Heads auto receiving whitelists

[Asmodius]

On the topic of head staff members, Spooky got denied for predator due to their pure atrociousness of an application, and in these two past rounds, they have rolled Elder and died both times.

Even Feweh and Rahl had apped for Predator before they played them.

Why are Head-Staff members auto-granted these sorts of roles, INCLUDING Elder, which has less restrictions, can ignore honor code under special circumstance and more 'authority' over other predators? If someone who got the role out of pure chance and luck receives it, gets Elder and calls someone who's had the whitelist for over a year, that's not exactly the best image.

Walking around and calling people who earned their whitelist: 'Young Blood' when the role was never applied for. That seems pretty lame imo.

Staff =/= game competency

[Butlerblock]

Dying has nothing to do with being a predator(see niick), and as spooky already has a synthetic whitelist and i’m fairly certain already has a CO whitelist they already know how to RP to the standards of a pred, however I do agree that he shouldn’t be given elder straight away and instead be given normal pred whitelist.

[spookydonut]

Elder is a code limitation, there's no way to not join as elder with +ALL whitelist

[Clutch]

>gets predapp bwoinked into the grond>gets headdev>forces multiple pred rounds>dies everytime>haha>

[Asmodius]

app for it and i wouldnt have a problem, but, going into a role with zero review besides, "i am headstaff, haha youngblood" isn't the best thing.

at least show me you have the social skills for the RP role that it is before getting headdev over re-apping for predator.

[Rohesie]

Perhaps this would fit more into a staff report, really, than a thread in General.

[Asmodius]

im not reporting anyone, just maybe this should be re-thought. I can't report them for having a denied app but playing the role anyways, and this literally only effects 4 people, but, sometimes, one of those four people isnt the best candidate. i cant say ive seen an elder play a round faster than spookydonut suddenly getting head, especially elder pred on a denied app.

just seems wonky.

[Casany]

Seems kinda like abuse to me.

Sounds like what Abby used to do IMO

[KeyWii]

Sounds like what Abby used to do IMO

We don't speak of that name here

[Bancrose]

Just a small note, Apop, Rahl, and even Feweh when they were Heads. All of them had apps accepted for the roles they played(For the most part). They aren't here anymore, but just to sort of set the standard there or to keep it there would be nice.

[carlarc]

i mean, the feweh/apop apps were really lackluster if you actually look at em

[Simo94]

personally I dont mind, I mean they spend their time grinding the code making us updates they deserve to try some of the toys they made.

[Mvp777]

Honestly, as long as they are following the rules for their respective roles and make an effort to play their character, who cares if they didn't get the role through whitelist? considering they sorta collectively manage an entire team + the server and community as a whole i'd personally say that a few priviliges and a thank you for their work is not unwarranted.

And for Head developer specifically how do you expect him to make/oversee changes to a role like predator if he isn't able to playtest it himself? in a populated server at least.

[Casany]

Honestly, as long as they are following the rules for their respective roles and make an effort to play their character, who cares if they didn't get the role through whitelist? considering they sorta collectively manage an entire team + the server and community as a whole i'd personally say that a few priviliges and a thank you for their work is not unwarranted.

And for Head developer specifically how do you expect him to make/oversee changes to a role like predator if he isn't able to playtest it himself? in a populated server at least.

Yeah but why do we have to go through a strenuous process whilst the devs get to pass it over. And just as well there are plenty of devs who have predator, and devs can run test servers to test stuff, AND they have direct access to pred code. Why should they just get to have predator and basically abuse it by forcing pred rounds whilst we can’t?

[Mvp777]

Yeah but why do we have to go through a strenuous process whilst the devs get to pass it over. And just as well there are plenty of devs who have predator, and devs can run test servers to test stuff, AND they have direct access to pred code. Why should they just get to have predator and basically abuse it by forcing pred rounds whilst we can’t?

Unless i'm extremely mistaken developers don't get automatic access to being predator. There's a difference between testing how something would work on an empty server than actually play testing it on the server. Unless i'm also mistaken you aren't responsible for actively doing forum and developer work and overseeing management of the entire dev team and development process. It's a matter of fact that the Heads do plenty of thankless work, getting access(with all the rules and restrictions) of a white list seems like a simple trade off for a heavy and likely stressful workload that's also entirely volunteer. None of us, from the Mentors to Hosts are getting paid a single cent for this.

[spartanbobby]

Literally couldn't care unless they're running around with a flamer while wearing a dress.

[Chaznoodles]

Seeing as preds are already cancer, this makes no difference.

[Blade2000Br]

I mean, the Heads are trusted to not abuse their own rules that they wrote.

Spooky is also head dev, he's testing the preds. Maybe he have plans for it (cheer Pred players) or he's maybe tweaking something. It's not like he got it and will run around blowing stuff up for the hell of it.

[Mvp777]

As a side note i noticed last round that Spooky was NOT an elder predator, just a regular predator.

[Casany]

I mean, the Heads are trusted to not abuse their own rules that they wrote.

Spooky is also head dev, he's testing the preds. Maybe he have plans for it (cheer Pred players) or he's maybe tweaking something. It's not like he got it and will run around blowing stuff up for the hell of it.

Well we think he won’t, but there are a multitude of staff members in high positions who have done that exact thing (TR, Abbi, etc) so my trust isn’t exactly all there

[Blade2000Br]

Well we think he won’t, but there are a multitude of staff members in high positions who have done that exact thing (TR, Abbi, etc) so my trust isn’t exactly all there

Yeah that's true, but they got kicked out. I trust our current head staff won't abuse their powers.

I think hardly any of then will use the whitelists if not to check something.

[Avalanchee]

If he understands the lore, Code of Honor and doesn't act like a dick.
I am fine with it.

[Butlerblock]

It's not like he got it and will run around blowing stuff up for the hell of it.

This sounds exactly like something spooky would do

[GenericUsername]

Yea, seen an elder pred around in two or three recent rounds. I don't think staff should ignore the whitelist procedure at all.

[BobatNight]

It makes sense to make a whitelist like everyone else has, I understand Devs contribute to the server but I don't think it justifies special treatment for whitelisted roles.