Heads auto receiving whitelists

[VitorThauma]

personally I dont mind, I mean they spend their time grinding the code making us updates they deserve to try some of the toys they made.

[Emeraldblood]

The head dev is in charge of a lot of shit for the server and these rewards, such as whitelist access, are something we give to them for the hard work they do for the server. People like Spooky are the ones who make the updates to the game possible and we respect the what they do for the server, so yes, Spooky does receive whitelists for free. On top of this, any of you could also get staff perks if you wish to put the time into CM he like he does. So for why he played mostly Elder, there is no option for head staff to pick if you have Elder Preds. This is actually a big reason I just don't play pred despite having it as well, as I don't want to jump through all the hoops just to play a normal pred. Finally, Spooky is not above the rules as pred. Everything he does IC he is still held to and if he's stepping over the line with predator, it will be dealt with. I should also be said that the path Spooky took to getting pred is a lot harder than just making a normal pred app.

[Dauntasa]

Honestly even if he's bad at it I feel like the head dev needs pred access. If the dev team don't have pred access, how are they supposed to develop pred related things?

[BobatNight]

Nerf preds

[Aceluke123]

Is this a serious discussion? He was never denied by the pred apps he merely withdrew his application. Also, why are non-preds getting angry about someone getting predator? Make an app and you very well may as well get it too.

Don't make toxic forum discussions that don't add to the community in any real positive light, it just makes it seem like whining, at least from my view.

A staff report doesn't have anything to do with this right now, but if you feel spooky does break the code and deserves a removal then you need to make a report.

His application was fine and probably would have gotten approved in any case.

[BobatNight]

His app got shot down to my knowledge.

[Casany]

Is this a serious discussion? He was never denied by the pred apps he merely withdrew his application. Also, why are non-preds getting angry about someone getting predator? Make an app and you very well may as well get it too.

Don't make toxic forum discussions that don't add to the community in any real positive light, it just makes it seem like whining, at least from my view.

A staff report doesn't have anything to do with this right now, but if you feel spooky does break the code and deserves a removal then you need to make a report.

His application was fine and probably would have gotten approved in any case.

My only concern is him breaking the code and getting away with it because he's a head dev and probably the only one willing to head dev. Like Abbisynth.

And with the recent instability it's not like he couldn't get away with it. Hell, even if a staff report was made I'd just see it ending with a "Warning given" and nothing else. And it makes sense, there aren't a lotta devs right now and removing another head dev wouldn't look good.

The situation of CM right now is the only reason I'm worried. It isn't really about them just getting it it's more that they could abuse it and it'd look really bad because they didn't even have an app accepted.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

And with the recent instability it's not like he couldn't get away with it. Hell, even if a staff report was made I'd just see it ending with a "Warning given" and nothing else. And it makes sense, there aren't a lotta devs right now and removing another head dev wouldn't look good.

Getting a warning is not really getting away with it, people get warned all the time. If he makes a mistake and breaks the code he can be report.

Besides I think it’s good a head dev is testing things on live populated server because it tells/shows them
What can be improved.

[Sneakyr]

I'm a predator. I "earned" my whitelist (apparently). I even got denied the first time and spent most of three months off and on developing my second story.
I'm 100% fine with the fact that Spooky is an Elder, even though I've voiced multiple times my opinion that he can be overly brusque oftentimes.
Spooky's app wasn't even that bad if I remember correctly, he was just too sensitive to criticism.
If I don't give a shit when I'm one of the ones that supposedly earned it, why do all of you give a shit about him needing to earn it?

[Royal Griffon]

I mean if you think about it really softly or even hard
Devs did technically make the entire role and gear that you got whitelisted for
I mean should they be elder? Now that may be pushing it, but should they technically be allowed to be a regular predator, well of course if you asked me, they made the damn role didn't they? They might as well be allowed to play it as long as they follow the honor code and server rules
Wouldn't be right or fair to just lock them off from their work I mean, I dabbled in coding a bit for like a year and trust me it can be an annoying prick over half the time, especially if you're testing things to try and improve or improve it, cause you can either go too far or not nearly far enough or just make hardly any change or mess up the entire code and have to start all over again

[Davidchan]

If you think about it even remotely, all members of the staff team from moderators, coders to head Devs and hosts should be the standard for the rules. If they aren't living up to the whitelist role they should be barred from using it till they learn to. If they are breaking the rules they should be removed from stag position until they can follow them. If the staff aren't the role models the player base should be basing their actions and behavior off of, what's the point of having white lists and rules if the most visible players don't have to follow them?

