Player Complaint, Alex Olaf

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 06:09

Your Byond Key:AVagrant

Your Character Name: Matthias Greene

Accused Byond Key(if known): None

Character Name: Alex Olaf

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 3/3/018 5:33 AM EST

What rule(s) were broken: SOP, 1: Don't Be a Dick, O.2: Follow roleplay guidlines, especially since we're trying to cut down on prebriefing mess.

Description of the incident:While in briefing, Evelyn Phillips set off an incendiary grenade. CMP Axel Olaf then arrested me after I started punching Evelyn, after being lit on fire and nearly killed, then did not tell me what I was charged for until I complained to command and gave me a sentence longer than the person who purposefully set off a fire grenade in briefing. Mind you, it's hard to not be compliant when you're stuffed in a cell cuffed. I was very compliant waiting to listen to the reasons I was cuffed and brigged.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): https://imgur.com/a/FNj7F Imgur doesn't want to seem to upload all of my screens, so I can provide all of them on another platform if need be.

How you would punish the accused: CMP Ban, honestly. Such a mismanagement of rules and RP screams someone who shouldn't be allowed to control a vital part of shipside order.

frozentsbgg · Post by **frozentsbgg** » 03 Mar 2018, 06:21

Hi AVagrant,
I'm getting a serious kick out of the fact you sent this report, while I'm CMP and while your Brigged again for disrespecting a superior officer.

To confirm, your squadmate accidentally set off an incendiary grenade, and you then proceeded to punch Evelyn Phillips, even after the flames were extinguished.Both Evelyn and yourself we're immediately arrested. You were not told you're sentenced immediately, do to the fact you spent the whole time being dragged to the brig screaming at both myself, and Evelyn.

Once we arrived at the brig, after talking to Evelyn, we gave her a serious warning and due to it being her first accidental weapons violation on record, we released her with only this stern warning.
Your decision to assault Evelyn was the reason we gave you such a high sentence. I held off from "reading him his sentence", while I was dealing with his clothing and items and trying to help the other MP's charge (or in this case), not charge Evelyn.

If you'd done more than just swear at me, and say "your mother should have swallowed you", I probably would have felt the need to Roleplay, and entertain you, for your stay in the brig.

Thanks,

Frozentsbgg/
Alex Olaf.

It's the current round, I'll post logs in a bit.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 06:34

You waited plenty longer than removing my items to read my my charges, which were flimsy at best.

Arrested again for leaving prison while the CMP wouldn't open the door out of brig for me you mean...from a mod with almost as many posts as me who joined a year after me.

Then you proceeded to taze another MP and not me. There's no RP to this. Discharges and FF incidents aren't treated lightly. So someone who get's nearly killed by fire punches the idiot who sets off the grenade you then arrest them for thirty minutes?

Then after the second arrest I'm waiting at hanger on the ship and you feel the need to order me around and arrest me for what reason?

frozentsbgg · Post by **frozentsbgg** » 03 Mar 2018, 06:49

AVagrant wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 06:34
Arrested again for leaving prison while the CMP wouldn't open the door out of brig for me you mean...from a mod with almost as many posts as me who joined a year after me.

Then you proceeded to taze another MP and not me. There's no RP to this. Discharges and FF incidents aren't treated lightly. So someone who gets' nearly killed by fire punches the idiot who sets off the grenade you then arrest them for thirty minutes?

You were arrested for continued disrespect, I didn't plan on tasing you till you decided to leave the brig.
Oh, and I tazed the other MP by accident, my taser bolt went through you.

I also don't think you can use my Post Count on the forums, as a judge of my knowledge of marine law. Especially when you're yelling at me for not following "Standard Operating Procedures"

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 06:54

frozentsbgg wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 06:49
You were arrested for continued disrespect, I didn't plan on tasing you till you decided to leave the brig.
Oh, and I tazed the other MP by accident, my taser bolt went through you.

I also don't think you can use my Post Count on the forums, as a judge of my knowledge of marine law. Especially when you're yelling at me for not following "Standard Operating Procedures"

I will yell at you for not following SOP when especially not following SOP! How is leaving brig grounds for another arrest? I served my time and was not made aware of another arrest. You just tazed once I left.

