MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

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MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 06 Aug 2018, 00:33

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Marine Name (so we know who you are; if you play alien mostly, state that here):
Magdalena 'Maggie' Krieger

Name/Designation of the Synth Character you’re requesting to use (Follows common naming rules, and requires a first name with no last name):
Clara

Are you familiar with the Synthetic Programming and Guidelines (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... 57&t=14417)?
Yes.

Synthetic Character Story (An ADEQUATE description and story of your Synthetics actions and involvement in a previous mission onboard the Almayer):
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How do you intend to play your Synth (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your Synth and what support roles you’ll mainly focus on, what is your synthetics quirk)?

Much like the storyline, Clara is a very detail-oriented individual. While most synths have a quirky accent or ability, hers is simply the ability to be analytical to the highest professional degree. Of course, this comes at a cost; her social understanding skills have "taken a hit" because of how unfiltered and analytical Clara can become, and this leads to most marines simply shunning her because of her inability to fit into a casual day-to-day aboard the ship. In medical terms, if she were an actual human being, she would be a sort of "Savant"; gifted in working skills, but lacking in social standings, so to speak. But because of this lack of social understandings, she has been able to commit, focus and complete almost all tasks to the highest proficiency, clearly surpassing human abilities. Because of this, she is highly desired for her invaluable analytical skills and perseverance. She will not get in the way of any Marine or Individual despite her calculations, and will make the best call according to who is in charge.

Her tenancies to analyze her fellow marines and components are her main weakness, as she sometimes does it, disregarding the setting she is in sometimes, leading her to be seen as brash to most marines. She, however, doesn't see herself as superior or more gifted than her fellow colleagues, in fact, the reason why she does it is simply because she is curious and wants to understand functions more.

For her roles, she is capable of almost all human related tasks required of the people aboard the ship in a supportive role, minus combat. Engineering, Medical, and Cargo are all programmed well within her, and still continues to expand her database to this day.

She seeks to give her all to the Almayer, to prove that she can be as human as the rest, just watch for analyzing.

How familiar are you with support roles? (ie; Medical, MT, Science, SO)

Familiar with all.

Why should we whitelist you?

I believe I can bring a high level of quality roleplay to the server with a synthetic for a few key reasons: Enjoyment for others, Teamwork, and Roleplay. Those three are pretty much the cornerstones of my application, and I hope you all could have seen that. I will be honest, yes, I am currently under probation, but that is even more the reason to maintain a high level of professionalism with a synthetic. Even now, any simple slip-up will most likely cause me to return to a banned state.

Much like a Synthetic, I must remain intangible at all times regarding my own scenario with the probation, as I continue to aim higher to prove myself worthy for a synthetic spot. I feel my leadership roles as a Staff Officer, CMO and Squad Medic during my probation here can help you all realize that I am in it for the long run. I have not once abused my position since my unbanning, and I only want to help continually support this community as a whole.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I know you all are busy with whats been happening lately.

Have you been banned from CM in the last month for any reason (we will check, and lies may result in immediate denial)?

Not in the last month, although I have been banned last year, recently unbanned.

Are you currently banned from any other servers and if so, why?

No.

Do you understand that any player - donor or otherwise - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our rules or the Synthetic Programming Guideline?

Yes.

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Sulaboy » 06 Aug 2018, 05:33

I need some more info about your quirk. How would being overly analytical effect you ingame? I see in the story parts where your synthetic recalls large descriptions of items, but would this carry over in their speach? I can't discern this from your story because inner thinking and dialogue are different things. The two lines of Clara's dialogue in the story don't let me know what will give them the personality that synthetics are supposed to have.

Story was well written, but I've got some problems with it too. I stated the part about dialogue already because this game revolves around dialogue. What I mean is that this story would have benifitted from some more insightful dialogue. "She was different than the rest. She always had trouble fitting in." This line bothers me.


I guess I'm not so confused on what your quirk is, but on how it will affect your synthetic. How does it change their dialogue and interactions with the crew. I also do have issue for your probation, and for what the ban was for.

In the end I'm going -1
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 06 Aug 2018, 06:23

Sulaboy wrote:
06 Aug 2018, 05:33
I need some more info about your quirk. How would being overly analytical effect you ingame? I see in the story parts where your synthetic recalls large descriptions of items, but would this carry over in their speach? I can't discern this from your story because inner thinking and dialogue are different things. The two lines of Clara's dialogue in the story don't let me know what will give them the personality that synthetics are supposed to have.

