salt fest in dchat.

The problem is, he's wrong that its bad to use it to skirmish. Marines pack AP all the time and will use it religiously, even when there is no armored target to shoot at. Predators have to constantly risk roleplay because there is always going to be that "one guy" who will pop out of nowhere and burst fire AP them in the chest, popping their lungs and forcing a pred to self destruct. So using a plasma caster to put down such threats in a group before they even fire is a good tactic to preserve roleplay instead of just having to blow up another squad.

Using a plasma caster on groupings of xenos that are chasing you is also advised unless you just wanna blow up every single time you see a hoard of xenos coming at you, since they can see you despite invisibility and will tackle spam and infect / kill you as fast as possible.

Ill look into this myself fully in a bit.

EDIT: Okay so from just a glance of the story there are many errors, some run on sentences, and not much detail put into the actual chapters of your story. Ill stay at neutral because the premise is interesting, but the detail and pace of the stories with the lack of details turns me off from it.
Thank you for your feedback, it was very helpful. When I wrote the story I didn't know whether to include more detail or cut it short because I didn't want it TOO big for someone to read, so I just highlighted the main points. I could do some side stories if you need more details. For the error parts I try my best to write proper English, since it isn't my first language. Yes I do study it at school but they don't teach us writing story sentences and I tried to look the internet for writing tips.

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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Boltersam » 29 Jul 2017, 05:06

Backstory
OH MY FUCKING GOD, THE GRAMMAR. IT BURNS INTO MY EYES AS THAT POISONOUS EXCUSE SLITHERS ITS WAY INTO MY EAAAAAARS
"English isn't my first languaaaaage"
Wellletmetellyouwhatsonnyboyenglishisn'tMYfirstlanguageandIspokebetterthanmostofyoufuckswhenIwasNINE

The grammar makes the story nearly unreadable. It's means IT IS, its is the POSSESSIVE. "

For example "It charged with it's crown like headcrest"

What it means "It charged with it is crown like head crest"

What you meant "It charged with its crown-like headcrest."

This is EVERYWHERE, so are the missing words, like that "I've finally kill you, you sly"
Sly WHAT?

Also things like...Dodging bullets. Yes, predators do it ingame, but in the lore, they're ambush predators, relying on their cloak. They're fast, yes, but fast enough to matrix dodge multiple bullets? No.

Also using random speech marks (") where you clearly were not talking.
And those were just the problems I got out of this mess.

tl;dr, the story is a hot mess that really should've been shown to someone with knowledge of English grammar to fix it. I'm not going to say anything about the cloning being lorebreaky, because it's not, Wey-Yu do have cloning tech, but it's secret, and using a predator created in this manner was approved by higher ups. I WILL yell quite a bit about the Predator with only a mask and wristblades somehow being able to overpower multiple groups of armed guards like Rambo and not getting shot to pieces, especially with zero former training. (Wey-Yu didn't implant him with a shock/tranquiliser chip? Even a tracking chip? That's just poor evil scientistry there.)

Playstyle
The playstyle is meh. It's unimaginative and doesn't bring anything new to the table. That's not always a bad thing, as what's old tends to work better than new, experimental playstyles. I do like the quirk of having a calling card, though.

You'll generally hunt groups of two or three but will hunt lone people if they're either strong/proven themselves to you, or during your first few days of whitelist when you're still getting used to it, and use the plasmacaster in emergencies when there's a group with heavy weapons. Correct?

Now, you've implied that you intend to hunt large groups or squads, which you should really steer away from. It's easier to hunt small numbers of people, and causes less of the big battles with lots of death to one side which we try to avoid.

tl;dr, standard hunting, leaves calling cards as warnings, and uses plasma in emergencies.

Bit bland, but it works. I really don't get why people were criticising the plasma part, because he stated he only intends to use it when there are weapons of similar power being used against him.

Saga's active on the forums and ingame, and I know that he makes an effort to RP when possible.

That all being said, Saga, you failed on the most important part of the app. The backstory. And that's a severe black mark against this app when your entire story is rendered almost unreadable by a tide of grammar mistakes.

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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by SagaSword » 29 Jul 2017, 15:27

Boltersam wrote: English muddafukka do u speak it?
OBJECTION!

How dare you, bolter?!

Well, I'm happy that I didn't break a major grammar rule. Plus, either our teacher is complete ass because he told us that the Apostrophe S when put with It turns into "It's" just like "It is" turned into "It's" or you're just so fucking bad at English.

Saying that (-) Is a missing word really hurts me deeply ;-;. Now for the sly part, The Clan Elder thought of my Pred as a sly because he thinks that Dteinou tricked the Council of Ancients to choose him to become an Adjudicator and leave the Elder behind.

