CO Report - Pierce Jackson

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CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Chaznoodles » 21 Dec 2018, 14:38

Your Byond Key: Chaznoodles

Your Character Name: Marcellus Mason

Accused Byond Key(if known): ?

Character Name: Pierce Jackson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results):13:15, 21/12/2018

What rule(s) were broken: General Rule 16.

Description of the incident:

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

I'd been around since the start of the round, fortifying the LZ heavily with a bunch of other engineers. When xenos eventually pushed up, I repeatedly put myself on the line to fix breaches, receiving a lot of wounds in the process, getting patched up and promptly sticking myself on the line again. The CO, a presumed latejoin, makes an announcement saying we're to evac because "he has no clue about the situation" or something along those lines. I encourage everyone to stay, as we have four full barricade lines remaining and the men to man it. Eventually, due to the POs not bringing ammo and the repeated evac orders, we pull back. I head to medbay, complaining about how we could've held, to get my ridiculous number of wounds fixed. Bravo are generally ignoring me, when the CO jumps in and starts going hammer-and-tongs. I tell him repeatedly that we could've held and that we had the men and defences to do it, and that not knowing the situation is a pants-on-head reason to evac when we were winning the fight. I end the conversation with a choice "shove your orders where the sun don't shine" as I'm about to fall over from internal injuries. The CO promptly runs ALL the way down from the CIC to Medbay, draws his Mateba, pointblanks me twice while I'm in paincrit, then runs away before anyone - including all the MPs present - realise what just happened. He then makes a vague announcement to get himself off the hook.

There were tons of MPs present in Medbay during the entire conversation he could've asked to arrest me. At any point he could've removed himself from Bravo comms, knowing that marines will complain when they pull out when they were winning. He could've came down, given a stern lecture on tough decisions, then had the MPs present detain me. Instead, he guns it down from the CIC when the conversation's finished, wordlessly clicks me twice then sprints off to avoid repercussions. This is pretty clear abuse of the BE rules as there were multiple easier alternatives, and it seems like he just wanted his valids/to fuck with Mason some more as all COs tend to do.

After this, a moderator, who has been involved in other reports I've made, pops into dchat to rile me up, see attached images.

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In the below logs, you'll clearly see Bravo completely ignoring me or telling me to shut up, so there was zero undermining of command, and nor was it intended to be, just a really injured marine whod' spent the entire round keeping as many people safe as possible taking his pissiness out over comms. There was never a mention of mutiny or overthrow either, so nothing on removal of command. There were also no threats to the person or ship. Everything there was a minor disagreement, there were no threats and the conversation was over when he decided to run to Medbay and remove me from the round.

https://pastebin.com/ak60MsWi

How you would punish the accused: Removal of whitelist. Yet another CO player, and one on the council to boot, who thinks shit-tier play is allowed and pissing someone about because of their name/ckey is fine. They know there's zero punishment for COs who fuck up, look at all the failed reports everyone has made in the past.

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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Survivor » 21 Dec 2018, 14:45

Chaznoodles. Friend.


You actively kept telling me my orders were bad on your own judgement. I kept, KEPT telling you to not do what you did. I said "Do not disobey my Command, Mason". Atleast 3 times. You want to know your response? "Shove yours orders up your ass". You went against my Command and orders. You baited this, you got what you wanted.


My favorite part is that you said that I broke the BE rules. The BE rules that I helped write, with shit like this in mind. The logs will literally show everything. You bait this shit EVERY ROUND. EVERY ROUND YOU ARE ON. You are just ridiculous, Chaznoodles.
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by ThesoldierLLJK » 21 Dec 2018, 14:47

As the senior mod on at the time, for the record on the other matter of blades action, I spoke with him about that.

I told him not to add fuel to the fire

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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Bancrose » 21 Dec 2018, 14:49

BE Rule 1 - Threat to your command. Credibly attempting to or threatening to undermine your command or attempting to remove your command through illegal means. (The CL or other crew reporting you to high command does NOT permit you to BE them. A minor insult or disagreement is not undermining your command, countermanding or refusing to follow orders is.)

That is rule you're questioning regarding BE's, The ones that Pierce have pretty much written. The Council will give their full opinion on this later.
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Survivor » 21 Dec 2018, 14:52

Bancrose wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:49
BE Rule 1 - Threat to your command. Credibly attempting to or threatening to undermine your command or attempting to remove your command through illegal means. (The CL or other crew reporting you to high command does NOT permit you to BE them. A minor insult or disagreement is not undermining your command, countermanding or refusing to follow orders is.)

That is rule you're questioning regarding BE's, The ones that Pierce have pretty much written. The Council will give their full opinion on this later.
Credibly attempting to or threatening to undermine your command AND countermanding or refusing to follow orders is


"You don't know what you are doing as Commander"

"The CO doesn't even know what was going on!"

"You are an idiot (Or whatever kind of slang he used here) for calling evac"

"Shove your orders up your ass".
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Chaznoodles » 21 Dec 2018, 14:55

Survivor wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:45
Chaznoodles. Friend.