Edit: and to something I didn't address, swearing at you is RP, especially when you arrest someone half burnt to death for punching the idiot who burned them.

Blade2000Br · Post by **Blade2000Br** » 03 Mar 2018, 07:24

As a person that knows Marine law directly, I don't see any breach in law procedure conducted by Frozen here.

You have been arrested and added longer sentences for assault and continuous disrespect. Any MP/CMP can just add more time to your current time for each count of disrespect, that stacks.

The only real complaint valid was Frozen not informing your charges, though that can be said once you are secured and he got time for that.

All in all, this seems like a rather invalid complaint on frozen, as he followed proper procedure, asude from informing charges.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 07:31

Would you count assault as punching someone who set off an incendiary grenade in briefing that nearly killed you? Then once you are released leaving brig and being arrested again without any procedure, such as asking me submit? Then once I'm out again being arrested for not listening at the hanger only for xenos to land when I'm still in brig? In an hour and a half Ice colony round I never once saw ground side

There was more than one arrest, none of the following SOP and RP guidelines for someone who claimed they didn't feel the need to "RP with me."

Blade2000Br · Post by **Blade2000Br** » 03 Mar 2018, 07:37

Well, we will see theh logs after round end.

Oh yeah, you just broke a server rule by posting this thread before round end. This doesn't look good at all.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 07:48

Oh? Considering there is actually no rules about that in the general rules or the forum subsection rules?

What rules about the round being over?

Edit: Frozen also proceeded to taunt me IG with LOOC once I submitted the report.

NethIafins · Post by **NethIafins** » 03 Mar 2018, 08:17

Rule 9. No Metagaming or Metacommunication Acting upon knowledge your character does not have or communicating information about the current round, including but not limited to private discussions, chat rooms, and/or voice chats during the game. If you want to talk to other CM players about CM or just in general, we have an official Discord, but keep the discussion about past rounds and never about the current one.

Blade2000Br · Post by **Blade2000Br** » 03 Mar 2018, 08:17

AVagrant wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 07:48
Oh? Considering there is actually no rules about that in the general rules or the forum subsection rules?

What rules about the round being over?

Edit: Frozen also proceeded to taunt me IG with LOOC once I submitted the report.

IC in OOC....

Please, refrain from posting any further from the current round.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 08:28

BladeBr wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 08:17
IC in OOC....

Please, refrain from posting any further from the current round.

Considering the rules never mention forum posts and it's not been "The current round" for forty (forty eight as of this edit) minutes now I don't think you know what you're talking about.
https://imgur.com/a/cWRlB

If it was still the same round I would be a ghost in the body of my character, the bravo sniper spec who never made it groundside and who got captured in brig then dragged to the shuttle by brig when the xeno's crash landed.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 03 Mar 2018, 08:41

Rule 0.1 Rules function AS INTENDED. Just because you bend the wording of a rule into a pretzel and don't break the specific RAW (Rule As Written) does not mean you didn't break the RAI (Rule As Intended). Rules can be subject to interpretation and if a staff member that is a Mod or above believes you broke a rule as it is INTENDED to function, you can expect the same consequences. The decision of the staff at the time is LAW. If you have an issue with it, appeal the ban or create a discussion topic in general.

Posting about a current round that is going on, Is still ic in ooc as your posting about actions that have occurred during the round.

This is why ahelp is in the game so you can report current round issues with staff and won't cause problems

xywenx00 · Post by **xywenx00** » 03 Mar 2018, 08:47

Well, what the CMP Olaf broke was arrest procedure as stated in marine law. wiki/Marine_Law#Arrest_Procedures
Other than that nothing else.

frozentsbgg · Post by **frozentsbgg** » 03 Mar 2018, 08:56

xywenx00 wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 08:47
Well, what the CMP Olaf broke was arrest procedure as stated in marine law. wiki/Marine_Law#Arrest_Procedures
Other than that nothing else.

My Bad, I made a mistake with that, Should have read him his charges as soon as he was restrained
[Resolved in Achat]

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 03 Mar 2018, 10:12

The only viable complaint is that he read your charges slightly later than he should have. Which is an incredibly minor issue.

