Why are councils disliked?

[Sleepy Retard]

I don't like councils for two reasons.

The first is that they tend to create self policing circlejerks. I don't think this has happened (yet), but I'd put money down on it happening within the next year.

The second is that ultimately, it doesn't matter. Admins and moderators make the rules.

Moderators and admins do not step onto our councils, if one of the whitelist gets ahelped, it has to be dealt through us, not them.

[MattAtlas]

I don't like councils for two reasons.

The first is that they tend to create self policing circlejerks. I don't think this has happened (yet), but I'd put money down on it happening within the next year.

but if we pass our complaint resolutions and application decisions by emerald how are we gonna create a self policing circlejerk

[Boersgard]

This came up in a thread I made.

Why are councils disliked so strongly by some people? I was not aware that that was a thing.

It's pretty easy to guess/figure out: They're insular cliques that are difficult for people to break into and devolve into shitty infighting/drama/politics between people bickering and hating each other for shitty reasons and/or create metafriend groups where preferential treatment is given to those in the group.

It always seems to happen to any sort of role/group that's designed to prevent fresh blood getting into it regularly. I don't think it's possible to even avoid it, and I'm not sure how you can fix it besides getting rid of the whitelists entirely and just putting the roles on a play timer.

I'd furthermore like to add that I've never seen these restrictions actually encourage RP to any serious degree. Sure, you have to write a book to get into xyz whitelist; doesn't make much actual difference in-game. You still get people who barely roleplay, you still get people arguing so and so doesn't roleplay properly, you still get people roleplaying properly quite well. In other words, the only thing I've seen these kinds of whitelists accomplish is creating groups of people who can brag that they're a step above and better than the proles.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

It's pretty easy to guess/figure out: They're insular cliques that are difficult for people to break into and devolve into shitty infighting/drama/politics between people bickering and hating each other for shitty reasons and/or create metafriend groups where preferential treatment is given to those in the group.

It always seems to happen to any sort of role/group that's designed to prevent fresh blood getting into it regularly. I don't think it's possible to even avoid it, and I'm not sure how you can fix it besides getting rid of the whitelists entirely and just putting the roles on a play timer.

I'd furthermore like to add that I've never seen these restrictions actually encourage RP to any serious degree. Sure, you have to write a book to get into xyz whitelist; doesn't make much actual difference in-game. You still get people who barely roleplay, you still get people arguing so and so doesn't roleplay properly, you still get people roleplaying properly quite well. In other words, the only thing I've seen these kinds of whitelists accomplish is creating groups of people who can brag that they're a step above and better than the proles.

This guy is a wise poster, and others should listen to him.Hes right, its easy to see why and how, its harder to not see it..

This system stinks, there is a way to avoid it, im going to show you all how very shortly.

[spookydonut]

This system stinks, there is a way to avoid it, im going to show you all how very shortly.

Do you mean this? https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/ ... nterested/

[Build_R_]

Is there any posts that I can read that fully explain who's on the councils, the duties of the councils and any other info?

[Sulaboy]

Is there any posts that I can read that fully explain who's on the councils, the duties of the councils and any other info?

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There is a list of current council members.

They work with developers to get bugs fixed or features added to their whitelist. They also vote on every application for their whitelist. The council takes a vote after discussion.