You actively kept telling me my orders were bad on your own judgement. I kept, KEPT telling you to not do what you did. I said "Do not disobey my Command, Mason". Atleast 3 times. You want to know your response? "Shove yours orders up your ass". You went against my Command and orders. You baited this, you got what you wanted.


My favorite part is that you said that I broke the BE rules. The BE rules that I helped write, with shit like this in mind. The logs will literally show everything. You bait this shit EVERY ROUND. EVERY ROUND YOU ARE ON. You are just ridiculous, Chaznoodles.
I'm not your friend, don't get snide.

At any point of those, you could've had MPs arrest me. Why didn't you, why did you decide to run from the CIC wordlessly, blow my head off with MPs present, then sprint off?

"You bait this shit every round"

Imagine thinking someone calling you a cockmuppet is bait to get you to blow their head off, instead of thinking you're using it as an excuse to fuck with a player you don't like.
Survivor wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:52
Credibly attempting to or threatening to undermine your command


"Shove your orders up your ass".
Imagine thinking a deathly-wounded, nearly-paincritted LCPL who put himself on the line over and over again who has made zero threat to you or the ship is making a credible attempt to undermine you by telling you to shove your orders up your ass, after the only orders you've given are 'evac' and 'shut the fuck up you brainlet'.
Survivor wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:52
Credibly attempting to or threatening to undermine your command AND countermanding or refusing to follow orders is


"You don't know what you are doing as Commander"

"The CO doesn't even know what was going on!"

"You are an idiot (Or whatever kind of slang he used here) for calling evac"

"Shove your orders up your ass".
See the above reply, imagine thinking any of those were credible. You literally stated, in the evac reason, that you called it because you had no idea what was going on.
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Survivor » 21 Dec 2018, 14:57

Chaznoodles wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:55
Imagine thinking a deathly-wounded, nearly-paincritted LCPL who put himself on the line over and over again who has made zero threat to you or the ship is making a credible attempt to undermine you by telling you to shove your orders up your ass, after the only orders you've given are 'evac' and 'shut the fuck up you brainlet'.
A wounded marine undermining orders is a marine undermining orders. I called you a brainlet because you were being a brainlet
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Chaznoodles » 21 Dec 2018, 14:58

Survivor wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:57
A wounded marine undermining orders is a marine undermining orders. I called you a brainlet because you were being a brainlet
What orders did I undermine, exactly? This is just get another pissaround from someone who doesn't like me, and thinks that's enough of an excuse to fuck with me.

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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Survivor » 21 Dec 2018, 15:06

Chaznoodles wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:55
Friend Chaznoodles.


I didn't call the MPs to perma brig you because it would have been faster and I wouldn't have to hear your bitching. Besides, I didn't want you spitting propaganda from your cell with the radio headset to mutiny.


As to those responses, you indeed told me that I didn't know what I was doing as CO, and to shove my orders up my ass. That is literally the definition of undermining my authority. You need an MRI scan if you can't understand this concept.


Again, you do bait this every round. This isn't an opinion, or a salty defense. It's just you Chaznoodles. It's all you do.


You deserved the BE, dude. Someone pull logs so we can get this resolved.
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Blade2000Br » 21 Dec 2018, 15:11

ThesoldierLLJK wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 14:47
As the senior mod on at the time, for the record on the other matter of blades action, I spoke with him about that.

I told him not to add fuel to the fire
Adding to what Soldier said here, I had just joined and wasn't rilling you up or anything. I barely knew what was happening and actually was just joking around.

I didn't knew you were going to report the CO, neither what actually happened.

I apologised as I was just joking around.
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Survivor » 21 Dec 2018, 15:25

z a n e b o t wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 15:24
Relevant Logs:
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I ask that you put in the rest of the insults he threw at me, eh? And the part where he told me to shove the orders up my ass
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by z a n e b o t » 21 Dec 2018, 15:26

Survivor wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 15:25
I ask that you put in the rest of the insults he threw at me, eh? And the part where he told me to shove the orders up my ass
Couldn't find any, will look again.

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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Survivor » 21 Dec 2018, 15:35

z a n e b o t wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 15:26
Couldn't find any, will look again.
https://pastebin.com/ak60MsWi


Well you see, my friend Chaznoodles already posted the logs of where he is constantly insulting and undermining me on Comms
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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by z a n e b o t » 21 Dec 2018, 15:38

Survivor wrote:
21 Dec 2018, 15:35
https://pastebin.com/ak60MsWi


Well you see, my friend Chaznoodles already posted the logs of where he is constantly insulting and undermining me on Comms
Right, once logs update and include all of that, I'll get it posted ASAP for you.

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Re: CO Report - Pierce Jackson

Post by Emeraldblood » 21 Dec 2018, 16:31

We've already been over this Chaz. If you're going to tell CO to fuck off to their face all the time, the death is your fault. If you don't want to die, stop ignoring orders and insult the CO when they're right there.

Case closed.
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