Story was well written, but I've got some problems with it too. I stated the part about dialogue already because this game revolves around dialogue. What I mean is that this story would have benifitted from some more insightful dialogue. "She was different than the rest. She always had trouble fitting in." This line bothers me.


I guess I'm not so confused on what your quirk is, but on how it will affect your synthetic. How does it change their dialogue and interactions with the crew. I also do have issue for your probation, and for what the ban was for.

In the end I'm staying neutral

Also nice ending "She then blinks"
Thanks for the input! So to begin with, her analyzing will come into play for more Roleplay Scenarios. Its clear that Synths have the ability to think over 8x different outcomes on a given scenario (cause AI is OP) much quicker than the average Marine can, so all those thoughts play in her head mostly; a point of view which is what the story was kind of going for.

When it comes to her speech, it will be a mix of both analytical anecdotes/seriousness to provide
Entertainment, really.

The whole “she was different” was exactly that, keyword Was. By the time the story ended, she started to LEARN how to be sympathetic, evidenced by holding the marines hand at the end. Like, I wanted to go for like a Heroes Revelation type thing. I wanted her to seem like a human while the reader is fully aware shes a synth. She has this “calling” she finds at the battlefield as a synth. It really is a past story for her, her learning to adapt as a Synthetic to blend in with Humans. By the time Clara is fully instated aboard the Almayer, I plan to have her socially functional and able to converse with the crew.

Her “quirk” really is... I guess herself; a synth who is someehat aware of her synthlike features but never gives up to try to act more humanlike. I guess the reason why I chose the quirk the kind of way it is, is because most people try to do this and that when it doesnt fit them when in all reality, they just need to be themselves! You know, that kinda stuff. I get that shes a synth, but that doesnt stop her from trying to “be like a human” if that makes any sense. Idk its like 3 in the morning here. To be honest, Her Quirk really is a self-made, self setup challenge for myself to continue to enjoy the roleplay and the server. I personally find it interesting to thrust other players in a sort of awkward position sometimes lol

Yeah, im not proud of the probation myself, so the only thing I can actually say is, I will always do the best I can!

Also, she blinks (YEAH DID YOU KNOW SYNTHS BARELY BLINK yeah she never once blinked through all that shit until she got on the ship, how synth like amirite)

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by ThesoldierLLJK » 06 Aug 2018, 13:04

I think your story and application are fine, I'm not one of these guys who nitpicks a back story as long as it shows you know how to roleplay.
The only issue I have is your probation, which although its not written down anywhere, not sure if you can have this application going at the moment.

I'm going to remain neutral until a senior member of staff decides on that one, if you can put this in while on probation, I have no issues with giving you a +1

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 06 Aug 2018, 15:43

ThesoldierLLJK wrote:
06 Aug 2018, 13:04
I think your story and application are fine, I'm not one of these guys who nitpicks a back story as long as it shows you know how to roleplay.
The only issue I have is your probation, which although its not written down anywhere, not sure if you can have this application going at the moment.

I'm going to remain neutral until a senior member of staff decides on that one, if you can put this in while on probation, I have no issues with giving you a +1
Yeaah I even did a PM INGAME to staff to see if it was even okay to put an app up during probation but the answer wasnt clear- I mean It doesnt really say in the guidelines- honestly im just hoping to land the spot and do the best I can haha

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Jakkkk » 07 Aug 2018, 01:36

This is a -1 from me.

First off, your synth is incredibly too human, and is shown to have feelings in some capacity which is a big NO-NO for synths. Examples are such as "began to learn how to sympathize" and "She had trouble fitting in." Sympathy is to express pity or sadness for someone else's troubles, which synths cannot do. A synth doesn't care if you got your arm chopped off, it doesn't bother them, it only bothers them because they recognize that you are less useful without your arm for the mission. The word you are looking to put there is empathize, synths can empathize all they want. Also, "she had trouble fitting in" sort of gives me the feeling that she feels like a loner or an outcast. Again, synths don't care at all if they're lonely or not one of the boys. Synthetics are there to complete their objectives, this doesn't mean that they are completely silent or unsocial, but they aren't bothered by not being accepted by everyone else. The only reason it could bother them is that they think it lowers morale to be around humans.

Second off, you are on probation and that gives me a bad vibe. I've seen your character once or twice IC, and don't remember any interactions.

