Staff Report: Slc97

[Symbiosis]

Your Byond Key: Symbiosis

Your Character Name: Cliff "Chubs" Campbell

Their Byond key: SLC97

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): Wednesday March 11th, 6pm.

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: Remain Professional and Enforcement of the Rules (Protocol) was not followed.

Description of the incident: I was the Commander of the round in question, Prison Station. I issued orders sending scouting parties out west and informed the XO that I was going planetside to lead the ground operation while he led the Almayer side. I did not drop on first drop which was approximately 12:28 or later. Upon 2nd drop I went down and hooked up with Bravo Squad to support Delta... which had ran into contacts and was pushing them. The reason for the "success" was two-fold. The Marines were good at following orders, orders that put each squad in close proximity to one another to reinforce them upon contacts and proper requisition requests.

Now, at this point, this isn't "metarushing" anymore than the last weeks+ was and considering that some Big Red rounds had ended at 12:40, this isn't exactly unusual.

At the 13:00 mark the Marines were still fighting the Xenos when I was returning Almayer side and the conversation with Slc97 began. To argue further against the meta rush claim, I've always played my CO as a "Lead from the Front" CO.

I'm sure that the conversation with Slc will be pulled from the logs, which is fine.

Now, the 2nd part is the shit-stirring on Forums/Discord where I was accused of shit-stirring.

The shit-stirring is tied to recent pictures where I used humor to express my displeasure on a recent staff removal. I never ONCE suggested attacking anyone, but seeing as the memes I posted were viewed negatively and other assholes ACTUALLY were offensive towards the player involved with the removal, I was told by Apop that further jokes on the topic of Feminism would result in removal from the community. So thusly, I stopped. A bit unfortunate that I couldn't target a group that I disagree with under the pretense of humor, but so be it.

Later I was warned for the Staff Report on Heckenshutze for a comment he made about white people. I get it, it was "low-level" racism. But I'm a firm believer that if you insert "white" not a comment and if it would sound bad if you inserted "Black/etc" then you're flirting with racism. I agree, it's hard to take a person seriously when they shitpost memes about feminism, but the fact of the matter is I still believe racism of any type should at least be shut down rather than the staff report shut down. Regardless, I know the score, I'm outspoken in my beliefs which at this time don't align with the current climate of CM. That's fine, I'll keep to myself regarding those beliefs - or at least talk about them in places that don't draw ire.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Proof of insult post-ban, could've left it at me going SSD but instead decided to get a final jab in -https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/af0cdd9d ... c0-png.jpg
Apophis telling me not to joke about feminism any further - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /image.png
Slc97 "shaming me" again in Discord a different time without cause saying I'm playing the victim - (three screenshots)
1. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /image.png
2. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /image.png
3. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /image.png
Proof of how the Marines followed Xenos: https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/65dd98ec ... 7a-png.jpg
Slc97 further encouraging a player report in dsay for meta rushing - https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/67354e36 ... 94-png.jpg
Heckenshutze who made a comment about "White People" spreading misinformation - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... nknown.png and https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/7774c99f ... 2a-png.jpg


How you would punish the accused: Look, I know the score. I'm not playing a martyr here, but for Christ sake, if you're going to try to ban me, at least do it for something I do that's against the rules. Or be upfront about WHY you're banning me, rather than saying I meta rushed. There's no way this report will result in Slc's removal (though frankly, it should at least result in an admission of being wrong)... but if you want to ban someone for "stirring shit" at least do it for an actual rule break, as I didn't break any. Don't then insult the player using admin tools, encourage player reports, and spread misinformation.

[slc97]

... When I said we weren't reading brain waves, it's because you were SSD because ICly, being SSD is braindead.

Those discord posts are from months ago when you were removed from staff. I told you that you should be ashamed of yourself because instead of offering constructive criticism about an update you didn't like to the dev staff, who were your teammates, you went into public channels and shat all over them. I stand by having said that months ago and I would say it again now of any staff member who behaved that way.

Yes, I told players they were welcome to make a player report because there were people being salty in dsay asking if the commander got banned and if his whitelist was going to be removed. I also never confirmed your ban to people because I have some tact, but if you do wanna go ahead and nitpick my comments in dsay, then sure you can claim I was encouraging a player report by informing people of their options to get action for something they didn't like.

