Xeno Mutator discussion

[kastion]

Drone build:
Speed, pheremones, health, armor (with queen mutators: Speed and optionally pheremones)

Once elder you can just run up to fully manned barricades with frenzy on, slap a marine with a facehugger and walk away without any trouble. You move at runner speed with double pheremone frenzy + double speed mutator.

If you mean run up with gas and other xenos charging with you then ya. If you mean fully manned barricades and you run up solo with no help and no gas you are going to die. Either way getting facehugged at a barricade does nothing except stun you then 10 minutes later force you to get a surgery. Combat hugging only matters when you can be dragged off or beat to death after being combat hugged, at a fob it doesn't do anything except stun for 1 minute. And this is all assuming the fob marines are completely retarded and don't just back up 1 single tile.

[Dolth]

While marines struggle to kill stuff. 6 heavy bullets in a young carrier. Still no crit.

[kastion]

While marines struggle to kill stuff. 6 heavy bullets in a young carrier. Still no crit.

6 whole bullets in a t3? better nerf

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

6 whole bullets in a t3? better nerf

Oi smartarse, listen the fuck up.I was in a round just a few days ago where three smartgunners(i was one of them and ive reported this elsewhere) were engaging T1's and T2"s on prison map, far west all together with sustained fire and didnt even kill a fucking Tier 1, so re-assess what your saying here.

Otherwise, continue playing fucking arrogantly, your choice.

[Build_R_]

A carrier isn't just a big drone. I think it should be able to take at least 6 bullets without critting, otherwise that would make it very difficult to get anything done as a carrier. You could be placing traps near the frontline, get shot at offscreen by some scout's burst and bam, you'd be in crit without even being near the fighting.

[Dolth]

6 whole bullets in a t3? better nerf

6 heavy bullets in a YOUNG NOT FRONTLINER T3.
Yes, nerf. It was with the UPP rifle which is from far stronger than pulse rifle.

Should be equal to 9 pulse shots I think.

[kastion]

Oi smartarse, listen the fuck up.I was in a round just a few days ago where three smartgunners(i was one of them and ive reported this elsewhere) were engaging T1's and T2"s on prison map, far west all together with sustained fire and didnt even kill a fucking Tier 1, so re-assess what your saying here.

Otherwise, continue playing fucking arrogantly, your choice.

This one time I was a ravager and was engaging a whole squad of marines and they didnt die. So its only fair that all marines get nerfed because of this vague situation that we have no idea what happened or how long it took or anything that i just made up never really happened, so ya nerf everything.

[kastion]

6 heavy bullets in a YOUNG NOT FRONTLINER T3.
Yes, nerf. It was with the UPP rifle which is from far stronger than pulse rifle.

Should be equal to 9 pulse shots I think.

How late in the round was it? could have had really strong queen pheromones and mutators from queen.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

This one time I was a ravager and was engaging a whole squad of marines and they didnt die. So its only fair that all marines get nerfed because of this vague situation that we have no idea what happened or how long it took or anything that i just made up never really happened, so ya nerf everything.

Yeah, thats not a retarded response at all.If you want to tango with with me, your going to have to step it up a few fucking hundred notches you fairy.

[kastion]

Yeah, thats not a retarded response at all.If you want to tango with with me, your going to have to step it up a few fucking hundred notches you fairy.

Nah I dont tango with other dudes ya "fairy"

[KingKire]

Yo, keep it civil, were Colonial marinese space man simulator arguing over numbers and paper lines, not actual lives. If its heated, shits heated, but at the end of the day just words on a paper.

[Dolth]

How late in the round was it? could have had really strong queen pheromones and mutators from queen.

Elder Empress, they were onboard. Probably had armor and HP mutators + someone with warding around.
But still, carriers are not designed to be tanky even if they are T3 and 6 heavy rounds is like a lot.

But we already had that discussion my dude lol ain't gonna argue on another thread again, though I'd fancy a PM debate on the current state of CM balance if you're in .

[kastion]

Elder Empress, they were onboard. Probably had armor and HP mutators + someone with warding around.
But still, carriers are not designed to be tanky even if they are T3 and 6 heavy rounds is like a lot.

But we already had that discussion my dude lol ain't gonna argue on another thread again, though I'd fancy a PM debate on the current state of CM balance if you're in .

oh im not arguing, just saying warding is fucking badass especially empress warding.

[Pulse Demon]

Whats the current modifier on faster maturation? it barely does anything, it needs a little buff

[kastion]

Whats the current modifier on faster maturation? it barely does anything, it needs a little buff

idk its pretty crazy on runner though

[Build_R_]

I still don't get how the maturation upgrade works, whenever it's used my maturation timer is still the exact same as my evolution timer and they both have the same limits too.