My biggest advice would be to watch Detroit: Become Human lets plays or watch the David 8 video, I think these are good representations of the limitations of what synthetics should feel. The most relatable thing a synth feels is concern, they can be concerned over your wellbeing because they value your spot in the mission. Synths walk a fine line between emotionless robots and humans, so it's hard to understand sometimes what they can and cannot feel.

Also become more well known, do cool shit or play important roles. Take care.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 07 Aug 2018, 02:17

Jakkkk wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 01:36
This is a -1 from me.

First off, your synth is incredibly too human, and is shown to have feelings in some capacity which is a big NO-NO for synths. Examples are such as "began to learn how to sympathize" and "She had trouble fitting in." Sympathy is to express pity or sadness for someone else's troubles, which synths cannot do. A synth doesn't care if you got your arm chopped off, it doesn't bother them, it only bothers them because they recognize that you are less useful without your arm for the mission. The word you are looking to put there is empathize, synths can empathize all they want. Also, "she had trouble fitting in" sort of gives me the feeling that she feels like a loner or an outcast. Again, synths don't care at all if they're lonely or not one of the boys. Synthetics are there to complete their objectives, this doesn't mean that they are completely silent or unsocial, but they aren't bothered by not being accepted by everyone else. The only reason it could bother them is that they think it lowers morale to be around humans.

Second off, you are on probation and that gives me a bad vibe. I've seen your character once or twice IC, and don't remember any interactions.

My biggest advice would be to watch Detroit: Become Human lets plays or watch the David 8 video, I think these are good representations of the limitations of what synthetics should feel. The most relatable thing a synth feels is concern, they can be concerned over your wellbeing because they value your spot in the mission. Synths walk a fine line between emotionless robots and humans, so it's hard to understand sometimes what they can and cannot feel.

Also become more well known, do cool shit or play important roles. Take care.
Well said thoughts, but I just want to comment on a few things:

I think your over analyzing my story and synth a little bit, the whole premise of it in the story was to actually understand her quirks from a human point of view. Of course Synths have cold emotions and can be seen as "cold" but the notion of "learning to sympathize" and trying to fit in was from a human perspective. For example, imagine meeting an actual synth in real life- It's obvious that how we feel and act would never be the same- Conversations would be slightly weird/analytical coming from Synths who are PROGRAMMED to do as such. When I mean sympathize, I mean they DO THE BEST THEY CAN to fit in to regular humans, who have emotions, nerves, feelings; of which synths do not. But Clara is somewhat aware of this notion- she doesnt actually feel these feels. She doesnt try too hard to be human- she is simply aware of the fact from the reactions and analyzing she does constantly, observing her surroundings as a synth. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear enough. I don't know, maybe your right, maybe I used the wrong word.

"A synth doesn't care if you got your arm chopped off, it doesn't bother them, it only bothers them because they recognize that you are less useful without your arm for the mission."

Pretty sure she dint care that she got shot and showed no emotion as she fell, only focusing on the guy on the bed in my story; as synths would be in a hostile scenario.

I understand the reaction about the probation, and I won't defend myself. I will do the best I can to redeem the name that I have.

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Karmac » 07 Aug 2018, 05:57

MayorOfKenya wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 02:17
When I mean sympathize, I mean they DO THE BEST THEY CAN to fit in to regular humans, who have emotions, nerves, feelings; of which synths do not. But Clara is somewhat aware of this notion- she doesnt actually feel these feels. She doesnt try too hard to be human- she is simply aware of the fact from the reactions and analyzing she does constantly, observing her surroundings as a synth. I'm sorry if it wasn't clear enough. I don't know, maybe your right, maybe I used the wrong word.
This way of thinking combined with your 'quirk' if you can really call it that, make your Synthetic seem like more of a faulty product more than anything. Synthetics are intended to fit in with and assist the crew, if she's not trying all that hard to fit in and it's coming across pretty clearly, then you're just roleplaying a robot realizing they are a robot, at least what I've quoted from you leads me to believe this. I had a similar issue with RavingManiac's synthetic review, I believe, who's original quirk equated to 'is robotic in nature', it didn't take much for him to fix the issue I had with his application but what I've seen so far leads me to believe you've accidentally fallen into the same hole yourself.

Going with a -1 on this for now.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Kavlo » 07 Aug 2018, 09:31

Combined with what Jakkk and Karmac both said it paints a fairly clear picture you need to revise your backstory and play-style before your synthetic before you're good to go.