Finally, instead of acting as a commander, you geared up as basically a PFC ready to kill an unknown enemy about 30 minutes into the round. When I logged in, the first thing I heard in msay was a complaint about you and then how the round was a shitshow only 40 minutes in. If you wanted to go fight on the frontlines on the second drop, which must have been only minutes after the first given when I logged in and when you say first deployment was, then play standard or a squad role, not commander. To steal from Shutze, you're not William Wallace leading the charge immediately into the round. This and your recent behavior in the community led to this report. I had the support of every staff member in msay at the time including ones who said you're their friend. If you think I enjoyed banning you, you're dead wrong. I really liked you when you first became staff, but my job is to enforce our rules and moderate the community above all else, and in the last week, you've tried at every turn to disrupt the community.

I've never apologized for doing my job, and I don't plan to start now.

[Clutch]

I was present this entire round and played alongside Chubs as a CO.

Chubs clearly ordered squads to stick at the FOB, Sweep the colony for survivors and search for hostiles.
They did.

After Delta and Bravo found a Hivelord making structures just West of the library we continued to track him and the weeds down to Security.
At this point we got into full combat with the Xeno's and started fighting our way to the Hive.

There was NO metarush, we had Contacts the Entire WAY.
This is just plain stupid, The fact that when Deadchat was trying to explain what happened to SLC he continued to ignore us and eventually just shut down Dchat because his Ban was being questioned.

This is abuse of power plain and clear.

[Nightwolf901]

I can support on the proof of how marines got to the hive Atleast in delta's eyes. John had spotted a Hivelord and saw it building and we followed along it destroying the walls. Finding a few xenos along the way as well we found a Ravager and crusher and then hunters also to add to the fact as it happened one of the members of delta was pounced and slashed as we went along. It was at that moment when All of the squads had met up and started an assault. Everyone followed their orders which had conducted the shoot out. He didn't drop on first drop either, and I don't really support on what Slc said in the dchat even if players were salty. Everyone is going to salt no matter what if its something small or something big or something simple. I love Slc and hes a really cool guy and chill, but getting an encouragement to report Chubs for being a good commander in the way he does orders shouldn't need that. The other stuff I know nothing about so I am staying out of that.

Like Chubs said and I hope nothing happens with Slc. He's a good admin but this was just not the best i've seen.

[Symbiosis]

... When I said we weren't reading brain waves, it's because you were SSD because ICly, being SSD is braindead.

Those discord posts are from months ago when you were removed from staff. I told you that you should be ashamed of yourself because instead of offering constructive criticism about an update you didn't like to the dev staff, who were your teammates, you went into public channels and shat all over them. I stand by having said that months ago and I would say it again now of any staff member who behaved that way.

Yes, I told players they were welcome to make a player report because there were people being salty in dsay asking if the commander got banned and if his whitelist was going to be removed. I also never confirmed your ban to people because I have some tact, but if you do wanna go ahead and nitpick my comments in dsay, then sure you can claim I was encouraging a player report by informing people of their options to get action for something they didn't like.

Finally, instead of acting as a commander, you geared up as basically a PFC ready to kill an unknown enemy about 30 minutes into the round. When I logged in, the first thing I heard in msay was a complaint about you and then how the round was a shitshow only 40 minutes in. If you wanted to go fight on the frontlines on the second drop, which must have been only minutes after the first given when I logged in and when you say first deployment was, then play standard or a squad role, not commander. To steal from Shutze, you're not William Wallace leading the charge immediately into the round. This and your recent behavior in the community led to this report. I had the support of every staff member in msay at the time including ones who said you're their friend. If you think I enjoyed banning you, you're dead wrong. I really liked you when you first became staff, but my job is to enforce our rules and moderate the community above all else, and in the last week, you've tried at every turn to disrupt the community.

I've never apologized for doing my job, and I don't plan to start now.

You'll not find any posts where I shit on anyone or insulted them directly.

Spoke against their ideas, yes. I am generally quite careful on what I type, Slc. I take plenty of screenshots and kept all of them, including the slack and staff discussion screenshots. If you believe that's pertinent to this discussion I'll post them.

Gearing up as a CO is NOT against the rules. You did not enforce the rules as I left an XO in charge and the CO rules have never prevented what I did. My recent report on Heckenshutze and the Feminism Memes are entirely unrelated to gameplay.

[RadiantFlash]

I was present this entire round and played alongside Chubs as a CO.

Chubs clearly ordered squads to stick at the FOB, Sweep the colony for survivors and search for hostiles.
They did.

After Delta and Bravo found a Hivelord making structures just West of the library we continued to track him and the weeds down to Security.
At this point we got into full combat with the Xeno's and started fighting our way to the Hive.