As you can see, the 2nd chapter is all my pred talking in his mask recorder for his death will. When I put speech marks (") in the talking means that he said something within saying something. (Like When someone is telling a story: " "I didn't kill him!" said the killer")

Yea, groups of guards...Didn't give that enough thinking but the training part I can explain. When Dteinou was cloned the instincts of years of hunting were cloned with him. Amnesia researchs shows that the more the sick person play a game like a maze, he gets better at it everytime. But when you ask him if he ever played this game before he would say no.

All and all, I thank you because I learned something new today. I learned that my English teacher should kill himself
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Boltersam » 29 Jul 2017, 15:42

SagaSword wrote: Well, I'm happy that I didn't break a major grammar rule. Plus, either our teacher is complete ass because he told us that the Apostrophe S when put with It turns into "It's" just like "It is" turned into "It's" or you're just so fucking bad at English.
Your teacher's an idiot and you should find a better source.

SagaSword wrote:Saying that (-) Is a missing word really hurts me deeply ;-;. Now for the sly part, The Clan Elder thought of my Pred as a sly because he thinks that Dteinou tricked the Council of Ancients to choose him to become an Adjudicator and leave the Elder behind.
Oh but it is. Otherwise you randomly interrupted the continuity of that sentence for no good reason. I don't care that he thinks your pred is sly, I don't want him to say "You sly-" then be at a loss for words and move on. I'd accept "You sly dog" or something instead.

SagaSword wrote:As you can see, the 2nd chapter is all my pred talking in his mask recorder for his death will. When I put speech marks (") in the talking means that he said something within saying something. (Like When someone is telling a story: " "I didn't kill him!" said the killer")
Fair enough, but it needs to be made clearer instead of it randomly showing up without context. (Side note: If your predator dies and the will is discovered, his body is getting incinerated so hard it's being removed from existence because it's just about on the same level as a Predalien)

SagaSword wrote:Yea, groups of guards...Didn't give that enough thinking but the training part I can explain. When Dteinou was cloned the instincts of years of hunting were cloned with him. Amnesia researchs shows that the more the sick person play a game like a maze, he gets better at it everytime. But when you ask him if he ever played this game before he would say no.
I was speaking about a fully trained predator when I said that. He had no cloak, only his mask, and wristblades. Defeating groups of armed guards, especially those probably trained to contain him, would have been impossible. (He can't cloak, because he's not wearing mesh.)

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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Nubs » 30 Jul 2017, 13:27

Grammar problems aside, the app itself is fairly solid, looks like some effort was put into it at least. The plasma caster should only be used for say, blowing up mines, obstacles, or to break up large groups. Using it on solo targets is ill-advised. Neutral for now.
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Post by Feweh » 30 Jul 2017, 13:51

I've literally seen you insta sadar predators on first contact with no RP.

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Post by Dolth » 30 Jul 2017, 14:15

Nubs wrote:Grammar problems aside, the app itself is fairly solid, looks like some effort was put into it at least. The plasma caster should only be used for say, blowing up mines, obstacles, or to break up large groups. Using it on solo targets is ill-advised. Neutral for now.
Plasma caster should be only used to stun/evade in my opinion, it is NOT honourful to stun someone THEN finish him while he's KO. And in case you're being attacked by a group of marine, then that's okay. But my point with the caster was, if you plan on assaulting WITH the caster, regardless, it's disappreciated.
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Post by SagaSword » 30 Jul 2017, 15:11

Feweh wrote:I've literally seen you insta sadar predators on first contact with no RP.
I'm sorry my memory is quite dull. Care to tell me when? I haven't played SADAR so much on CM and when I do I never get the chance to fight a predator. So I find this criticism a mere myth.

That aside I've also RPed with so many predators before: Vormekta (Gentleman-headcrab), Syra'yte (coroneljones), Dhi'rauta (Boltersam) and recently an Elder dev I believe his name was Ghan'tha-cte and I even fought him 1v1 along with xenomorphs with my flamethrower (I was SL) and stabbed him with his own combi-stick he threw at me.
Nubs wrote:Grammar problems aside, the app itself is fairly solid, looks like some effort was put into it at least. The plasma caster should only be used for say, blowing up mines, obstacles, or to break up large groups. Using it on solo targets is ill-advised. Neutral for now.
Thank you for the feedback. If i'm fighting a sadar player solo I won't be using my plasma caster unless me makes a dick move and try to shoot me with his sadar. I will also give him a solid 10 seconds or so after he wakes up from the blast to continue the fight (after I discard the sadar from him of course). If he wins I will give him a reward and his sadar back if not he'll be my new trophy.
Dolth wrote: Plasma caster should be only used to stun/evade in my opinion, it is NOT honourful to stun someone THEN finish him while he's KO. And in case you're being attacked by a group of marine, then that's okay. But my point with the caster was, if you plan on assaulting WITH the caster, regardless, it's disappreciated.
As I said above, I will not finish the marine off while he's KO but merely use it to give me sometime to fight the other marines in the group that i'm hunting and discard the sadar from him. I will give him some time to rearm himself and get ready for the battle.