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 07 Aug 2018, 15:41

Karmac wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 05:57
This way of thinking combined with your 'quirk' if you can really call it that, make your Synthetic seem like more of a faulty product more than anything. Synthetics are intended to fit in with and assist the crew, if she's not trying all that hard to fit in and it's coming across pretty clearly, then you're just roleplaying a robot realizing they are a robot, at least what I've quoted from you leads me to believe this. I had a similar issue with RavingManiac's synthetic review, I believe, who's original quirk equated to 'is robotic in nature', it didn't take much for him to fix the issue I had with his application but what I've seen so far leads me to believe you've accidentally fallen into the same hole yourself.

Going with a -1 on this for now.
Hmm. I see, interesting reply, definitely something to look forward to when I make another story. I just want to make it clear that Clara (the synth) and me personally KNOW that they are intended to fit in but not self aware that they are a robot- and so being aware of the surroundings isn't exactly a fault when it comes to synthetics. They just analyze, gather data, and then make the best calculated option based on their surroundings.

As I quote from a AvP Wiki for Synthetics (its probably the closest we'll ever get):

"[Synthetics] display synthesized emotion, superficially register self-awareness and, most importantly of all, have the ability to reason, conceptualize and offer opinion. However, these capabilities do not infer human-like consciousness, even though for all other intents and purposes synthetics are artificial intelligence."

The Story, like I said, is from a HUMAN point of view, not Claras. Synths are near perfect when it comes to initializing and completing tasks handed to them without fault, and so while they DO blend in with the crew, it is awfully apparent that they are synthetic, and as such, stand out. It was literally the whole point of it. When I wrote this, I wanted to make the reader have a glimpse from a human point. Of course we all know what a synth should do, what a synth can do. They are a walking computer. If they wrote the story instead of me, it would be terribly bland and analytical because of their lack of understanding emotion. When Clara got shot in my story, she din't show emotion at all.

I purposefully designed her quirk to make it a challenge for myself to attempt maintaining the highest degree of roleplay of being a synth. I mean lets be real honest here if im getting nitpicked- It's a HUMAN playing a Synthetic- I have not seen one synthetic whitelisted player that is perfect 100% of the time- sometimes they show emotion or do something that a Synth shouldn't do because its a player behind the desk and its SS13. And I don't mind it- I literally am just compensating for it in the future IN CASE there is a slip up.

Humans have flaws, so it is written from a view that has flaws, and sees synths differently, when it isn't the case in the mind of a Synth at all- who is programmed to be perfect; who may have zero sense of self awareness.

However, it's a good point that you bring up, and one that I wish and hoped I addressed asap because all of the aforementioned replies I feel are starting off in the wrong foot. (but cant anymore cause edit protocols, rest in peppers)

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Karmac » 07 Aug 2018, 23:03

You've done a much better job explaining your Synth through this conversation than you've managed in your application and I feel people are going to be more willing to +1 this now you've made a proper case. It's for this exact reason though that I'm going to stay neutral, you've just proven to me you're capable of making a much better app that would explain your playstyle in a significantly clearer manner.

From an application perspective I'd like to see you make another one because I know it'll be that much better now you understand people's issues understanding this, but from the perspective of a player I fully believe you're ready for this and I wish you good luck.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 08 Aug 2018, 03:42

Karmac wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 23:03
You've done a much better job explaining your Synth through this conversation than you've managed in your application and I feel people are going to be more willing to +1 this now you've made a proper case. It's for this exact reason though that I'm going to stay neutral, you've just proven to me you're capable of making a much better app that would explain your playstyle in a significantly clearer manner.

From an application perspective I'd like to see you make another one because I know it'll be that much better now you understand people's issues understanding this, but from the perspective of a player I fully believe you're ready for this and I wish you good luck.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Lukey111 » 08 Aug 2018, 16:26

Probation does make this a little iffy. We have to know that you are trustworthy to have this role, and knowing that you got a perma ban in the past is a negative impact to me. You have had an account for almost a year, with only 27 posts, also accounting this thread. This is not a very big thing, but if there is a big change to the rules/guidelines, we want our synth players to know about it. On the emotions part, synthetics are programmed to feel emotions to about half as if a human could. For example, if it found an undiscovered beast somewhere in a dark cave, it would be frightened some, but would also be curious about it and interested in it. So I am ok with how you sayd you were left out and felt a bit lonely, but synths should be able to control their emotions and push it away, making sure it doesn't interrupt their work. You show a good understanding of the guidelines.