[kastion]

I still don't get how the maturation upgrade works, whenever it's used my maturation timer is still the exact same as my evolution timer and they both have the same limits too.

it lowers both by 10% like for a young t1 to evolve is 200 and to upgrade is 200, now both are 180

[lurkermain]

It saves like 20+50+160 ticks in a 2 hour game, so maybe it gives you 5 minutes edge.. pretty worthless TBH

[FGRSentinel]

The thing a lot of people don't realize is that it shaves time off every maturation level throughout the round from what I gather. This might not seem like much but this is a 10% reduction in maturation/evolution timers for every xeno from the moment the queen buys the mutator to the moment she dies or the round ends. Faster Maturation means less time between mutator picks, which means you gain power quicker on top of the stat boosts for maturing.

Not only that, but faster maturation allows the hive to offset a bald/slow/lazy queen taking a long time to ovi up, which reduces the urgency surrounding finding a spot to ovi.

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

The thing a lot of people don't realize is that it shaves time off every maturation level throughout the round from what I gather. This might not seem like much but this is a 10% reduction in maturation/evolution timers for every xeno from the moment the queen buys the mutator to the moment she dies or the round ends. Faster Maturation means less time between mutator picks, which means you gain power quicker on top of the stat boosts for maturing.

Not only that, but faster maturation allows the hive to offset a bald/slow/lazy queen taking a long time to ovi up, which reduces the urgency surrounding finding a spot to ovi.

Yes, it shaves off every maturation level throughout the round, and no it's still not enough. From Larva to Ancient T1, you'll only save 140 ticks with Faster Maturation. From Larva to Ancient T2, you'll only save 310 ticks, which is like a bit over 5 minutes. It's simply not enough to justify spending 1 of queen's only 3 mutations (because rounds are too short for even Ancient T2s and Elder T3s, let alone Ancient Empress) on.

If the queen is mega bald and doesn't ovi in time, the hive has more problem to deal with than getting their evolutions in later than normal.

[kastion]

Yes, it shaves off every maturation level throughout the round, and no it's still not enough. From Larva to Ancient T1, you'll only save 140 ticks with Faster Maturation. From Larva to Ancient T2, you'll only save 310 ticks, which is like a bit over 5 minutes. It's simply not enough to justify spending 1 of queen's only 3 mutations (because rounds are too short for even Ancient T2s and Elder T3s, let alone Ancient Empress) on.

If the queen is mega bald and doesn't ovi in time, the hive has more problem to deal with than getting their evolutions in later than normal.

I think it can be used in low pop to help counter rushing marines some but that's about it. If they rush 3 squads at 25-30 minutes that gives you 2-3 minutes of extra evolve which can be the difference between your t3 reaching mature or dying at young and losing the game. Honestly it shouldn't come down to that but the admins refuse to do anything about young xenos being shit so what can ya do.

[kastion]

I mean does anyone see a problem with removing young xenos and starting everyone at mature while adding the 500 upgrade cost ontop mature so it takes 2100 instead of 1600 for a t3 to go to elite. You get to elite at the same time but you don't start off weak as shit. This could also make mutators only give 3 instead of 4 thus balancing mutators a little more. win/win/win for everyone. More balance, and more fun not having to sit around and wait till mature to not suck ass.

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

Seems fine for me honestly. Young is such a bullshit thing, forcing people to wait so that they won't be useless and won't die in 2 M41 shots or 1 Buckshot PB.

[Boersgard]

While marines struggle to kill stuff. 6 heavy bullets in a young carrier. Still no crit.

Yesterday I watched a sentinel get hit by two shotgun slugs, followed up by another 5-6 HPR rounds while it was laying on the ground and it still didn't die. Got dragged off to safet by some friend.

Xeno HP/survivability is ridiculous right now

[Boersgard]

The thing a lot of people don't realize is that it shaves time off every maturation level throughout the round from what I gather. This might not seem like much but this is a 10% reduction in maturation/evolution timers for every xeno from the moment the queen buys the mutator to the moment she dies or the round ends. Faster Maturation means less time between mutator picks, which means you gain power quicker on top of the stat boosts for maturing.

Not only that, but faster maturation allows the hive to offset a bald/slow/lazy queen taking a long time to ovi up, which reduces the urgency surrounding finding a spot to ovi.

It's not enough to be worth it right now, but if it were ever buffed to be worth taking (e.g. 50%), it would probably out-do all other mutations. +10% hp vs half the hive being one tier older than normal, I know which I'd pick.