There was NO metarush, we had Contacts the Entire WAY.
This is just plain stupid, The fact that when Deadchat was trying to explain what happened to SLC he continued to ignore us and eventually just shut down Dchat because his Ban was being questioned.

This is abuse of power plain and clear.

I was also present the entire round, playing as Delta's specialist. We didn't follow contacts the whole way there. We encountered a hivelord once making walls, before we lost him because of said walls and followed our orders to proceed to south high security.
Then, Delta went against orders from the LT, the SL, and myself, and charged further into the VIP cell block, meeting xenos there. There was zero 'tracking' being done, because weeds were going in all directions, and delta just didn't want to sit still. Delta then refused to head back to where they were supposed to be, until the CO, and alpha met up with them, and pushed the assault, at which point delta squad was officially ordered to move forwards.

[Feweh]

I've been playing under an alternate account to avoid drama due to recent events. I was present and have been for the last few days in-game and out of game.
There was no meta-rush, rather a very robust strategy and good coordination.

Needless to say SLC, you've been honestly out of fucking control since my removal.. which is logical given the void now and lack of authority.
Although your Senior should be present and aware enough of whats going on to stop this, they clearly haven't yet.

You're greatly over-stepping your bounds as an Admin and the level of authority you're attempting to drop onto the community does not warrant your position.
No other Admin or staff member has done or acted the way you have in the last week, let alone said the things you've said to the community.

No one on the staff team wants to put you in your place, but they need to start or at the very least monitor you.
The way you've been acting in-game, on discord and on the forums lately is extremely out of your authority and permissions.


I understand I'm gone and now you're flexing for advancement, but you're simply out of control right now and this isn't even isolated to just this report.
It's your entire behavior within the CM Community as of late.

Calm down.

[Gabe]

I'm going to summarise this as quickly as possible, my tea's getting cold.

Chubbs is one of the best COs in my opinion. Leading from the front as a CO is hard to do, I view most who do it as PFCs who were white-listed for their fetish revolver. Chubbs is different in this regard, however. He will head planet-side once squads report heavy resistance from acid dripping dinosaurs, which is a reasonable thing to do (especially when going by the rules for CO in this situation).

I was part of Delta when this all went down, and I can say that this incident was no different to his usual leading style. Whilst a 2D atmos sim is hardly comparable to real life, morale works much the same. Watching your officers lead from the front and see success (Chubbs in this instance killed the queen, as far as I am aware) raises the morale of the marines around him, thus making it a solid strategy. This effect is universal - high RP players who think out every way their character would act, or low RP who do the bare minimum. If a situation seems unwinnable, they will lose the will to fight. I, personally, was encouraged to continue by seeing Chubbs (as well as my SL, but that isn't relevant) charge into the fray.

In conclusion - this is the player's usual leadership style, they are highly regarded. This punishment to me seems like the admin in question using their power to crack down on strategies they dislike, as Feweh noted, in absence of consequences.

[[REDACTED]]

I too was also present this round (Charlie Pfc). As stated by other people Chubs wasn’t on the first drop, he came on the second drop. The marines was doing great, everyone was following orders and as he stated he left the XO in charge of the ship. To even say he was metarushing is idiotic because he did no such thing. I’ve played with Chubs before he was always the commander that would “Fight with his men”. All in all Chubs is an excellent commander eleven killing the queen which raised morale for everyone.

[Imperator_Titan]

I'm going to drop my two pieces here. I saw the entire round unfold from the very start. The Commander in question tried his own new and reasonable strategy, which can be found here.

https://image.prntscr.com/image/D6I1ohQ ... aGueLQ.png

There was indeed a squad working on the FOB, contrary to the belief of the commander ordering all squads immediately to the west. Now, what happened afterwards was that while Delta was starting their scouting through engineering, they encountered a hivelord walling them off. This same hivelord was then followed by the following Delta squad members until it had eventually reached xenomorph territory. From then on, Delta marines encountered heavy resistance and the commander sent over the marines who weren't doing anything to assist since the hive had been found due to a hivelord.

There is also no rule regarding the commander heading down alongside his marines on the first drop to see the situation for himself, leaving the XO in command. Not to mention that he didn't drop on the first drop itself but on the second drop.

It's perfectly reasonable to send over your marines to destroy the hive once it's found, wouldn't you invest your strength in doing the exact same instead of sending one squad into a known enemy position?