In all, I'm gonna have to go with a neutral, since you are on probation, and how I dont know you much on the forums. Not counting those, I think I could plop down a +1 for you. I am already teeter-tottering it right now. Good luck.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Jakkkk » 08 Aug 2018, 18:26

Lukey111 wrote:
08 Aug 2018, 16:26

So I am ok with how you sayd you were left out and felt a bit lonely, but synths should be able to control their emotions and push it away, making sure it doesn't interrupt their work.
Synths don't feel emotions, please don't spread false information.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 08 Aug 2018, 20:33

Lukey111 wrote:
08 Aug 2018, 16:26
Probation does make this a little iffy. We have to know that you are trustworthy to have this role, and knowing that you got a perma ban in the past is a negative impact to me. You have had an account for almost a year, with only 27 posts, also accounting this thread. This is not a very big thing, but if there is a big change to the rules/guidelines, we want our synth players to know about it. On the emotions part, synthetics are programmed to feel emotions to about half as if a human could. For example, if it found an undiscovered beast somewhere in a dark cave, it would be frightened some, but would also be curious about it and interested in it. So I am ok with how you sayd you were left out and felt a bit lonely, but synths should be able to control their emotions and push it away, making sure it doesn't interrupt their work. You show a good understanding of the guidelines.

In all, I'm gonna have to go with a neutral, since you are on probation, and how I dont know you much on the forums. Not counting those, I think I could plop down a +1 for you. I am already teeter-tottering it right now. Good luck.
Thanks for the response! Yeah, barring the whole emotions things (which synths cant feel btw o.o) I definitely acknowledge the probation thing; I cant really defend or say anything since I personally feel I am in no position, but I will do the best I can!

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by awan » 15 Aug 2018, 06:16

Synthetics do not feel emotions. They might emulate them to a certain degree but that would not be what this is about.
I am willing to +1 if it was after the probation. Show us you are a good player then apply. Right now it feels to quick.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 15 Aug 2018, 15:32

awan wrote:
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Synthetics do not feel emotions. They might emulate them to a certain degree but that would not be what this is about.
I am willing to +1 if it was after the probation. Show us you are a good player then apply. Right now it feels to quick.

Correct, which is what my Synth is able to interpret but not feel in the story!

I understand your position regarding my probation. I promise to not let you down regardless of the result. Its all I can say for now because of the position I am in.

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Solarmare » 16 Aug 2018, 20:37

Not comfortable with giving a whitelist to someone who's currently on probation for a major rule break, th9ugh you haven't caused issue so far.
I would say in a month consolidate what's been gone over in the thread and make some issues such as the story more clear or just in general improve the main app, I'll go with a -1 for now but you shouldn't have much issue with getting a synth app accepted later if you're active on the server and keep in mind what's been gone over so far.
Making the quirk more clear in the story always helps by showing you understand your synths trait and that you're able to display it.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 16 Aug 2018, 21:37

Solarmare wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 20:37
Not comfortable with giving a whitelist to someone who's currently on probation for a major rule break, th9ugh you haven't caused issue so far.
I would say in a month consolidate what's been gone over in the thread and make some issues such as the story more clear or just in general improve the main app, I'll go with a -1 for now but you shouldn't have much issue with getting a synth app accepted later if you're active on the server and keep in mind what's been gone over so far.
Making the quirk more clear in the story always helps by showing you understand your synths trait and that you're able to display it.
Sounds good, I'll keep that in mind the next time I make another application. I'll make adjustments to the story as needed as well. I also think you mean two months cause I think thats the timeframe if Synth apps get denied :c but I should be way out of probation then.

I'll still be keeping an eye on this application regardless!

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Wubs4Scrubs » 19 Aug 2018, 11:56

This is literally your first post outside of the appeals section. You're also applying for a heavy RP role after being banned for over half a year for full-on ERP.

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Brotemis » 19 Aug 2018, 18:24

Jakkkk wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 01:36
This is a -1 from me.

First off, your synth is incredibly too human, and is shown to have feelings in some capacity which is a big NO-NO for synths. Examples are such as "began to learn how to sympathize" and "She had trouble fitting in." Sympathy is to express pity or sadness for someone else's troubles, which synths cannot do. A synth doesn't care if you got your arm chopped off, it doesn't bother them, it only bothers them because they recognize that you are less useful without your arm for the mission. The word you are looking to put there is empathize, synths can empathize all they want. Also, "she had trouble fitting in" sort of gives me the feeling that she feels like a loner or an outcast. Again, synths don't care at all if they're lonely or not one of the boys. Synthetics are there to complete their objectives, this doesn't mean that they are completely silent or unsocial, but they aren't bothered by not being accepted by everyone else. The only reason it could bother them is that they think it lowers morale to be around humans.