Again, again and once more again dolth, I won't use it to HUNT I will use it to STUN marines with the power to One shot me in an instant THEN even the odds by discarding the sadar AND continue the battle (without my plasma caster). If that doesn't answer your question then I don't know what will. =/
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Post by Dolth » 31 Jul 2017, 10:41

Well, in that case I will +1 that.
I really hope I won't regret this but heh... Beside a bad feeling I have nothing to oppose with, for now.
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Post by SagaSword » 31 Jul 2017, 14:27

Dolth wrote:Well, in that case I will +1 that.
I really hope I won't regret this but heh... Beside a bad feeling I have nothing to oppose with, for now.
Aww, thank you very much. I will live up to your hopes. I was honest when I wrote that I will play with plasma caster in the playstyle, most people don't write that and use the caster anyway. I first regretted doing this but in the end Honesty is good :) I just said how I'd use my caster against ohko enemies like any pred would do.
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Post by SagaSword » 06 Aug 2017, 12:09

Further feedback required. pls don't be hateful :3
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Feweh wrote:I've literally seen you insta sadar predators on first contact with no RP.
Well, I'm pretty interested in this..but I guess we won't know for sure without logs that'll probably be impossible to get.

Also, it looks like you have a history of being immature and griefing at least on our server. Your bans have stopped almost a year ago..care to explain all that?
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Post by SagaSword » 07 Aug 2017, 15:40

doodeeda wrote:Well, I'm pretty interested in this..but I guess we won't know for sure without logs that'll probably be impossible to get.

Also, it looks like you have a history of being immature and griefing at least on our server. Your bans have stopped almost a year ago..care to explain all that?
One word, Immaturity. I was immature as a kid and I admit that, I can take and have responsibilities. I did apologize a lot about my past griefings and my attitude has changed 180 degrees. If you think I can't take responsibilities I will take the criticism with an open and try to become the best I could, we aren't perfect.

EDIT: I also forgot to mention boredom, I used to do stupid stuff to feed my hunger of boredom but now I tend to do other stuff better than griefing like child and stepped back when I knew I'd do something that won't make the others happy. Yes, I did use to have all the fun for myself but it didn't as well. Then when I tried sharing the fun it turned out to be better than I was before. I hope this clears some air.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by NescauComToddy » 07 Aug 2017, 18:27

The background is important to an application, but it is not decisive for a result unless it is a complete disaster. What really matters in any application is the personality of the applicant. In other words, what worries me is your immaturity.

About your grammatical errors, I honestly do not care much about them. Even so, you will have to try to improve your sentences if you want to have a chance to join the hunt. At the moment, I see that they can be confusing to other people.

The way you intend to play could certainly be better. You can easily be dishonored if you prefer to use plasma-caster in most of the battles that you would have.

I almost never see you, but I'm sure it's because of the time zone. Bolter said that you are active both on the forum and on the server, so I will consider what he said.

Want a tip? Stop asking for feedback at all times (including by PMs). This is starting to annoy everyone who gave or will +1 or -1 your application. If you can not have the least patience, maybe that means you're still immature to be approved.

About my opinion, I believe you are not yet ready to be whitelisted. I am sure you have dedicated yourself to make your application, but the childishness you have shown in the past is uncomfortable. I would personally recommend that you actually show that you have improved as a person on the server by helping the staff and continuing to play in a "clean" way. If your application is not approved, take some time to improve your grammar, and as I said before, demonstrate that you have improved and are no longer a shitter. I am sure you are not the same as before but show that you are a member of the community that is seeking to help the overall development of the server.

Peace.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by SagaSword » 07 Aug 2017, 19:03

NescauComToddy wrote:-snip-
Alright, thanks for the feedback it really helped and caught my eyes on very important subjects. I will seek to show and be of help to the community as much as I could at least to pay for my past sins. I do feel sorry about asking for further feedback on my predator but because the last one got 1 and only 1 feedback from Bolter I was worried that something was wrong.

Apart from that, I won't disappoint you. I will try my best to become a good influence to the game and to it's community in general.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by doodeeda » 07 Aug 2017, 23:18

My application took 2 months to get accepted. Nescau is right; patience is needed.
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Re: Dteinou-Lar'ja (The Dark Messenger)

Post by Dolth » 08 Aug 2017, 02:53

On another hand it's a good thing, in a way, that your thread is still open and alive after few days, hehe.
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