I think the problem here is that the staff have Symbiosis in mind as a salty player and dismiss any and all of his claims as such, just being another offspring of his salt, regardless of his claims are valid or not. He could probably have a perfect report of power abuse but then it'd get shut down because staff see Symbiosis as the salty bitch who left staff and spends his time ruining rounds and salting on discord. It deeply annoys me so. Regardless of his past, we should take his claims and weigh them equally. A report made by any other player would be investigated thoroughly but since it's Symbiosis making it, nobody bats an eye. It has gotten to a point where everyone onboard the staff team singles him out and instead of trying to prove his claims wrong, they attack him personally like SLC in those pictures.

I believe that SLC has overstepped his bounds one too many times when it comes to Symbiosis, take this from a staff member whom has been in close proximity with SLC and just about all of the staff. His comments on discord and his general reaction to Symbiosis make me think that so, as shown in the evidence provided by Symbiosis. It feels like SLC is trying to take over feweh's old position as manager but what he doesn't realize is that Feweh made generally good arguments most of the time and didn't instantly resort to "You're just salty" like he did.

[Jakkkk]

I was present during this round as my synthetic, Mortimer, and I can attest to the fact that Symbiosis did not metarush.

Dealing with this purely from my in game perspective, and disregarding all that I know of Symb's personality, I can strongly say that this was not a metarush, and that SLC acted either out of pure disdain for Symb or out of ignorance of the situation. I attest to the fact that Symbiosis did not rush with the first drop, as I stood next to him waiting for the Alamo to come up. After this, I continued my shipside duties as an engineer and doctor, hearing blurts of information over command comms on the situation unfolding. I do remember hearing that Delta had a contact and was hunting them down, and then that led them to the full frontlines. I personally believe that this was a bad choice of a ban, and the most that should've happened to Symb was getting killed fighting with the marines, not a ban.

[Rahlzel]

I was present and have been for the last few days in-game and out of game.

You say you were present but didn't give your side about what happened. You just immediately went for SLC. So what happened?

[Feweh]

You say you were present but didn't give your side about what happened. You just immediately went for SLC. So what happened?

edit: Lost this line during my initial post among edits.


There was no meta-rush, rather just a really robust strategy and coordination.

[spartanbobby]

As a delta standard during the round, This is what I saw.
The top map is a map I made of the road delta squad members took, I've tried to add contacts and odd things we found on the road we took.
The bottom map is a map made by the commander for briefing something that isn't done often but I remember being allowed.

[VitorThauma]

I was present during this round. The commander had in fact waited for the second drop, that's true. All squads were ordered to scout into the xeno hive after said contacts, which lead to the xenos losing ground.

I had to spawn larvas and a ravenger with the purpose of balancing the round, which we are allowed to do by the way. The CO was in the hive, with all 4 squads 40 - 50 minutes into the round, that's really something we don't want. It's too soon and I'm pretty sure everyone would complain if it was instead a xeno push. If there hadn't been any admin intervention, the round could have ended very soon. I do think that the ban was a bit too harsh, but that's up to the staff member.

[GenericUsername]

Playing as a marine on charlie squad, we did follow the plan and scouted. After alpha ran into a group of T3s and T2s near High Security, basically where the charlie line on the map above ends, we grouped with them and slowly moved. We eventually found delta, who was also engaged in battle. I think we ended up on Civ residences, where the xenos had estabilished their hive. After we cleared it, the whole UPP boarding situation happened and the marines scattered, not knowing what to do.
Basically, I think it was not a rush, but more of a response to the amount of T3s and T2s that started attacking us near where our squads would meet. Otherwise, it was a very organized plan, and it would have been much more effective hadn't the whole UPP incident confused everyone

[apophis775]

I was investigating this, but there seems to be a problem.

As many people know, we get occasional "desync" issues with notes and the server (I actually restarted the server before investigating this). It appears, that this results in missing logs as well. We're investigating how this exactly happens to prevent it in the future. We confirmed this happened, as it's not isolated, and there are holes in the logs before it as well. In the past 48 hours, there are several hours of logs missings, from around the start of the Note Desync issue.

For now, since we can't perform a proper investigation besides talking with people directly, and there is MORE than enough bias on both sides floating about, I am going to do the following:

1. I am going to lift the 7-day ban.
2. Anything in notes will be removed about this incident.
3. We'll rethink our procedures/policies/mechanics on stopping meta-rushing and try to more clearly define what is and is not rushing.


Everyone is required to calm the fuck down and BREATH.


Resolved.