[Dolth]

If he understands the lore, Code of Honor and doesn't act like a dick.
I am fine with it.

Gimme pred whitelist then.

[Avalanchee]

Gimme pred whitelist then.

yeah it's not really fair against us,
but what can we do about it?

literally nothing.

[Herac]

Gimme pred whitelist then.

Just become head staff, no need for long backstory in pred app or anything.

The real question is, does this mean spooky has Echo squad whitelist?

[Dolth]

yeah it's not really fair against us,
but what can we do about it?

literally nothing.

Jokes on you, I am writting a pred app since 2 weeks now. Most likely I'll get denied again tho.

[Avalanchee]

Jokes on you, I am writting a pred app since 2 weeks now. Most likely I'll get denied again tho.

Good shit man
I want to see you play as a pred

[ThePiachu]

Well, it seems this issue is partially a code issue as Emeraldblood pointed out. So why not channel this into a proper suggestion - https://gitlab.com/cmdevs/ColonialMarines/issues/4167

[TastyCrabLegs]

IMO its kinda useless being so serious about pred apps. Most preds don't really rp at all past the hunt, make troll sounds , ect.

The argument that they are held to a higher standard simply means that you should get a job ban easier.

The whitelist seemed like a good idea, but all I see is the same 7-10 people playing CO or Pred or sometimes synth then the rest of the time those roles are not used and just gather dust.

Open it up, give people a chance to play, stop acting like this is some super secret thing that must be guarded.
Or don't *Shrugs*

[Renomaki]

IMO its kinda useless being so serious about pred apps. Most preds don't really rp at all past the hunt, make troll sounds , ect.

The argument that they are held to a higher standard simply means that you should get a job ban easier.

The whitelist seemed like a good idea, but all I see is the same 7-10 people playing CO or Pred or sometimes synth then the rest of the time those roles are not used and just gather dust.

Open it up, give people a chance to play, stop acting like this is some super secret thing that must be guarded.
Or don't *Shrugs*

Honestly, as a predator player myself, I can't help but agree.

Really, the reality of predator is not all that interesting. You spawn in, grab some gear, then deploy and hope you have a good hunt. RP is nice when it happens, but more often than not it just devolves into a brawl for survival due to the fact that, well, predators are antagonist to all, and even if one predator decides to leave humans alone, another predator will go full on ham on them and cause the rest to get shot on sight.

The only reason we even have the whitelist is as a safety measure to prevent people from griefing hardcore, but in my experience, it isn't hard to fight a predator, moreso with all the heavy weapons marines got and the swarm tactics of the xenos. Not even the strongest weapons a predator has will ward off the superior firepower of the marines or the numbers of an organized swarm of aliens, and I say that with experience.

Maybe we should make the whitelist for ELDERS instead of common yautja, so all the common folk can get a chance to predator it up, but also ensure that there are plenty of elders to help GUIDE them and keep them in line, similar to a commander or a queen.

And I mean a TRUE elder who focuses on being a leader of the pack and keeps the lot organised, not a youngblood with a fancy cape who just wants to run around and kill shit. I seen too many elders fail to live up to their positions.

[Arbs]

Krump em goldman

[Dolth]

IMO its kinda useless being so serious about pred apps. Most preds don't really rp at all past the hunt, make troll sounds , ect.

The argument that they are held to a higher standard simply means that you should get a job ban easier.

The whitelist seemed like a good idea, but all I see is the same 7-10 people playing CO or Pred or sometimes synth then the rest of the time those roles are not used and just gather dust.

Open it up, give people a chance to play, stop acting like this is some super secret thing that must be guarded.
Or don't *Shrugs*

You are the man. And I totally vouch for that.

[Vispain]

You know....
I thought I'd give a shit but if ya'll are headstaff you are a volunteer guy putting in some good effort into the server. Top that off with being a dev ( which is like the organs and brains of CM), yeah I see no problem with this so long as they follow their own rules and keep to the code.