This really isn't a report, this is you publicly venting, your request to have him CMP banned is ridiculous.

Show some integrity. If you get salty, take a break.

Physician, heal thyself.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 16:54

Fell asleep, woke up again.

Several breaks of arrest procedure that lean more towards willful actions rather than orgetfulness?

Didn't ask me to submit as I was leaving brig and rather decided to just wordlessly tase me again?

And I did Ahelp it, which went nowhere.

Tharinoma · Post by **Tharinoma** » 03 Mar 2018, 18:09

I checked the logs.

-This was posted before round end, which makes it IC in OOC. You shouldn't share any information about an ongoing round anywhere besides in game, in the proper channels.

-Mathias Greene was a major dick, extremely hostile with MPs until the end of the reported incident. Nowhere near "very compliant waiting to listen to the reasons I was cuffed and brigged".

-The CMP is not the one that arrested Mathias Greene in the first place. He was stunned by another MP, and while some clusterfucking was probably happening, multiple people kept disarming him until the CMP eventually cuffed him.

-The CMP gave Mathias Greene his charges four minutes after he asked for them, which was after he was brigged. By ask, I mean the following :

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-Official charges were : SAY: Alex Olaf/Frozentsbgg : You have been arrested For Assult, Hooliganism, and Disrespect of a Superior officer.

-Second arrest :

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-I found no indication whatsoever of the CMP breaking roleplay guidelines or being a dick.

-There is alot of salt in this thread. Lets all stay respectful.

Headmins will investigate and process this report Soon(tm).

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 19:08

Mind you, those first logs weren't just towards the CMP. They were also towards the bravo engineer who set off the grenade.

The frustration from being lit on fire in briefing, carted off and given a higher sentence than someone who set of an incendiary grenade in briefing which led to multiple marines being lit on fire, then once my time was served being arrested again after what I can only assume is some sort of bullshit power move on Frozen's part is a little much.

I did Ahelp while it went on and nothing came of it. Frozen said [handled in AChat] well I got no response from that. I still was arrested for poor reasons three times.

And you also left out the reason there were multiple taser shots in that second log, someone opened the brig to hanger door and I walked out. That's all. There was no arrest, there wasn't a prison break. I was fully geared and without charges.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 03 Mar 2018, 19:41

You were arrested the second time for being disrespectful to a superior officer. That isnt against the rules, thats actually following marine law. Using offensive names, disobeying orders, or being directly disrespectful to someone of a higher rank or position. Each offense stacks. Punishment time is per offense. That is the direct law in the Marine law book.

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Ive highlighed the parts that got you arrested the second time.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 19:44

Except again, there was no indication an arrest was being made. As I walked out of brig suddenly taser shots started going off.

If you're going to arrest someone you know, actually do it and don't pull some bullshit power move.

frozentsbgg · Post by **frozentsbgg** » 03 Mar 2018, 22:10

AVagrant wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 19:44
Except again, there was no indication an arrest was being made. As I walked out of brig suddenly taser shots started going off.

If you're going to arrest someone you know, actually do it and don't pull some bullshit power move.

I planned to arrest you for disrespect, I'd ordered the MP's to not open the doors to let you leave. Then the CO walked in and you decided to run off.

AVagrant · Post by **AVagrant** » 03 Mar 2018, 22:20

frozentsbgg wrote: ↑
03 Mar 2018, 22:10
I planned to arrest you for disrespect, I'd ordered the MP's to not open the doors to let you leave. Then the CO walked in and you decided to run off.

Run off being walking out like a free man. If you're going to arrest someone, do it.

Tharinoma · Post by **Tharinoma** » 04 Mar 2018, 10:37

I'm pretty sure we have all the information we need now, there is no need to argue here. Lets just wait for the seniors to review this.

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 06 Mar 2018, 21:48

First off, if you're going to post a report because you can't wait until the end of the round, keep the ongoings of the round until after it ends. Secondly, it's hard to really want to work with ya when you're being salty about something, backed up by the fact you posted and updated it during the round. If you really want to be taken seriously, you need to be composed during your report.

We'll talk to Frozen about this, but otherwise, the case is resolved.

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