Second off, you are on probation and that gives me a bad vibe. I've seen your character once or twice IC, and don't remember any interactions.

My biggest advice would be to watch Detroit: Become Human lets plays or watch the David 8 video, I think these are good representations of the limitations of what synthetics should feel. The most relatable thing a synth feels is concern, they can be concerned over your wellbeing because they value your spot in the mission. Synths walk a fine line between emotionless robots and humans, so it's hard to understand sometimes what they can and cannot feel.

Also become more well known, do cool shit or play important roles. Take care.
I normally don't do synthetic applications but I'm going to +1 this to counter your -1 because you have it completely wrong on synths and feelings.

Literally from the synthetic programming thread
A synthetic's emotions are limited and passive in that their emotions do not control their actions. They can be seen crying although they aren't truly sad, and so never reach the maximum sadness of a human. In other words, a synthetic might reach about 50% of a given emotion but never surpass it, and emotions never alter its decision-making process.

You can see a marine missing an arm and say "Oh dear, you appear to be missing an arm. You have my sympathy, but you should get that fixed." Delivered deadpan, it underscores the irony of the situation. Most people would sympathize with losing an arm and be horrified about it. A synth, while they may be programmed to imitate human emotions, fall short in expressing this sympathy and falls into the uncanny valley. The uncanny valley is a common unsettling feeling people experience when androids (humanoid robots) and audio/visual simulations closely resemble humans in many respects but are not quite convincingly realistic. It looks like a human, talks like a human, but we recognize when something is off like body language, tone, and delivery. And it is really unnerving.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Jakkkk » 19 Aug 2018, 19:01

Brotemis wrote:
19 Aug 2018, 18:24
I normally don't do synthetic applications but I'm going to +1 this to counter your -1 because you have it completely wrong on synths and feelings.
I wonder who has the better take on synthetics, the guy who has been playing one for 6 months, or the guy who "normally doesn't do synthetic applications."

As far as any synth is considered IC, they do not have emotions. Playing a synth doesn't mean you have to RP as feeling half emotions, you RP as having simulated or no emotions at all. You can ask any synthetic player on that and they will agree with me.

Also let's say that you are entirely right and I am entirely wrong, I am still keeping this at a -1 because, as Wubz said, this person has only posted in an ERP appeal before this application.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MayorOfKenya » 19 Aug 2018, 20:31

Wubs4Scrubs wrote:
19 Aug 2018, 11:56
This is literally your first post outside of the appeals section. You're also applying for a heavy RP role after being banned for over half a year for full-on ERP.

-1
Understood, I agree on the notion that the Perma ban weighes very, very heavily on this application. I hope I can convince you otherwise in the future that I have changed and such acts will never happen again. Until then, I cannot defend myself or say anything for something so blatant (ERP).


It's nice for the other person to +1 just to counteract a -1, but all in all the cards are on the table in the end. I am held, punished, and made responsible for my previous acts, and any +1 or -1 made will ultimately be for the better, regardless of the outcome of this application. I see what needs to be fixed, and I will keep it in mind for the future.

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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by Sleepy Retard » 19 Sep 2018, 18:55

I've seen you infrequently. I also remember filing the permaban for ERP. Not that I actually think it detracts from your application, I couldn't care less. Though, the lack of activity besides the perma appeal is iffy.

Besides that, the story is...It would work well in another setting. You've failed to accurately capture what a synth is in this universe. It was written well enough besides the obvious fuckups that Jakkk pointed out. Whenever this gets denied, I highly suggest this not dissuade you - take the time to brush up what a synthetic is, revise, and write a new story.
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Re: MayorOfKenya's Synthetic Application!

Post by MattAtlas » 25 Sep 2018, 07:01

Others have explained my issues better than I can. Synths shouldn't be as human as you've depicted yours to be. Synths wouldn't "learn how to sympathize" - that's the best example of way too much humanity.

It's gonna be a -1 from me. I think you're a pretty good story writer however. If you fix your application up, keep being active and catch the actual meaning of a synthetic in our lore, you'll get accepted most likely.
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